Ryanair very dangerous behaviour

[Minty]

I doubt Southampton will start charging for drop-off / pick-up for a variety of reasons, especially as TCM states, there are plenty of places where people would just create their own pick-up/drop-off point.

 

Having worked for BAA for a number of years I can perhaps offer a bit more of an insight into this than most. Ultimately all the facilities have to be paid for somehow and increasingly, airports are coming under pressure from airlines to reduce charges, and different airports and groups are finding different ways to pass that on or absorb it elsewhere.

 

Airports make more money from 'Retail' (including car parking) than they do from anything aviation related. Hence the massive expansion of retail areas in most airports in the country. On a wider scale, the public end up paying for everything eventually, be it through airline charges, increased retail prices in the shops, direct charges, like parking, or even just drop-off/pick-up etc. But airports also know that to make money in retail sectors, they need airlines and passengers to be passing through, so they tend to be more willing to negotiate on costs with the airlines and pass that on through car parking etc, because they know that most leisure passengers won't even think about the car parking or public transport costs initially when looking for a flight, and it just becomes something to be calculated after the flight is booked. And for business flyers, it is less important because it usually covered on expenses.

 

So, funnily enough, a conversation about car parking charges comes back once again to the budget airlines... their push for lower costs, to enable them to advertise cheaper flights, just drives up prices elsewhere. You should see what it costs per square foot for retail space in airports compared even to some major shopping centres.

[dune]

Call me a tight git, but I will not spend a penny once through security. Because liquids are banned from flights they have ramped up the cost of bottled drinks once you are past security. I take empty plastic water bottles and once through security fill them up in the bogs. This year i'm thinking of putting a dash of orange cordial in each bottle - would this meet security requirements r.e liquids?

[buctootim]

Call me a tight git, but I will not spend a penny once through security. Because liquids are banned from flights they have ramped up the cost of bottled drinks once you are past security. I take empty plastic water bottles and once through security fill them up in the bogs. This year i'm thinking of putting a dash of orange cordial in each bottle - would this meet security requirements r.e liquids?

 

Dont think they care, as long as its less than 100ml.

[dune]

Dont think they care, as long as its less than 100ml.

 

That's 1/6 of a pint for those who don't do metric so is fine, cheers.

[Minty]

The container itself must be less than 100ml too, not just the liquid contained within it, so that rules out even an empty drinks bottle, even though it's a sound idea IMO! If you've got any through before then you've been lucky. And airside prices have always been higher than landside... you're a captive audience and so outlets take advantage, but my aforementioned post about the cost of retail space also contributes to this.

[Lighthouse]

You should be allowed to take an empty bottle through but I think the 100ml of orange will have to be in a seperate 100ml bottle. It's a weird rule, but you shouldn't have any issues taking an empty bottle through, I do it all the time.

[Minty]

To be fair, I believe it's one of those things that seems to be a little ambiguous... technically, the DfT ruels state no containers over 100ml, even if empty, but in practice it seems people are taking them through.

 

Been awhile since I was actively up-to-date on it all, so perhaps there is some flexibility now.

[This Charming Man]

Sounds like a lot of hassle to save £1.80.

[derry]

I will add that generally the training at Ryanair is very good and I wouldn't have any worries about 99% of their pilots. However what this woman thought she was doing taking off after colliding with another aircraft I'll never know.

 

That's about 20 pilots. The trouble is some of them make it to command and fly with others from the 1% making a pretty horrendous scenario. I think all airlines have this problem but some are more ruthless than others in weeding out the poor performers. The lack of common sense, tunnel vision and the inability to see the big picture was a common problem.

[Lighthouse]

That's about 20 pilots. The trouble is some of them make it to command and fly with others from the 1% making a pretty horrendous scenario. I think all airlines have this problem but some are more ruthless than others in weeding out the poor performers. The lack of common sense, tunnel vision and the inability to see the big picture was a common problem.

 

It's the Swiss cheese model they keep banging on about in CRM courses. Get a dodgy captain with a dodgy first officer in a dodgy plane at a dodgy airport *cough* Madrid *cough* in dodgy weather and things will probably go wrong. Ryanair is no worse than any of the more reputable European airlines. They've never done anything as bad as Kegworth or AF447.

[Saint in Paradise]

To be fair to Ryanair they only have Boeing aircraft, no Airbus aircraft as far as I know anyway.

 

I agree with the famous phrase "If it ain't a Boeing I ain't going"

[dubai_phil]

Call me a tight git, but I will not spend a penny once through security. Because liquids are banned from flights they have ramped up the cost of bottled drinks once you are past security. I take empty plastic water bottles and once through security fill them up in the bogs. This year i'm thinking of putting a dash of orange cordial in each bottle - would this meet security requirements r.e liquids?

 

You need to switch your Newspaper.

 

At LHR T3 most days you can get a free bottle of Buxton Mineral Water with the Daily Telegraph.........

[trousers]

@MailOnline: Ryanair hoping to build planes with wider doors so passengers can be herded on more quickly http://t.co/m7V2Did8

[derry]

It's the Swiss cheese model they keep banging on about in CRM courses. Get a dodgy captain with a dodgy first officer in a dodgy plane at a dodgy airport *cough* Madrid *cough* in dodgy weather and things will probably go wrong. Ryanair is no worse than any of the more reputable European airlines. They've never done anything as bad as Kegworth or AF447.

 

I think there have been Ryanair incidents that one could put the phrase 'There but for the grace of God' The BMA accident was a Company/aircraft/crew mess up. Commercial pressures, insufficient training from 300 analogue to 400 digital conversion, instrument displacement, poor cockpit procedures with a lack of leadership and ATC and Company distractions causing the failure to re- evaluate the failure. Together with poor cabin crew communications with the flight deck. The F/O was a bright lad, I tried to get him a job after the inquest but he was tainted and unemployable.

 

We had a new 400 that had a vibration gauge non standard switch off, We complained regularly but nothing was done. I had a discussion with Ed Trimble, the AAIB Chief investigator questioning the assumption that the damaged BMA vibration gauge fitted with a new chip could be assumed as serviceable. I cited the A/c that we had. I contacted the company to arrange for ET to view and that evening the aircraft was ferried to maintenance and the Vibration monitoring system was stripped out and replaced. ET then had nothing to see. A cynical company action which did nothing for aircraft safety. 'Safety is paramount' is the most cynical statement ever uttered by an airline manager. It just isn't true.

[Torres]

i've just been reading some reviews of this swindle. it would seem that the system works ok unless you are bussed to the plane. do they use buses at Gatwick?

 

No. Don't think so. It's a proper airport

 

Boo-locks. I've been bussed to the plane when flying with BA from T5.