Steve De Ridder "does not cut ze mustard"

[Chez]

not sure I understand the criticism of either player. For starters wingers are notoriously hit and miss, often in the same game never mind the same season. There's only about 5 wingers in the world that are great every time. De Ridder had it pretty tough I thought, with Adkins not trusting him nearly enough. He did flatter to deceive sometimes, but he also made things happen too. He should have got 5, 6, 7 games in a row when Chaplow was injured. Unless Adkins has a change of heart I wonder what future he has at the club. But he's still young so he has time to change the managers mind.

 

That great tracking back and tackle Derry pointed out shows his raw pace. But didn't that all come from him losing it way up the pitch though?

 

As for Fraser, I thought he was outstanding last season. Defensively sound and more than willing to push forward too. Only some hit and miss crossing let him down. Very few players in the squad not immune to the odd row z ball.

 

Blimey. With all these crap players last season I wonder how we ever won all those games. Lallana and Lambert didn't win promotion on their own.

Edited 6 August, 2012 by Chez

[funkymojo44]

Hang on didn't Richardson and Fox have an insane amount of assists last season? Yes i see on wiki Frazer has 10 and Fox 11.

 

As full backs that's a very good stat.

[Barry the Badger]

Hang on didn't Richardson and Fox have an insane amount of assists last season? Yes i see on wiki Frazer has 10 and Fox 11.

 

As full backs that's a very good stat.

 

Probably, but Richardson is a dickhead apparently because he isn't Nathaniel Clyne, or something like that.

[The9]

De Ridder was always good for a rapid booking last season, he picked up a load of yellow cards for chasing back and fouling people from behind, so I'm not sure his defensive skill is the area we should really be focusing on.

 

He's not really fitted into our style of play until now, as others have said, we tend to keep the ball rather than play through the back line - Tadanari Lee also suffered with this early on, making a ton of ignored runs deep. But De Ridder is a good impact sub, like Walcott in the way you'd bring him on later to exploit tiring defences when there's a little more space. His delivery got worse during the season but we'll see if his 100mph game is more suited to a division where the tempo is generally higher. I haven't written him off yet but I don't expect him to start many.

[david in sweden]

Like with Puncheon..I think De Ridder will come good this season and be a valuable member of the squad..

 

we have to be fair to both these guys.

SDR was used constantly as a late sub. and that hardly gives anyone the chance to come on and change the face of the game,. especially if he was replacing someone who was not his style.

 

Even after JP returned.... he didn't get a regular look in.....(3 starts and 4 late sub.apps) ....primarily because the team as a unit were playing well .....and who wants to change a winning side.

 

I think that both will need to show they can perform .... or will be out the door in January.

[Hamilton Saint]

Not good enough for our squad or a good player to have as back up in The English Premier League?

 

The thread title is a statement.

 

Then you post something in the form of a question. Or is it actually an either/or question? Or is it really two questions.

 

It helps to be a bit more precise.

 

[st alex]

Generally De Ridder's crossing last season was pretty bad, he looked good at times, but failing to make much impression in the Championship, it would seem unlikely that he'd do too much in the Premiership.

 

I worry though that Adkins seems to struggle to fill this position, he was almost a replacement for Forte who was woeful. Of the wide men we have left, Puncheon, Guly and De Ridder, none of them fill me with confidence. I expect Tanadari and Rodriguez to play more of a wide role next season, but would like a true winger with pace and quality.

[david in sweden]

Generally De Ridder's crossing last season was pretty bad, he looked good at times, but failing to make much impression in the Championship, it would seem unlikely that he'd do too much in the Premiership.

 

I worry though that Adkins seems to struggle to fill this position, he was almost a replacement for Forte who was woeful. Of the wide men we have left, Puncheon, Guly and De Ridder, none of them fill me with confidence. I expect Tanadari and Rodriguez to play more of a wide role next season, but would like a true winger with pace and quality.

 

 

agreed... but it has to be said that not being regularly selected and after being on the bench 29 times last season, it's hardly fair to judge SDR (or anyone else) on the basis of 10-15 mins. in a game that's almost played out.

 

If a sub. comes on and scores, (and we had eleven who did so last season) and SDR did so 3 times then we say he did well, but it might have been their only contribution (as was Lee Holmes last gasp effort v. Watford).

 

Guly btw, was our third highest scorer last season and netted 11 times in all games, and he was the player subbed most times and did well (IMHO) for someone who wasn't on the pitch 90 mins. every game

Edited 8 August, 2012 by david in sweden

[doddisalegend]

Not a single word about the absolutely dire absence of through ball service since he has joined the club. Playing in front of Richardson must be a nightmare for him. He could be a different player with Clyne and Davis. Anybody remember the fantastic tackle versus Crystal Palace when Scannell was clean through down the left. SDR was the only player with the pace to catch him and ran thirty yards to do it. Thought not.

 

Actually I've said in prevoius topics on SDR that his team mates didn't want to pass to him and never played the right sort of balls for him when they did. Half the time last season bring on SDR was like going down to 10 men instead of playing balls in so that SDR could run at tired defenders in the last 10-15 minutes of a game we'd resort to lumping it at Lambert.....Now having said that SDRs crossing is pretty dire.

[david in sweden]

Actually I've said in prevoius topics on SDR that his team mates didn't want to pass to him and never played the right sort of balls for him when they did. Half the time last season bring on SDR was like going down to 10 men instead of playing balls in so that SDR could run at tired defenders in the last 10-15 minutes of a game we'd resort to lumping it at Lambert.....Now having said that SDRs crossing is pretty dire.

 

 

of course he's not alone with that problem, but if he 's expecting to play on the wing... he'll need to smarten up a bit.