Special K Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 All going Pete Tong, isnt it ? Daley and Waterfield throw their gold away. Not at all. Don't p*** your pants just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 They weren't expected to win gold. The Chinese were. Our chance in the diving is meant to be in the Individual. If Daley doesn't medal there, then it went wrong. Whats the matter with you ? They both admit they blew the 4th dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Why do we as a sporting nation choke so badly ? Daley and Waterfield Womens basketball against Canada Murray's choke is already in the post. Paula Ratcliffe at previous Olympics At least Moomintroll gritted her teeth and got her bronze. Do we not take sports pyschology seriously enough, or are we just pooftahs ? We are not choking - just look at the GB men gymnasts. What we are doing is performing to our best and not acheiving the ridiculous levels of expectation that our media have arrogantly suggested we can acheive. Daly was a medal hope - hope being the key word. The Chinese fellows were the red hot favourites and duely delivered. There have been loads of PBs which is all you can ask of an athletes at the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 There is no way we are going to match 2008 medal table. No way This, sadly. Too many silly mistakes and nervousness. As I said earlier, we seem to struggle with home-crowd expectations. Murray and Henman probably would have won Wimbledeon if it have been in the Czech Republic. Hang on, thats taking it a bit too far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 (edited) We are not choking - just look at the GB men gymnasts. What we are doing is performing to our best and not acheiving the ridiculous levels of expectation that our media have arrogantly suggested we can acheive. Daly was a medal hope - hope being the key word. The Chinese fellows were the red hot favourites and duely delivered. There have been loads of PBs which is all you can ask of an athletes at the Olympics. Cavendish ? We do really well when we are underdogs and no-hopers in situations. and its not just sport. Look at WW2, especially the Battle of Britain, Rorke's Drift and Goose Green for extreme examples. The gymnastics team fit this category. When we are fancied, with high expectations/hopes, we are complete bottle-jobs. And this morning you can add Ben Ainslie and Paul Simpson to the list of those blowing it, which is even more annoying because they have proven records of success but are bottling it in home territory because of weight of expectation. Edited 31 July, 2012 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Cavendish ? We do really well when we are underdogs and no-hopers in situations. and its not just sport. Look at WW2, especially the Battle of Britain, Rorke's Drift and Goose Green for extreme examples. The gymnastics team fit this category. When we are fancied, with high expectations/hopes, we are complete bottle-jobs. And this morning you can add Ben Ainslie and Paul Simpson to the list of those blowing it, which is even more annoying because they have proven records of success but are bottling it in home territory because of weight of expectation. Agreed. Team GB re the biggest bunch of bottlers since England threw away the Ashes on the first day last year! (or Saints whenever they last made you look like a complete bellend with your ridiculous comments). So far these Olympics, we've only had one person who was hot favourite to win gold (Cavandish). He didn't - but that's part of the beauty of sport...it's unpredictable sometimes! Equally, we've also gone way above expectations too (gymnastics for example). The other medal hopes we've had so far have failed. But they were by no means ever nailed on to win. It's unfair to compare the medals tally to Bei Jing simply because that was exceptional beyond anyones expectations. I can guarentee we will have at least 4 golds by the end of the weekend. How can you say Ainsle has bottled it half way through his event? In an unpredictable sport in which he's been remarkably consistent in recent years and widely regarded as one of our most successful olympians ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Cavendish ? We do really well when we are underdogs and no-hopers in situations. and its not just sport. Look at WW2, especially the Battle of Britain, Rorke's Drift and Goose Green for extreme examples. The gymnastics team fit this category. When we are fancied, with high expectations/hopes, we are complete bottle-jobs. And this morning you can add Ben Ainslie and Paul Simpson to the list of those blowing it, which is even more annoying because they have proven records of success but are bottling it in home territory because of weight of expectation. Are you really saying that Cavendish didn't get Gold was because the GB team (or him) bottled it????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Just waiting for my mate at Waterloo. Decided to have a little look around by the eye. There were a group of about 15 girls from the Slovenia team. Sweet Jesus. Stunning would not do them justice. All very tall too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Are you really saying that Cavendish didn't get Gold was because the GB team (or him) bottled it????? All I know is that he definitely would have won it if all the other riders were Nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 All I know is that he definitely would have won it if all the other riders were Nazis. You're right. Or, maybe we should have guaranteed the win by breaking his leg or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Another gold gone in the 3 day eventing. Too many fences down in the showjumping, whilst the Krauts all go clear. Crossed fingers the last Brit goes clear to hold NZ off for Silver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 You talk as though the Gold medals are already ours unless we do something silly or 'bottle it'... a crass misrepresentation of the quality of the field, and the nature of sport itself. Silver will be an excellent result, behind the reigning Olympic champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 The golds will come once the cycling starts and the rowing begins to finish. Just like in Beijing. If you compare our performance so far to Beijing at the same point, we aren't doing any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Why is the 3 day eventing scored so heavily in favour of the prancing about bit? That seems to account for about 75% of the marks, when the cross country and the show jumping is low scoring. Surely that's arse about face, the jumping over things should be what is all about, not skipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Why is the 3 day eventing scored so heavily in favour of the prancing about bit? That seems to account for about 75% of the marks, when the cross country and the show jumping is low scoring. Surely that's arse about face, the jumping over things should be what is all about, not skipping. You do realise that the 'scores' you're looking at at actually penalty points? So, the less the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 You do realise that the 'scores' you're looking at at actually penalty points? So, the less the better. Thats what I'm saying,. the dancing bit should be a lot lower, so in effect each discipline would account for about a third of the 'penalty points' the best horse at dancing will have a massive advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Another gold gone in the 3 day eventing. Too many fences down in the showjumping, whilst the Krauts all go clear. Crossed fingers the last Brit goes clear to hold NZ off for Silver... Yeah and there's no way Saints will promoted twice in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Why is the 3 day eventing scored so heavily in favour of the prancing about bit? That seems to account for about 75% of the marks, when the cross country and the show jumping is low scoring. Surely that's arse about face, the jumping over things should be what is all about, not skipping. Harder to get a horse to mince about in the ring than to get it to jump something that it is running full tilt towards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Thats what I'm saying,. the dancing bit should be a lot lower, so in effect each discipline would account for about a third of the 'penalty points' the best horse at dancing will have a massive advantage. Not really. The total score is not what matters, it's the equivalence of the penalties that matter. i.e. If first place has 38 points in Dressage and second has 39, that's no different to scoring 0 and 1 penalty points respectively in this round. Britain win silver in the team event! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Harder to get a horse to mince about in the ring than to get it to jump something that it is running full tilt towards This. Colourfully put, mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Silver for GB, Tina Cook goes clear in last round. Woooo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 taters said we'd got gold when Ingrid knocked the first one off. Another sport I don't understand. Like Basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Jesus, our own coastline and we really are fluffling the sailing lines. Ainslie drops further behind and another boat capsizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Why is the 3 day eventing scored so heavily in favour of the prancing about bit? That seems to account for about 75% of the marks, when the cross country and the show jumping is low scoring. Surely that's arse about face, the jumping over things should be what is all about, not skipping. 3 day eventing is derived from cavalry training, in which the close control ( dressage ) was vitally important as part of melee combat preparation, maintaining formation on the battlefield, and creating the partnership and trust between horse and rider. ( Similarly, find a video of the Spanish Riding School ). It is actually very hard work, which I know having tried it both as a rider and in training working hunter ponies. There are still the individual and team dressage,and individual and team show-jumping events to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 And now our best canoeing hope has buggered up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 3 day eventing is derived from cavalry training, in which the close control ( dressage ) was vitally important as part of melee combat preparation, maintaining formation on the battlefield, and creating the partnership and trust between horse and rider. ( Similarly, find a video of the Spanish Riding School ). It is actually very hard work, which I know having tried it both as a rider and in training working hunter ponies. There are still the individual and team dressage,and individual and team show-jumping events to come. Traditionally we arent that fantastic at the precision stuff - dressage and show-jumping, but we more than compensate for it with being sh*t-hot at the blood-and-thunder section, cross-country. Cant see us picking up any more medals in equestrian after this afternoons possibilities in the individual 3DE placings, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 You talk as though the Gold medals are already ours unless we do something silly or 'bottle it'... a crass misrepresentation of the quality of the field, and the nature of sport itself. Silver will be an excellent result, behind the reigning Olympic champions. Same goes for the Prems next season, I think 2nd would be quite goods. Sorry, been invaded by the spirit of Bearsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Have to say, the Olympic park is huge. Very impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Have to say, the Olympic park is huge. Very impressive I'm there for the athletics of Friday night, can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2012 I'm there for the athletics of Friday night, can't wait. You will live it. The place is huge. The velodrome is a right old way from the main stadium. It also has the biggest McDonald's in the world. Oddly lol Got free tickets for the handball in a bit. Croatia v Serbia. They have put in extra security lol Also, they now have recycle ticket offices. If you have not taken your seat within a short time frame. It goes back on sale for about £5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 The three day eventers have blown the individual medals. Zara Phillips went clear, but the other two who went clear in the team event completely screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Mick Channon just got a gold in the 3.45 at Goodwood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsdan Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 lol at Alpine calling Mark Cavendish a bottler! This is the man who has more stage victories at the Tour De France than any other sprinter in history, including 4 wins on the Champs-Elysees, has also won stages at both the Giro (Tour of Italy) and the Vuelta (Tour of Spain) and has won the points classification (sprinters competition) at both the Tour and the Vuelta. He has also won in some of the Spring Classics and is the current World Road Race Champion. He didn't win the sprint because he wasn't put in a position to win which was more to do with the structure of the race (maximum 5 riders per team) and the failure of any of the other sprinters teams, particularly Germany, to help the GB riders to chase down the breakaway than any failure by Cavendish or the rest of the team. A break got away and stayed away, that's cycling, it happens. When he is put in a position to win he generally does, Cav is no bottler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Ignore it, alpine has pretty much castigated any GB failure to win gold, a ridiculous point of view that completely disrespects the efforts of any of our Olympians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Ignore it, alpine has pretty much castigated any GB failure to win gold, a ridiculous point of view that completely disrespects the efforts of any of our Olympians. He is just rubbing it in because the Austrians are favourite for a gold in cellar digging... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Actually at the GB BASKETBALL game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 We will start to get golds from tomorrow. Day 5, just like Beijing. Watch out for rowing and cycling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Just back from Russia - China & Spain -Aus basketball this morning. Really enjoyed it. Great atmosphere. Very American way of playing music at every gap in play but to be expected! First basketball game I've been to and first Olympic event. The park is quite impressive and quite big. Obvious queues but overall an enjoyable experience! Got Beach Volleyball on Thursday night and then Football on Saturday @ Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Off to the swimming finals. Only have an hour in there The whole day has been free apart from travel and drinks :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Off to the swimming finals. Only have an hour in there The whole day has been free apart from travel and drinks :-) Oh well done, very crafty Rule 1 submission there TDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Got back from Wimbledon a while ago, a top day out. Tennis is great live and it made me feel a bit of a chump that I'd never bothered trying to get any tickets to see it before. We watched the ridiculous Tsonga vs Raonic match which finished 25-23 in the 3rd set. Not quite the 3 day epic of Isner vs Mahut but no doubt an Olympic record that will last for a while. It went on so long they reorganised the schedule so there was only one game after that which was Heather Watson getting battered by a very impressive Maria Kirilenko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Got back from Wimbledon a while ago, a top day out. Tennis is great live and it made me feel a bit of a chump that I'd never bothered trying to get any tickets to see it before. We watched the ridiculous Tsonga vs Raonic match which finished 25-23 in the 3rd set. Not quite the 3 day epic of Isner vs Mahut but no doubt an Olympic record that will last for a while. It went on so long they reorganised the schedule so there was only one game after that which was Heather Watson getting battered by a very impressive Maria Kirilenko. Tennis is great live. Really fast and intense. Seeing it live really does shut up those who think it is an easy sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 31 July, 2012 Share Posted 31 July, 2012 We watched the ridiculous Tsonga vs Raonic match which finished 25-23 in the 3rd set. Somewhere, the Canadian equivalent of Alpine is calling Raonic a bottler... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2012 Those who do go. Do not go to the bar with the big screen next to Westfield (called podium bar) It's £4 entry and £5 a pint. Literally round the corner there is a good pub that is of course free to get in and £3 a pint Make sure you don't take a MasterCard as ŷou won't be able to use it. VISA only And be prepared to see the biggest McDonald's in the world! The aquatic centre is very impressive, both outside and in. The velodrome look awesome from the outside. It's about a 25-30 min walk from the main stadium to the velodrome. And there was were more venues past that. We got the jubilee line from Waterloo to stratford. But on the train they kept advising us to get off the stop before and get the javelin train to the park. We never and it would not necessary to advise that at all. Amazing venue. Simply amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 1 August, 2012 Share Posted 1 August, 2012 I went to the badminton yesterday and it was good to watch although the Wembley Arena seats are some of the smallest and cramped I've ever come across and it was stifling hot. The view however was excellent, and the badminton was superb. First up you had a match between a Danish girl and a Russian girl that went all the way which was played at the same time as a match between a Turk who got thrashed by a short girl from Chinese Taipei, who was the best player there by a considerable distance. Both the Brits lost although they could easily have won their matches. We actually left just before the controversial Chinese/South Korean game (it was last on) due to the heat. Another very noticeable however were the empty seats. The arena was barely half full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 August, 2012 Share Posted 1 August, 2012 We will start to get golds from tomorrow. Day 5, just like Beijing. Watch out for rowing and cycling. If Stanning and Glover dont get gold this morning, Team GB might as well go home.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 August, 2012 Share Posted 1 August, 2012 Not important though, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 August, 2012 Share Posted 1 August, 2012 Not important though, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 1 August, 2012 Share Posted 1 August, 2012 If Stanning and Glover dont get gold this morning, Team GB might as well go home.... And then they'd achieve exactly what you're complaining about. Personally I think our athletes would have a higher chance of getting a gold medal if they continued to try their hardest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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