Steve De Ridder "does not cut ze mustard"

[Jonnyboy]

Not good enough for our squad or a good player to have as back up in The English Premier League?

[beatlesaint]

Not good enough for our squad or a good player to have as back up in The English Premier League?

 

ok.

[Thedelldays]

Not good enough for our squad or a good player to have as back up in The English Premier League?

 

Thanks for sharing

[S-Clarke]

He's done my head in pretty much from word go, give or take the opening few weeks when he showed some promise. He looked to be bright, intelligent and took up good positions. UUnfortunately that seems to have been a false dawn as he's nothing of the sort.

 

Lots of pace which gets the crowd up, but that's it. For a winger his end product and decision making is horrendous, Adkins has even said as much as he tried to play him through the middle, but he was equally ineffective there.

 

Hes been a real disappointment for me and pretty much underwhelms in every game he plays.

 

His lack of appearances suggests Adkins thinks the same. We need to replace him as a priority.

[beatlesaint]

He's done my head in pretty much from word go, give or take the opening few weeks when he showed some promise. He looked to be bright, intelligent and took up good positions. UUnfortunately that seems to have been a false dawn as he's nothing of the sort.

 

Lots of pace which gets the crowd up, but that's it. For a winger his end product and decision making is horrendous, Adkins has even said as much as he tried to play him through the middle, but he was equally ineffective there.

 

Hes been a real disappointment for me and pretty much underwhelms in every game he plays.

 

His lack of appearances suggests Adkins thinks the same. We need to replace him as a priority.

 

Any idea how much we paid for him ?

[Jonnyboy]

Thanks for sharing

 

Thanks for caring x.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Support the whole team ffs

 

Not Guly

[S-Clarke]

Any idea how much we paid for him ?

 

Reports suggest around 500-600k. The sad thing is that we could have got Tom ince and Phillips for much less before they joined blackpool. A little too much money wasted on Sdr methinks.

[Jonnyboy]

He's done my head in pretty much from word go, give or take the opening few weeks when he showed some promise. He looked to be bright, intelligent and took up good positions. UUnfortunately that seems to have been a false dawn as he's nothing of the sort.

 

Lots of pace which gets the crowd up, but that's it. For a winger his end product and decision making is horrendous, Adkins has even said as much as he tried to play him through the middle, but he was equally ineffective there.

 

Hes been a real disappointment for me and pretty much underwhelms in every game he plays.

 

His lack of appearances suggests Adkins thinks the same. We need to replace him as a priority.

 

I agree from what Ive seen he is a disaster which is why I was surprised to see him get a run out against Wolves.

[S-Clarke]

I agree from what Ive seen he is a disaster which is why I was surprised to see him get a run out against Wolves.

 

From what I've heard he frustrates Adkins as much as he does to us. The only reason I think he's still in contention is because we haven't got another pacey sided player. Once we get him I expect Steves days to be numbered.

[Glasgow_Saint]

We need a thread on next seasons boo boys.......

 

Whole will come out on top?

 

Imho -

 

1) Guly

2) SDR

3) Fonte

4) Seaborne

5) Puncheon

6) Hammond

7) Chaplow

8 Sharp

9) Fox

[Mowgli]

Clearly got talent. Just needs to work on his technique a bit. Decision making is occasionally left wanting. Can that be trained?

[Colinjb]

But he has such a 'cool' fans chant.

[saint_disco123]

how can you say this? SDR is a brilliant player, his speed and skill with the ball is very good the only problem I only see with him is his crossing in which lacks, and lets face facts that can be easily be attended too at a few afternoon session's.

[lambertsrightleg]

Has anybody ever seen him cross the ball onto a players head, resulting in a goal?

[scotty]

But he has such a 'cool' fans chant.

 

For that reason alone we need to keep him under contract.

[Thedelldays]

Has anybody ever seen him cross the ball onto a players head, resulting in a goal?

 

Palace home last season

[ericb]

He's done my head in pretty much from word go, give or take the opening few weeks when he showed some promise. He looked to be bright, intelligent and took up good positions. UUnfortunately that seems to have been a false dawn as he's nothing of the sort.

 

Lots of pace which gets the crowd up, but that's it. For a winger his end product and decision making is horrendous, Adkins has even said as much as he tried to play him through the middle, but he was equally ineffective there.

 

Hes been a real disappointment for me and pretty much underwhelms in every game he plays.

 

His lack of appearances suggests Adkins thinks the same. We need to replace him as a priority.

 

Pretty much a perfect assessment as far as i see it, away at Reading he did change the game but for the most part he's nowhere near good enough. Really surprised by the love in there is for him in some sectors, especially given the abuse a far more effective player [Guly] gets.

[GAS]

Has anybody ever seen him cross the ball onto a players head, resulting in a goal?

He needs to grow his hair, get a perm and dye it black. Then move clubs and you will see the true Steeeve.

[ART]

Totally agree on De Ridder, he just isn't up to the level of the squad. Besides he's always injured. Surprised no one's nicknamed him "Sicknote" before now. Never thought he'd have been retained and yet he's still here, suffering from this and that and getting nowherel

[LostBoys]

I am not in favour of dissing our own players but he has a lot to prove to justify his fee

[S-Clarke]

how can you say this? SDR is a brilliant player, his speed and skill with the ball is very good the only problem I only see with him is his crossing in which lacks, and lets face facts that can be easily be attended too at a few afternoon session's.

 

The thing he lacks is the what stops him being a useful player.

 

You can have all the speed and skilll in the world, but if you can't do anything with it you are pretty useless.

 

I've stuck up for the guy numerous times, over Christmas I thought he had 2 games where he took his chance and looked really lively - but he never pushed on again from there and just went back to the frustrating winger we all know and love.

 

Seems a nice enough lad, but lacks any sort of final product to make him a valuable PL option.

[pingwing]

Palace home last season

 

He had 12 bashes at that! Took him 3-4 attempts to get one in the right goal scoring area and far to many went straight into the crowd behind the goal fifa style.

 

 

Steve is such a frustrating player, full of potential, looked good when not put under english league style pressure of very tight marking, but appalling at game changing moments. I think it was pomp at home he was clean through to make it 3-1 where his touch was so bad it went out for a goal kick, all he had to do was hit it at the target or cut it back for the 4 players rushing the goal.

 

I see why Adkins would be frustrated by him, he's very like Forte with speed being his predominant attribute, which can only do so much. Shame as he has been aprt of a few really key moments, just not consistently.

[SuperMikey]

He worries defenders, got good pace and trickery and gets the energy of the crowd up which boosts the players. Plus he's versatile and can play up front if need be. He's changed games for us before when he's come on as a sub, providing a really direct outlet down the wing which we lack elsewhere in the squad. If we sign somebody who can do what SDR does better, then fair enough.

[fish fingers]

how can you say this? SDR is a brilliant player, his speed and skill with the ball is very good the only problem I only see with him is his crossing in which lacks, and lets face facts that can be easily be attended too at a few afternoon session's.

 

So should we now be questioning why Adkins has not identified this and easily attended to?

 

He is not brilliant.

[Appy]

how can you say this? SDR is a brilliant player, his speed and skill with the ball is very good the only problem I only see with him is his crossing in which lacks, and lets face facts that can be easily be attended too at a few afternoon session's.

 

He is absolutely not a brilliant player.

 

Can only think of Reading away as a game where he made a huge impact in a game, other than that he has been mostly a passenger, his end product is awful.

Edited 6 August, 2012 by Appy

[Reynoldson!!]

but he has a cool youtube highlights video

[saint lard]

NASA curiosity rover module has just found one of the balls from one of many of De Ridders crosses.

 

Could easily be mistaken for one of Puncheons attempts on goal tbh.

[rooney]

My opinion of him is the same as S-Clarke above. He has pace and I wonder if that is the reason why NA is hanging on to him for the time being, as we badly lack this in our forwards.

[Golden Balls]

He is a pretty bad player. He has pace yes, but he can't do anything with the ball.

 

I'd love him to prove me wrong but I just don't see it

[eurosaint]

Steve De Ridder "does not cut ze mustard" !

 

I didn't realise that he had a German accent ??

[Saint Martini]

He's a bit of a headless chicken in the few outings I've seen him in. Even in matches where we have tons of space because we have a small lead he manages to find an opponent to dribble towards at least twice before laying back the ball to the RB (best case scenario). More often then not a promising counter-attack amounts to nothing because of him making the wrong choice and losing the ball somehow.

 

He works hard, I'll give him that but especially in the Premier League I can't see him being useful. I'd prefer both Guly, Puncheon & Chaplow over him at RM/RAM. Its maybe a bit harsh to give up on him this fast but perhaps we should cut our losses and let him know a first-team spot is not likely in the same way Dickson, Forte and Barnard have been made surplus to requirements.

[Leslie Charteris]

NASA curiosity rover module has just found one of the balls from one of many of De Ridder's crosses.

 

Could easily be mistaken for one of Puncheons attempts on goal tbh.

 

 

...ain't that the truth!

[lordswoodsaints]

Not good enough for our squad or a good player to have as back up in The English Premier League?

 

He didn't do it in the championship so that's probably a good indication he won't do it in the prem......get rid I reckon and that will also stop those pesky kids from shouting ssshttteeeeeeeve every time he touches the ball.

Most annoying chant of last season IMO.

[scotty]

He didn't do it in the championship so that's probably a good indication he won't do it in the prem......get rid I reckon and that will also stop those pesky kids from shouting ssshttteeeeeeeve every time he touches the ball.

Most annoying chant of last season IMO.

 

Agreed, but was the "wotsit" one last season or the one before? That was a little grating as well.

[Thedelldays]

Agreed, but was the "wotsit" one last season or the one before? That was a little grating as well.

stood in the stand at peterborough a few months ago...I was amazed how grown adults found the chant/name calling of "watsit" funny......

[Minty]

Composure and consistency.

 

Whether it's when about to cross the ball, infront of goal, or to pick out a fellow attacker, these are the things he lacks. He *can* produce the goods, but not often enough. I agree broadly with S-Clarke. At the top level you have make your chances count. You don't get many.

 

He might improve, and I hope he does, but I tend to find that composure especially, is something you either have or you don't have. He has some good attributes, but without composure, he's destined to remain a bit part player who will be released as we improve the squad IMO.

[saint1977]

Composure and consistency.

 

Whether it's when about to cross the ball, infront of goal, or to pick out a fellow attacker, these are the things he lacks. He *can* produce the goods, but not often enough. I agree broadly with S-Clarke. At the top level you have make your chances count. You don't get many.

 

He might improve, and I hope he does, but I tend to find that composure especially, is something you either have or you don't have. He has some good attributes, but without composure, he's destined to remain a bit part player who will be released as we improve the squad IMO.

 

I tend to agree with this. He was a useful impact sub to begin with, especially at Reading where he certainly showed composure there and also made a difference at Coventry. Connolly's legs were really going October onwards and SDR gave us that ability to stretch defences. However, after Xmas when we all hoped he kick on having adapated to a new league even his sub appearances became poor. Reading home was a prime example - got himself into numerous good positions and looked totally lost as to what to do next. Compare that to Kebe's sublime cross for Roberts that created Reading's opener and it shows you the type of player we actually need down that side.

 

What do we do? I'd see if we can get him an NPC loan, maybe Palace to keep Martin company, until Xmas and see if his decision-making improves with the speed of the British game. If it doesn't work, loan-perm back to the low countries in Jan. Can't see him getting past Puncheon, who has enjoyed a strong pre-season, or Guly, plus Adkins has indicated he wants to a buy a wide player.

[derry]

Not a single word about the absolutely dire absence of through ball service since he has joined the club. Playing in front of Richardson must be a nightmare for him. He could be a different player with Clyne and Davis. Anybody remember the fantastic tackle versus Crystal Palace when Scannell was clean through down the left. SDR was the only player with the pace to catch him and ran thirty yards to do it. Thought not.

[Minty]

Not a single word about the absolutely dire absence of through ball service since he has joined the club. Playing in front of Richardson must be a nightmare for him. He could be a different player with Clyne and Davis. Anybody remember the fantastic tackle versus Crystal Palace when Scannell was clean through down the left. SDR was the only player with the pace to catch him and ran thirty yards to do it. Thought not.

That was a great tackle, and fair play to him for it. But that's not his primary job, hence the discussion has mainly centered on his attacking threat.

 

We have lacked penetration at times and there has been a dearth of quality through balls at times, but ultimately I think it's fair to say most people are judging SDR on what he does when he has got the ball, which is not an unfair barometer IMO.

[krissyboy31]

Not a single word about the absolutely dire absence of through ball service since he has joined the club. Playing in front of Richardson must be a nightmare for him. He could be a different player with Clyne and Davis. Anybody remember the fantastic tackle versus Crystal Palace when Scannell was clean through down the left. SDR was the only player with the pace to catch him and ran thirty yards to do it. Thought not.

 

Of course this is possible and I agree that in flashes De Ridder has looked good but he is a player that so far in his Saints career, has flattered to deceive.

[Prince Jazzbo]

Hull at home last year. We went in 1 down at half time. NA brought him on for the 2nd half. Bizarrely, he made an impact on the game without actually doing anything of note. He made a few of his runs at their defence that came to nothing, but for some reason I think this led to them panicing a bit and making mistakes which allowed us to get back into the game. Apart from that and his goal at Reading, I'm struggling to see what contribution he can make next season. I would love to be wrong, as I quite like his enthusiasm, but unfortunately that alone isn't good enough.

[derry]

Hull at home last year. We went in 1 down at half time. NA brought him on for the 2nd half. Bizarrely, he made an impact on the game without actually doing anything of note. He made a few of his runs at their defence that came to nothing, but for some reason I think this led to them panicing a bit and making mistakes which allowed us to get back into the game. Apart from that and his goal at Reading, I'm struggling to see what contribution he can make next season. I would love to be wrong, as I quite like his enthusiasm, but unfortunately that alone isn't good enough.

 

He got to the byeline several times in the first fifteen minutes he was on and both goals came after his crosses from the byeline. Players like him need the quality passes into space behind the defence not facing his own goal while our dickhead right back plays him short or tries to overlap. It hasn't taken Adkins long to replace him.

[Minty]

Players like him need the quality passes into space behind the defence not facing his own goal while our dickhead right back plays him short or tries to overlap. It hasn't taken Adkins long to replace him.

That 'dickhead right back' has a tonne of his own assists to his name. A large part of our game over the last two years has actively seen our full backs push on to support the attack. Our style of play has mostly centred around keeping possession and not playing low percentage balls into the channel behind the opposition defence (whether successfully or not). So in summary, I think it's a bit silly to try and blame Richardson for SDR not delivering the goods consistently, when your issue seems to be more with Adkins' tactics. That's a whole other discussion IMO.

[Pat from Poole]

He got to the byeline several times in the first fifteen minutes he was on and both goals came after his crosses from the byeline. Players like him need the quality passes into space behind the defence not facing his own goal while our dickhead right back plays him short or tries to overlap. It hasn't taken Adkins long to replace him.

 

 

Must admit, old bean, that does seem a bit harsh on Richardson.

 

I think my mind was made up on De Ridder in the last 30 seconds of the 2-2 home draw with Blackpool when he didn't play the ball across.

[derry]

Richardson had I believe 12 assists many were hoisted to the far post. He gave the ball away ten times that number and put the ball into touch on the far side or out of play behind the goal regularly. He was lucky to be in the side and is nowhere near good enough now. Against Ajax he was dire and just as bad against Wolves. Putting in a decent ball for SDR was something he never did although he had opportunities to do so. If SDR plays the slower full back shouldn't be trying to engineer an overlap he should be putting him through. Clyne is much quicker than Richardson, is a good footballer and may well if he is used support SDR in a way that gets more out of him.

[Fan The Flames]

For me the telling game was Palace away in the cup; he was progressing well up to this game and this was a chance for him to show his talents. He started well, he step up the role of the older player and was directing the younger players well. A couple of mistakes later and he swapped wings to remain anonymous all game. He addresses the ball to much and this is when he looses control, I hope some coaching can harness his talents and he surprises us this season.

[Minty]

Richardson had I believe 12 assists many were hoisted to the far post. He gave the ball away ten times that number and put the ball into touch on the far side or out of play behind the goal regularly. He was lucky to be in the side and is nowhere near good enough now. Against Ajax he was dire and just as bad against Wolves. Putting in a decent ball for SDR was something he never did although he had opportunities to do so. If SDR plays the slower full back shouldn't be trying to engineer an overlap he should be putting him through. Clyne is much quicker than Richardson, is a good footballer and may well if he is used support SDR in a way that gets more out of him.

Well you seem to have ignored the main thrust of my point about how the team plays, under Adkins' instructions, and continue to focus on criticising Richardson. I'm sure there were opportunities to put SDR through, from several players, and they missed them, but to focus on FR is misguided IMO.

 

End product is what he will be primarily judged on, and as much as I hope he improves and contributes, my doubts remain.

[Barry the Badger]

our dickhead right back .

 

Wow.

[ottery st mary]

Like with Puncheon..I think De Ridder will come good this season and be a valuable member of the squad..