Lack of quality activity...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

What makes you think they won't be sufficient quality when they do come in?

 

I think everyone is in agreement that the earlier you do business the better. What I find strange is the notion that the club are in some way being complacent or lazy about it. Knowing what we know about the meticulous planning around everything else at the club, don't you find it strange that the club wouldn't be as driven and focused when it comes to something like transfers?

 

Other than Reading (and it's debatable re the quality of their signings), who else has pretty much done all their business already? It seems difficult for most teams, especially when you want a certain type of player.

 

 

Because they haven't been so far. We can only judge on the quality of players that have come in so far, and the quality isn't good enough for the CB's if we go down the same lines.

 

Meticulous planning? I wouldn't say there is meticulous planning. In fact, everything seems very laissez-faire, from the lack of Season Ticket payment options last season, the ticket office issues, running out of food and beer at the ML cup, the website etc. How long did it take to get started on the training ground? I am a big fan of Cortese's, but I don't believe the club is meticulously run.

 

QPR look like they have done their business, as does Norwich and possibly Swansea. West Ham have brought in 5 or 6 of good quality and are nearly done. The most important position for us to strengthen hasn't been done, and that is what worries me considering we have known we need to improve the defence since the beginning of May.

[S-Clarke]

Because they haven't been so far. We can only judge on the quality of players that have come in so far, and the quality isn't good enough for the CB's if we go down the same lines.

 

Meticulous planning? I wouldn't say there is meticulous planning. In fact, everything seems very laissez-faire, from the lack of Season Ticket payment options last season, the ticket office issues, running out of food and beer at the ML cup, the website etc. How long did it take to get started on the training ground? I am a big fan of Cortese's, but I don't believe the club is meticulously run.

 

QPR look like they have done their business, as does Norwich and possibly Swansea. West Ham have brought in 5 or 6 of good quality and are nearly done. The most important position for us to strengthen hasn't been done, and that is what worries me considering we have known we need to improve the defence since the beginning of May.

 

I have no problem with people having an opinion and raising fair points, but when they try to conclude their argument by stating made up facts it does my head in. Name the 6 new players WHU have. I bet you can't.

 

WHU have only brought in 4 new players. Diame, Collins, Mgbia(?) and Jasskalinen. Excellent. I'm sure we'd all be enthralled with those additions.

 

WHU are a good expmaple of how not to go about it actually. As fans it ''sounds'' like they're busy, being linked with a big bid for a guy in Europe, attempting to bring in Andy Caroll - but they're wasting their time, and to the frustration of their fans, making it public. So the fans can see them failing to get additions.

 

I know for a fact that WHU fans are ****ed so far with this transfer window. They've not added anyone of note, and replaced Green with a keeper who is long past it. They are very, very envious of our signing of Clyne as they needed a right back and were frustrated they didn't go for him.

 

At this stage Sunderland are also much weaker than they were last season, and a quick glance on their forum shows a similar state of panic threads as they've publicly admitted that their targets have not materialized.

 

So have an opinion by all means, but back it up with facts and don't make up the numbers just to suit your argument.

Edited 6 August, 2012 by S-Clarke

[The Kraken]

WHU have only brought in 3 new players. Diame, Collins and Jasskalinen. Excellent. I'm sure we'd all be enthralled with those additions.

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]GK

[/TD]

[TD] Stephen Henderson

[/TD]

[TD] Portsmouth

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[TD]Undisclosed

[/TD]

[TD]21 May 2012

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[TD]^[1]

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[TD][/TD]

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[TD] Bolton Wanderers

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[TD]1 July 2012

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[TD]^[4]

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[TD] Sunderland

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[TD]18 July 2012

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[TD]23 July 2012

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[TD] Aston Villa

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[TD]Undisclosed

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[TD]01 August 2012

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[TD]^[9]

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[S-Clarke]

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Henderson and McCartney were already there as loans with an agreement to buy, don't class them as new additions in this window.

 

Other than that I'm not too excited by their additions, we've got better.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I have no problem with people having an opinion and raising fair points, but when they try to conclude their argument by stating made up facts it does my head in. Name the 6 new players WHU have. I bet you can't.

 

Henderson from Pompey as well I think you'll find, who's a good player. So I think you'll find it's you that's making up facts.

[Dalek2003]

Because they haven't been so far. We can only judge on the quality of players that have come in so far, and the quality isn't good enough for the CB's if we go down the same lines.

 

Meticulous planning? I wouldn't say there is meticulous planning. In fact, everything seems very laissez-faire, from the lack of Season Ticket payment options last season, the ticket office issues, running out of food and beer at the ML cup, the website etc. How long did it take to get started on the training ground? I am a big fan of Cortese's, but I don't believe the club is meticulously run.

 

QPR look like they have done their business, as does Norwich and possibly Swansea. West Ham have brought in 5 or 6 of good quality and are nearly done. The most important position for us to strengthen hasn't been done, and that is what worries me considering we have known we need to improve the defence since the beginning of May.

 

I predicted thqt this would happen way back in May. We got away with it last season but I fear this year we are going to suffer some serious humiliation. We could be complacent, more than likely we are not fussed about going donw and are employing the 'yoyo' strategy.

I am glad BTW you are finally singing my tune as are more by the day.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Henderson and McCartney were already there as loans with an agreement to buy, don't class them as new additions in this window.

 

Other than that I'm not too excited by their additions, we've got better.

 

 

They were signed since the end of the season, so are counted as new signings. You're wrong, so wind your neck in.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I have no problem with people having an opinion and raising fair points, but when they try to conclude their argument by stating made up facts it does my head in. Name the 6 new players WHU have. I bet you can't.

 

WHU have only brought in 4 new players. Diame, Collins, Mgbia(?) and Jasskalinen. Excellent. I'm sure we'd all be enthralled with those additions.

 

WHU are a good expmaple of how not to go about it actually. As fans it ''sounds'' like they're busy, being linked with a big bid for a guy in Europe, attempting to bring in Andy Caroll - but they're wasting their time, and to the frustration of their fans, making it public. So the fans can see them failing to get additions.

 

I know for a fact that WHU fans are ****ed so far with this transfer window. They've not added anyone of note, and replaced Green with a keeper who is long past it. They are very, very envious of our signing of Clyne as they needed a right back and were frustrated they didn't go for him.

 

At this stage Sunderland are also much weaker than they were last season, and a quick glance on their forum shows a similar state of panic threads as they've publicly admitted that their targets have not materialized.

 

So have an opinion by all means, but back it up with facts and don't make up the numbers just to suit your argument.

 

Now, to deal with your other points...

 

Diame is quality. Collins and McCartney are better than what we have. Maiga is very good. Jasskailainen is past it, I agree. I would take all of their signings so far this Summer.

[The Kraken]

Henderson and McCartney were already there as loans with an agreement to buy, don't class them as new additions in this window.

 

Other than that I'm not too excited by their additions, we've got better.

 

We've done ok so far, but I wouldn't write off West Ham. And they've definitely signed more than 3 players.

 

Jaaskelainen should be decent for them, and he's still only 37 which for a keeper is fine. I rate him as better than Kelvin.

 

George McCartney and James Collins are solid signings for relatively low cost. I'm not a fan of Diame, and Newcastle agreed a £7M fee for Maiga before he failed a medical with them. I think the Hammers have added well, and I think their squad (man for man) was slightly better than ours to start with.

[S-Clarke]

They were signed since the end of the season, so are counted as new signings. You're wrong, so wind your neck in.

 

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist over WHU signings though?

 

They're average.com.

 

From their fans views, they are frustrated and worried at their lack of notable activity. And are envious at our ''clever'' and shrewd additions so far.

 

We need a CB and RW, we will get them, and then we can stop worrying. Adkins has confirmed as much.

 

We had similar threads last season, notably people commenting on Leicester. But we did it the right way, by evolving what we had and not going for a mass change which some (not everyone) is suggesting.

 

I think our management and scouts have earned our trust for what they've done over the past few years, so let's just let them get on with it and stop bickering regarding the lack of quality activity, when in fact from a neutrals point of view, we've made very good additions to the squad. If they continue to be of that standard then I'll be happy.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist over WHU signings though?

 

They're average.com.

 

From their fans views, they are frustrated and worried at their lack of notable activity. And are envious at our ''clever'' and shrewd additions so far.

 

We need a CB and RW, we will get them, and then we can stop worrying. Adkins has confirmed as much.

 

We had similar threads last season, notably people commenting on Leicester. But we did it the right way, by evolving what we had and not going for a mass change which some (not everyone) is suggesting.

 

I think our management and scouts have earned our trust for what they've done over the past few years, so let's just let them get on with it and stop bickering regarding the lack of quality activity, when in fact from a neutrals point of view, we've made very good additions to the squad. If they continue to be of that standard then I'll be happy.

 

 

We're not, it was just an example. How about QPR's signings? Or Swansea's?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I think our management and scouts have earned our trust for what they've done over the past few years, so let's just let them get on with it and stop bickering regarding the lack of quality activity, when in fact from a neutrals point of view, we've made very good additions to the squad. If they continue to be of that standard then I'll be happy.

 

Why? Our signings are probably at around 50% success rate since we were taken over.

[maysie]

We're not, it was just an example. How about QPR's signings? Or Swansea's?

 

We need a CB and RM/RW and we all know this is obvious. Adkins knows this and they will hopefully come in over the next couple of weeks. If they don't then yah lets have a worry. Putting aside the fact that your posting style comes over as arrogant and supremist, I think the majority if people know what we need including the club.

 

Who were/are you expecting us to buy anyway? What is quality in your mind for what we should aim for? The market seems to be slow and over priced. We don't want a team of mercenaries like QPR did last season.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

We need a CB and RM/RW and we all know this is obvious. Adkins knows this and they will hopefully come in over the next couple of weeks. If they don't then yah lets have a worry. Putting aside the fact that your posting style comes over as arrogant and supremist, I think the majority if people know what we need including the club.

 

Who were/are you expecting us to buy anyway? What is quality in your mind for what we should aim for? The market seems to be slow and over priced. We don't want a team of mercenaries like QPR did last season.

 

 

Ivan Ramis for £3m, Hoillett for a development fee (although admittedly quite high wages). Michu for £2m. Jonathon De Guzman is a quality player.

 

I would carry on, but I have to go catch my train. Posting style is hard to judge to be fair, as you can't convey the way you are meaning to

[Minty]

This is all just conjecture. DPS has his opinion on our and other signings, as do we all, and if you're so inclined, as DPS clearly is, then you use that to judge the apparent ambition or preparedness of your club. Most people, I think it's fair to say, aren't quite so harsh, but ultimately none of it can be 'proven' until the season gets underway, and to be honest, no conclusions can be drawn until the END of the season. Only then can we look back at what may or may not have been key to our finishing position.

 

In the meantime this all just seems to be going round in circles.

[MOSaint]

QPR have signed some good players this window and shouldn't be anywhere near the bottom next season, Swansea though I'm not so sure about. only added three so far, lost Caulker, their manager and could well lose Joe Allen. Michu is a good signing, de Guzman is OK, can't comment much on Chico as I've never seen him play.

 

West Brom haven't added much either and their board are trying the old good coach = good manager tactic in Clarke that served us so well in the past. I think they are dark horses for relegation this year.

 

IMO the fight to stay up will involve more teams this year than last and if we want to avoid that fight we will need someone vastly superior to Fonte in that starting 11.

[The Kraken]

This is all just conjecture. DPS has his opinion on our and other signings, as do we all, and if you're so inclined, as DPS clearly is, then you use that to judge the apparent ambition or preparedness of your club. Most people, I think it's fair to say, aren't quite so harsh, but ultimately none of it can be 'proven' until the season gets underway, and to be honest, no conclusions can be drawn until the END of the season. Only then can we look back at what may or may not have been key to our finishing position.

 

In the meantime this all just seems to be going round in circles.

Perhaps, but as the countdown to August 19th ticks down it becomes more and more apparent that we're not yet set up for what we need for the season. Especially so at CB, where even the manager has stated we need to bring in one or two players to strengthen. RM/RW, I'd say we're "ok" there for now, even though we could with strengthening its not really a weak area. We simply can't say that about CB, and the longer it goes without addressing the problem the more nervous people will get about it. There's nearly a month of the window to go of course, but its the age old debate about preferring to get players in earlier rather than later. I still think we'll hear about a new CB this week or next week, although the general lack of news of potential signings is slightly strange given the press leaks about our signings to date this summer.

[The9]

Now, to deal with your other points...

 

Diame is quality. Collins and McCartney are better than what we have. Maiga is very good. Jasskailainen is past it, I agree. I would take all of their signings so far this Summer.

 

Disagree pretty strongly with this, they're both pretty crappy.

[The9]

Why? Our signings are probably at around 50% success rate since we were taken over.

 

Let's have a look then... obviously can't judge this season's yet so I've drawn the line after January 2012

 

PLAYER FROM FEE DATE

Dan Harding Ipswich Free 21 Jul, 2009 HIT

Rickie Lambert Bristol R £1,000,000 11 Aug, 2009 HIT

Dean Hammond Colchester Signed 20 Aug, 2009 HIT

Radhi Jaidi Birmingham Free 03 Sep, 2009 HIT

Jose Fonte C Palace £800,000 09 Jan, 2010 HIT

Danny Seaborne Exeter Free 13 Jan, 2010 MISS (so far)

Jon Otsemobor Norwich Free 14 Jan, 2010 MISS

Lee Barnard Southend Signed 22 Jan, 2010 HIT

Jason Puncheon Plymouth Signed 01 Feb, 2010 ARGUABLE

Ryan Dickson Brentford Free 15 Jun, 2010 ARGUABLE

Frazer Richardson Charlton Signed 06 Jul, 2010 HIT

Danny Butterfield C Palace Free 17 Jul, 2010 ARGUABLE

Jonathan Forte Scvnthorpe Signed 31 Jan, 2011 MISS

Richard Chaplow Southampton Signed 31 Jan, 2011 HIT

Jack Stephens Plymouth £150,000 21 Apr, 2011 ARGUABLE

Jack Cork Chelsea Signed 11 Jul, 2011 HIT

Steve De Ridder De Graafschap Signed 22 Jul, 2011 MISS (so far)

Daniel Fox Burnley Signed 11 Aug, 2011 HIT

Jos Hooiveld Celtic Signed 31 Aug, 2011 HIT

Tadanari Lee Sanf Hiroshima Free 25 Jan, 2012 HIT ( until injured)

Billy Sharp Doncaster £1,800,000 30 Jan, 2012 HIT

 

You're on a loser when we've been promoted twice, nearly everyone's had a role - Even if you put the arguables into the MISS category it's still 13 successes and only 8 arguable/misses.

 

Dunno why Connolly's not on that list but he was a hit too.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Let's have a look then... obviously can't judge this season's yet so I've drawn the line after January 2012

 

PLAYER FROM FEE DATE

Dan Harding Ipswich Free 21 Jul, 2009 HIT

Rickie Lambert Bristol R £1,000,000 11 Aug, 2009 HIT

Dean Hammond Colchester Signed 20 Aug, 2009 HIT

Radhi Jaidi Birmingham Free 03 Sep, 2009 HIT

Jose Fonte C Palace £800,000 09 Jan, 2010 HIT

Danny Seaborne Exeter Free 13 Jan, 2010 MISS (so far)

Jon Otsemobor Norwich Free 14 Jan, 2010 MISS

Lee Barnard Southend Signed 22 Jan, 2010 HIT

Jason Puncheon Plymouth Signed 01 Feb, 2010 ARGUABLE

Ryan Dickson Brentford Free 15 Jun, 2010 ARGUABLE

Frazer Richardson Charlton Signed 06 Jul, 2010 HIT

Danny Butterfield C Palace Free 17 Jul, 2010 ARGUABLE

Jonathan Forte Scvnthorpe Signed 31 Jan, 2011 MISS

Richard Chaplow Southampton Signed 31 Jan, 2011 HIT

Jack Stephens Plymouth £150,000 21 Apr, 2011 ARGUABLE

Jack Cork Chelsea Signed 11 Jul, 2011 HIT

Steve De Ridder De Graafschap Signed 22 Jul, 2011 MISS (so far)

Daniel Fox Burnley Signed 11 Aug, 2011 HIT

Jos Hooiveld Celtic Signed 31 Aug, 2011 HIT

Tadanari Lee Sanf Hiroshima Free 25 Jan, 2012 HIT ( until injured)

Billy Sharp Doncaster £1,800,000 30 Jan, 2012 HIT

 

You're on a loser when we've been promoted twice, nearly everyone's had a role - Even if you put the arguables into the MISS category it's still 13 successes and only 8 arguable/misses.

 

Dunno why Connolly's not on that list but he was a hit too.

 

There are tons missing, where are all the loans?

[The Kraken]

There are tons missing, where are all the loans?

 

Jacob Mellis

Neal Trotman

Papa Waigo

Michail Antonio

Guly do Prado

Richard Chaplow

Nicolas Bignall

Dany N'guessan

James Shea

Dale Stephens

Jos Hooiveld

Iago Falque

[Bearsy]

Aaron Martin?

[buctootim]

Jacob Mellis

Neal Trotman

Papa Waigo

Michail Antonio

Guly do Prado

Richard Chaplow

Nicolas Bignall

Dany N'guessan

James Shea

Dale Stephens

Jos Hooiveld

Iago Falque

 

I dont even remember Neal Trotman and James Shea

[The Kraken]

I dont even remember Neal Trotman and James Shea

 

Neal Trotman played at the back with Radhi Jaidi; he was like a younger version of big Radhi. Decent for us I thought.

 

Shea never played and was a bit of a pointless signing really.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Jacob Mellis

Neal Trotman

Papa Waigo

Michail Antonio

Guly do Prado

Richard Chaplow

Nicolas Bignall

Dany N'guessan

James Shea

Dale Stephens

Jos Hooiveld

Iago Falque

 

Cheers!

 

Jacob Mellis - Miss

Neal Trotman - Arguable

Papa Waigo - Arguable

Michail Antonio - Arguable

Nicolas Bignall - Miss

Dany N'guessan - Miss

James Shea - Miss

Dale Stephens - Miss

Iago Falque - Miss

 

Makes it a little more even I'd say.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Jacob Mellis

Neal Trotman

Papa Waigo

Michail Antonio

Guly do Prado

Richard Chaplow

Nicolas Bignall

Dany N'guessan

James Shea

Dale Stephens

Jos Hooiveld

Iago Falque

 

Cheers!

 

Jacob Mellis - Miss

Neal Trotman - Arguable

Papa Waigo - Arguable

Michail Antonio - Arguable

Nicolas Bignall - Miss

Dany N'guessan - Miss

James Shea - Miss

Dale Stephens - Miss

Iago Falque - Miss

 

Makes it a little more even I'd say.

[buctootim]

Neal Trotman played at the back with Radhi Jaidi; he was like a younger version of big Radhi. Decent for us I thought.

 

Shea never played and was a bit of a pointless signing really.

 

Thanks. Can place Trotman now.

[The Kraken]

Cheers!

 

Jacob Mellis - Miss

Neal Trotman - Miss

Papa Waigo - Arguable

Michail Antonio - Arguable

Nicolas Bignall - Miss

Dany N'guessan - Miss

James Shea - Miss

Dale Stephens - Miss

Iago Falque - Miss

 

Makes it a little more even I'd say.

 

Trotman was never a miss, he was decent for us. Waigo and Antonio were also hits. James Shea was recalled by Arsenal after a week so I wouldn't even rate him. Agree with the rest.

[S-Clarke]

Cheers!

 

Jacob Mellis - Miss

Neal Trotman - Arguable

Papa Waigo - Arguable

Michail Antonio - Arguable

Nicolas Bignall - Miss

Dany N'guessan - Miss

James Shea - Miss

Dale Stephens - Miss

Iago Falque - Miss

 

Makes it a little more even I'd say.

 

Dale Stephens was decent. So were papa and Antonio. All 3 hits in my opinion.

 

The fact of the matter is that you need to have a pretty decent transfer policy to achieve back to back promotions.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Trotman was never a miss, he was decent for us. Waigo and Antonio were also hits. James Shea was recalled by Arsenal after a week so I wouldn't even rate him. Agree with the rest.

 

Upgraded Trotman, agree with that.

 

People really do remember both Waigo and Antonio with rose coloured glasses. They really weren't all that and Antonio was really bad for most of the season.

[S-Clarke]

Upgraded Trotman, agree with that.

 

People really do remember both Waigo and Antonio with rose coloured glasses. They really weren't all that and Antonio was really bad for most of the season.

 

Antonio wasn't bad for most of the season. He changed games for us regularly. Pace at league 1 level males a huge difference. It's totally ignorant to rate his contribution as bad for most of the season

[Thedelldays]

Is it wrong to think Waigo was pretty crap

 

He was woefully offside too much and it was odd how people claimed it was because he was just way ahead in football terms than everyone else

[S-Clarke]

Is it wrong to think Waigo was pretty crap

 

He was woefully offside too much and it was odd how people claimed it was because he was just way ahead in football terms than everyone else

 

He was hit and miss. A bit like a l1 Steve de ridder I guess. Pace merchant. I think he's now in the 4th division of Italy

 

Antonio had more of a positive impact though.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Dale Stephens was decent. So were papa and Antonio. All 3 hits in my opinion.

 

The fact of the matter is that you need to have a pretty decent transfer policy to achieve back to back promotions.

 

So what you're saying iss that you'd be happy for one of our new CB's to have the same influence as Dale Stephens did? Are you serious? And the same with Waigo or Antonio? If so we don't need a RW as w have Guly who has had more of an impact than those 2 put together.

 

In response to the second part, you throw enough mud at a wall, some of it will stick.

[S-Clarke]

So what you're saying iss that you'd be happy for one of our new CB's to have the same influence as Dale Stephens did? Are you serious? And the same with Waigo or Antonio? If so we don't need a RW as w have Guly who has had more of an impact than those 2 put together.

 

In response to the second part, you throw enough mud at a wall, some of it will stick.

 

Where did I say that? Stop putting words into my mouth.

 

Pointless arguing with people like you. It'll just go round in circles so I'll cut my input here.

[The9]

Cheers!

 

Jacob Mellis - Miss

Neal Trotman - Arguable

Papa Waigo - Arguable

Michail Antonio - Arguable

Nicolas Bignall - Miss

Dany N'guessan - Miss

James Shea - Miss

Dale Stephens - Miss

Iago Falque - Miss

 

Makes it a little more even I'd say.

 

Hah, you take a bunch of people signed as stopgaps and emergencies and try and pass them all off as failures. Goodbye to YOUR credibility.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Ok, so here goes:

 

David Connolly - Hit

Graeme Murty - Miss

Dan Harding Ipswich Free 21 Jul, 2009 HIT

Rickie Lambert Bristol R £1,000,000 11 Aug, 2009 HIT

Dean Hammond Colchester Signed 20 Aug, 2009 HIT

Radhi Jaidi Birmingham Free 03 Sep, 2009 HIT

Jose Fonte C Palace £800,000 09 Jan, 2010 HIT

Danny Seaborne Exeter Free 13 Jan, 2010 MISS (so far)

Jon Otsemobor Norwich Free 14 Jan, 2010 MISS

Lee Barnard Southend Signed 22 Jan, 2010 HIT

Jason Puncheon Plymouth Signed 01 Feb, 2010 MISS

Ryan Dickson Brentford Free 15 Jun, 2010 MISS

Frazer Richardson Charlton Signed 06 Jul, 2010 HIT

Danny Butterfield C Palace Free 17 Jul, 2010 ARGUABLE

Jonathan Forte Scvnthorpe Signed 31 Jan, 2011 MISS

Richard Chaplow Southampton Signed 31 Jan, 2011 HIT

Jack Stephens Plymouth £150,000 21 Apr, 2011 ARGUABLE

Jack Cork Chelsea Signed 11 Jul, 2011 HIT

Steve De Ridder De Graafschap Signed 22 Jul, 2011 MISS (so far)

Daniel Fox Burnley Signed 11 Aug, 2011 HIT

Jos Hooiveld Celtic Signed 31 Aug, 2011 HIT

Tadanari Lee Sanf Hiroshima Free 25 Jan, 2012 HIT ( until injured)

Billy Sharp Doncaster £1,800,000 30 Jan, 2012 HIT

Jacob Mellis - Miss

Neal Trotman - Arguable

Papa Waigo - Arguable

Michail Antonio - Arguable

Nicolas Bignall - Miss

Dany N'guessan - Miss

James Shea - Miss

Dale Stephens - Miss

Iago Falque - Miss

 

So that is:

Hit = 14

Arguable = 5

Miss = 13

 

Even if we upgrade Antonio to Hit, and remove Jack Stephens as he is too young to know as yet, that is not a good success rate.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Hah, you take a bunch of people signed as stopgaps and emergencies and try and pass them all off as failures. Goodbye to YOUR credibility.

 

Why, they were identified by our scouting system, and they were not good? How does that work, you can't just pick and choose who you want to include, you have to take 100% of the available info do you not?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Where did I say that? Stop putting words into my mouth.

 

Pointless arguing with people like you. It'll just go round in circles so I'll cut my input here.

 

But the point is you see them as hits, which means you thought they were good signings and had enough of a positive outcome. So should we include 'Star hits' so we can work out what you see as an acceptable influence to have.

[Turkish]

Ok, so here goes:

 

David Connolly - Hit

Graeme Murty - Miss

Dan Harding Ipswich Free 21 Jul, 2009 HIT

Rickie Lambert Bristol R £1,000,000 11 Aug, 2009 HIT

Dean Hammond Colchester Signed 20 Aug, 2009 HIT

Radhi Jaidi Birmingham Free 03 Sep, 2009 HIT

Jose Fonte C Palace £800,000 09 Jan, 2010 HIT

Danny Seaborne Exeter Free 13 Jan, 2010 MISS (so far)

Jon Otsemobor Norwich Free 14 Jan, 2010 MISS

Lee Barnard Southend Signed 22 Jan, 2010 HIT

Jason Puncheon Plymouth Signed 01 Feb, 2010 MISS

Ryan Dickson Brentford Free 15 Jun, 2010 MISS

Frazer Richardson Charlton Signed 06 Jul, 2010 HIT

Danny Butterfield C Palace Free 17 Jul, 2010 ARGUABLE

Jonathan Forte Scvnthorpe Signed 31 Jan, 2011 MISS

Richard Chaplow Southampton Signed 31 Jan, 2011 HIT

Jack Stephens Plymouth £150,000 21 Apr, 2011 ARGUABLE

Jack Cork Chelsea Signed 11 Jul, 2011 HIT

Steve De Ridder De Graafschap Signed 22 Jul, 2011 MISS (so far)

Daniel Fox Burnley Signed 11 Aug, 2011 HIT

Jos Hooiveld Celtic Signed 31 Aug, 2011 HIT

Tadanari Lee Sanf Hiroshima Free 25 Jan, 2012 HIT ( until injured)

Billy Sharp Doncaster £1,800,000 30 Jan, 2012 HIT

Jacob Mellis - Miss

Neal Trotman - Arguable

Papa Waigo - Arguable

Michail Antonio - Arguable

Nicolas Bignall - Miss

Dany N'guessan - Miss

James Shea - Miss

Dale Stephens - Miss

Iago Falque - Miss

 

So that is:

Hit = 14

Arguable = 5

Miss = 13

 

Even if we upgrade Antonio to Hit, and remove Jack Stephens as he is too young to know as yet, that is not a good success rate.

 

10 of the misses or arguables are loans though. Jack Stephens has only be a first team player for about 2 weeks so shouldn't be in there. Butterfield has been a hit, good solid player who has always done a job. Take them out and just use permenant transfers then it's actually a pretty decent strike rate. Who the f*ck is James Shea BTW?

Edited 6 August, 2012 by Turkish

[The Kraken]

He was hit and miss. A bit like a l1 Steve de ridder I guess. Pace merchant. I think he's now in the 4th division of Italy

He plays in the UAE. He had two seasons in Serie B after leaving us, with a decent goal scoring rate (15 in 40 appearances for Ascoli in season 2011-12).

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Opinions may differ as to how good Papa Waigo and Michail Antonio were, but clearly both made useful contributions during their time here. To attempt to argue otherwise is just silly.

[The Kraken]

10 of the misses or arguables are loans though. Jack Stephens has only be a first team player for about 2 weeks so shouldn't be in there. Butterfield has been a hit, good solid player who has always done a job. Take them out and just use permenant transfers then it's actually a pretty decent strike rate. Who the f*ck is James Shea BTW?

Young keeper we got on loan from Arsenal when Bart was injured. He was recalled by Arsenal after 8 days, I think Bart's injury turned out to not be as bad as first feared.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Opinions may differ as to how good Papa Waigo and Michail Antonio were, but clearly both made useful contributions during their time here. To attempt to argue otherwise is just silly.

 

I'm not saying they didn't make a contribution, but I am saying that they weren't a 'Hit' and that it's arguable whether they were hit or miss, which you seem to allude to in the first 3 words of your statement.

[Turkish]

Young keeper we got on loan from Arsenal when Bart was injured. He was recalled by Arsenal after 8 days, I think Bart's injury turned out to not be as bad as first feared.

 

So he's classed as a miss, despite never actually being needed to play and only being here for a week on loan. Not quite sure how that works.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I'm not saying they didn't make a contribution, but I am saying that they weren't a 'Hit' and that it's arguable whether they were hit or miss, which you seem to allude to in the first 3 words of your statement.

 

If we are crudely dividing loan players into 'Hit & Miss' categories that it seems to me reasonable to rate those that make a useful contribution as 'Hits'. In any case I don't remember many Saints fans leaving Wembley after the 2010 JPT Final regretting the fact that either of these players were in the squad.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

If we are crudely dividing loan players into 'Hit & Miss' categories that it seems to me reasonable to rate those that make a useful contribution as 'Hits'. In any case I don't remember many Saints fans leaving Wembley after the 2010 JPT Final regretting the fact that either of these players were in the squad.

 

I don't remember anyone regretting having Forte in the squad after scoring the 2 goals against the MK Dons. Means nothing

[The9]

Why, they were identified by our scouting system, and they were not good? How does that work, you can't just pick and choose who you want to include, you have to take 100% of the available info do you not?

 

100% of permanent signings or season long loans, but to include the likes of Shea, Bignall and Dale Stephens is ridiculous. Shea was a success because he gave us a warm GK body on the bench when Bart was injured, Bignall didn't get a look in because other players were in good form and Dale Stephens was emergency cover when we only had potentially one centre midfielder and were trying to sustain a promotion push - and we got promoted.

[The9]

If we are crudely dividing loan players into 'Hit & Miss' categories that it seems to me reasonable to rate those that make a useful contribution as 'Hits'. In any case I don't remember many Saints fans leaving Wembley after the 2010 JPT Final regretting the fact that either of these players were in the squad.

 

I readily agree it's a crude method, but even with his own criteria and including short term specific purpose loans he's not managed to get to the 50% failure rate he suggested earlier.

[S-Clarke]

I readily agree it's a crude method, but even with his own criteria and including short term specific purpose loans he's not managed to get to the 50% failure rate he suggested earlier.

 

I'm pretty certain that if we'd had a 50% failure rate on transfers over the past 3 seasons, then we wouldn't be in the PL right now. Therefore our signings have been mainly successes. That's surely the only statistic which needs to be thrown his way to prove his argument as flawed rubbish.