SuperMikey Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Huge actions to get this page removed from Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Controversial-Humor-Dead-Baby-Jokes/422912285264#!/pages/Controversial-Humor-Dead-Baby-Jokes/422912285264 What's your opinion on this? Stay or go? Personally I think it'd be a huge violation of freedom of speech if the page was taken down, especially as all the 'crusaders' who are trying to get it closed are sending death threats to people on the page and then taking the moral high ground because they haven't put up a joke. Obviously the jokes are tasteless and could be hurtful to certain people, but so could any joke. Is this an indicator of the morally outraged society that we live in nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 It's just sad and pathetic if you ask me, as is facebook and all those who use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 It's just sad and pathetic if you ask me, as is facebook and all those who use it. The joke page or the campaign against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 The joke page or the campaign against it? Both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleoldladysaint Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 How anyone can find a 'joke' about dead babies funny is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 People like different things at different ages. Im not sure why the sudden big outrage. I used to wear a denim cut off with a big swastika on the back (go me dune). At 18 my group of friends and I used to find that kind of baby joke funny. Now with two kids and a couple of miscarriages, I dont. No biggie Its just the way life is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Personally I think it'd be a huge violation of freedom of speech if the page was taken down, especially as all the 'crusaders' who are trying to get it closed are sending death threats to people on the page and then taking the moral high ground because they haven't put up a joke. Obviously the jokes are tasteless and could be hurtful to certain people, but so could any joke. Is this an indicator of the morally outraged society that we live in nowadays? Freedom of speech doesn't exist on facebook or any other privately owned domain. I couldn't care less anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Freedom of speech doesn't exist on facebook or any other privately owned domain. I couldn't care less anyway. This. As far as I'm concerned, the moment you log on to facebook or any other openly available social network, you should understand the nature of it. If you dont like what gets posted log off and dont use it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 People like different things at different ages. Im not sure why the sudden big outrage. I used to wear a denim cut off with a big swastika on the back (go me dune). At 18 my group of friends and I used to find that kind of baby joke funny. Now with two kids and a couple of miscarriages, I dont. No biggie Its just the way life is. What the hell were you thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 What the hell were you thinking? Not quite as weird as it sounds. It was the late 1970s / early 80s and used to be into punk and bikes there was a lot of right wing imagery associated with that. Used to hang out down the Compton Arms / Mados in St Mary's then go for a curry and maybe to the West Indian club for a late night beer, still wearing the cutoff. They used to let us in but the Top Rank wouldnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Don't like it, but don't look at it - so doesn't really bother me. Other people should do the same....if you don't like it, ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Not quite as weird as it sounds. It was the late 1970s / early 80s and used to be into punk and bikes there was a lot of right wing imagery associated with that. Used to hang out down the Compton Arms / Mados in St Mary's then go for a curry and maybe to the West Indian club for a late night beer, still wearing the cutoff. They used to let us in but the Top Rank wouldnt Met and had a beer with Lemmy from Motorhead in Mados once whilst waiting for Animal.... anyone remember him? it was most surreal as i was a young casual back then and didnt really know/care who he was.. but Animal was most impressed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Not quite as weird as it sounds. It was the late 1970s / early 80s and used to be into punk and bikes there was a lot of right wing imagery associated with that. Used to hang out down the Compton Arms / Mados in St Mary's then go for a curry and maybe to the West Indian club for a late night beer, still wearing the cutoff. They used to let us in but the Top Rank wouldnt What a massive lack of respect that is to everyone who fought and died for freedom in the 2nd World War. I hope you didn't realise what it meant, and was just ignorant about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 What a massive lack of respect that is to everyone who fought and died for freedom in the 2nd World War. I hope you didn't realise what it meant, and was just ignorant about it. Oddly people weren't as precious then as they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 Oddly people weren't as precious then as they are now. Indeed. Bless the good old days when you could happily parade a swastika without fear of any form of condemnation for acting the tw*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 (edited) Indeed. Bless the good old days when you could happily parade a swastika without fear of any form of condemnation for acting the tw*t. Well, my mum who was bombed out of her house and school didn't mind. Nor did my dad who was on the Russian convoys. So whilst clearly Im mortified that you are upset by something which was commonplace in the 1970s, forgive me if I dont self harm in penitence. Especially as my tw atishness was over 30 years ago whilst that of some pointing the finger can be read here most days. Edited 7 August, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 August, 2012 Share Posted 7 August, 2012 (edited) ..... Edited 8 August, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 8 August, 2012 Share Posted 8 August, 2012 Huge actions to get this page removed from Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Controversial-Humor-Dead-Baby-Jokes/422912285264#!/pages/Controversial-Humor-Dead-Baby-Jokes/422912285264 What's your opinion on this? Stay or go? Personally I think it'd be a huge violation of freedom of speech if the page was taken down, especially as all the 'crusaders' who are trying to get it closed are sending death threats to people on the page and then taking the moral high ground because they haven't put up a joke. Obviously the jokes are tasteless and could be hurtful to certain people, but so could any joke. Is this an indicator of the morally outraged society that we live in nowadays? I tend to agree SuperMikey about the freedom of speech and the confused morals - the same moral confusion saw Pro-life campaigners killing doctors in US abortion clinics. It's a difficult one because campaigns like that are important. if humour transcends legal boundaries then it can't be allowed. If the law is perceived wrong, then we should work to change it. If I went to a comedy gig and heard some humour that I thought was in poor taste I'd have the benefit of looking the comedian in the eye, perhaps walking out if I felt strongly enough about it. My reaction might register with the comedian and that is the feedback loop. I might feel morally outraged but I'd also feel I'd had had 'my say'. On the anonymous, or virtually anonymous Internet, that feedback loop doesn't exist. We don't know the 'joke' teller, he may even being hiding his/her identify and it's not easy to lodge our reaction/disapproval. Campaigns like the one you describe on Facebook are the walking out of the gig in my example above. For that reason they have their place. But I'm not suggesting that Facebook should intervene (they will of course) as the two should stand in opposition to each other as they would in real life. The campaign should serve as the admonishment for the 'joke' teller and the joke teller should decide if they think it's a good idea to continue. The problem with the Internet is that somewhere in an obscure part of the planet there is a 12 year old boy sitting in his bedroom posting jokes about dead babies without the necessary emotional development to understand or care about the pain caused to the 39 year old childless woman reading the 'jokes' and crying herself to sleep. This is societal moral development in microcosm. Without the feedback loop, and the venting it provides, something would go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 8 August, 2012 Share Posted 8 August, 2012 Each to his own of course but for me there is a invisible line humour should not cross. Within certain limits even comedy about something quite as horrendous WWII is accepted because war is a innately absurd Human activity that should be ridiculed. But do we go past Dad's Army and seek to find our amusement in the massed slaughter of the concentration camps ? Will that subject ever become a ripe field for comedy ? Not for me. A while ago someone lent me a 'stand-up' DVD by some Irish comedian I'd never seen before (Boyle ?) and I sat through his act (although not much enjoying the experience in all honesty) until he started to make fun of the appalling murder of 'Baby P' - a crime that effected me deeply I should admit. Now to be fair his audience seem to fall into fits of hysterics at this, but for me it was just a sickening descent into a awful tragedy that is beyond humour. I suppose a attempt to both shock and revolt his audience is the whole point of this form of comedy, but I'd had quite enough by now and turned off. His humour reminded be somewhat of a down-market version of Quentin Tarantino's love of bloody violence - effective in front of a audience but ultimately a amoral and empty form of entertainment. I'm not in favour of imposing my sensibilities on anyone else by calling for censorship of this extreme form of humour (if 'humour' be the right word) but I do like to think that maybe at least one member of the audience went home that night and pondered on just what it was they were laughing at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 8 August, 2012 Share Posted 8 August, 2012 it's hardly a defeat for free speech, there is still a line. for me it's a failure of common sense, if u dont want to read dead baby jokes dont subscribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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