The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 So you're saying that all those keepers you listed are realistic targets for Saints? No, it was a very quick and dirty edit of a list of Prem keepers with the criteria I mentioned above just to name some players to stop the pathetic counter argument that no-one could name "ONE SINGLE PLAYER". There's at least ONE player on that list who could be signed now, and probably at a guess about 10 of them. There will be a few who are out of our price range, a few who will not be better than what we've got, but fundamentally they have Prem experience and could be signed.
Sour Mash Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 No, it was a very quick and dirty edit of a list of Prem keepers with the criteria I mentioned above just to name some players to stop the pathetic counter argument that no-one could name "ONE SINGLE PLAYER". There's at least ONE player on that list who could be signed now, and probably at a guess about 10 of them. There will be a few who are out of our price range, a few who will not be better than what we've got, but fundamentally they have Prem experience and could be signed. When then your list was pretty pointless. Who do you think we should be signing as a keeper?
The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 You can take £2m off Jack Butland's fee based on that clearance for GB just now, so he's probably back in range now too.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 There really is no need to be offensive. The bottom line is that so far you and those who agree with you have not been able to name a SINGLE player who would be worth the fee and wages they would require who is certain to be better than the players we have or the excellent 3 we have so far brought in (I am not counting the keeper because he has been bought as a longer-term prospect). In contrast look at how Reading have brought in players like Shorey; Gunter and Guthrie who have all been shown up to be wanting at the highest level. Lets just hope we can continue in the vein we have been going in and get the keeper and CH we need. Until we see who they are I am, not sure there is much we can conclude about the squad although I am going to invest a small amount of my windfall from last season on a top half finish. Bloody bell, yes I have. Michu > Davis Naughton > Clyne Maiga > Rodriguez The point is that we don't need players for the future we need players for now.
The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 When then your list was pretty pointless. Who do you think we should be signing as a keeper? It's not pointless at all, it's an illustration that there are loads of players we could be signing, chucked together quickly to counter a far more ridiculous point, which is that no-one can name any players in the Prem who we could be signing. You'll note I'm point-blank refusing to engage in the far-more-pointless "name a single player and have the cynics pick holes in their suitability" game. There are players, and some of them are in that list, point made.
Sour Mash Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 It's not pointless at all, it's an illustration that there are loads of players we could be signing, chucked together quickly to counter a far more ridiculous point, which is that no-one can name any players in the Prem who we could be signing. You'll note I'm point-blank refusing to engage in the far-more-pointless "name a single player and have the cynics pick holes in their suitability" game. There are players, and some of them are in that list, point made. Fantastic approach. Why not just list every registered professional footballer and say we could be signing someone from that list. Brilliant.
aintforever Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I don't know about yo yo policy but our signings so far have been sensible, taking into account the fact that there is a pretty good chance we will get relegated rather than gambling on staying up.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 Fantastic approach. Why not just list every registered professional footballer and say we could be signing someone from that list. Brilliant. But that is the point!! Off that list of players there are a massive amount that we'd take that would be accessible. The same as if we had a list for defenders, midfielders or attackers. Another player we should have looked at who's 10 times better and 4 times cheaper than Dann, Michael Turner.
The Kraken Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I don't know about yo yo policy but our signings so far have been sensible, taking into account the fact that there is a pretty good chance we will get relegated rather than gambling on staying up. With the era of player relegation clauses and hugely enhanced parachute payments I'm not sure I buy this argument. Before anyone jumps down my throat about it: of course I'm not advocating doing a Pompey. But I don't see too much wrong in reinforcing the team with 1 or 2 players with proven experience, and it will likely cost a little more than a Championship youngster (although its fair to say that JRod will be on a pretty penny anyway after signing for £7M). In any case, if Cortese is driving our transfer activity based around potential relegation it flies in the face of every single thing he's said about our ambitions.
The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 Fantastic approach. Why not just list every registered professional footballer and say we could be signing someone from that list. Brilliant. That was the next step. I wasted my time just removing the Saints players from the list, evidently.
The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 But that is the point!! Off that list of players there are a massive amount that we'd take that would be accessible. The same as if we had a list for defenders, midfielders or attackers. Another player we should have looked at who's 10 times better and 4 times cheaper than Dann, Michael Turner. First and second sentences I agree with entirely, the last one falls into the trap of discussing individuals when the point is that there are plenty of potential options if we want to look at them.
Sour Mash Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 But that is the point!! Off that list of players there are a massive amount that we'd take that would be accessible. The same as if we had a list for defenders, midfielders or attackers. Another player we should have looked at who's 10 times better and 4 times cheaper than Dann, Michael Turner. Cheaper? Probably. Better? Not really. I'm not saying there aren't any players out there that would be a good option for us, but they have to be better than what we've got, would come to us and be reasonably affordable/offer some value. Not that many players that I can think of. Just looking at a few bets for the season tonight, we're joint favourites with Reading for relegation. That's the way the outside footballing world views us at the moment, makes it difficult to entice established top flight players.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 Cheaper? Probably. Better? Not really. I'm not saying there aren't any players out there that would be a good option for us, but they have to be better than what we've got, would come to us and be reasonably affordable/offer some value. Not that many players that I can think of. Just looking at a few bets for the season tonight, we're joint favourites with Reading for relegation. That's the way the outside footballing world views us at the moment, makes it difficult to entice established top flight players. I worry for your ability to judge players if you don't think Turner is a better centre back.
Sour Mash Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I worry for your ability to judge players if you don't think Turner is a better centre back. Fair enough, don't worry too much though. and I won't worry that we haven't been linked with Michael Turner.
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I worry for your ability to judge players if you don't think Turner is a better centre back. Would this be the injury prone Michael Turner who has averaged 20 games a season over the last 3 seasons? Is this the same Micheal Turner that has been kept out of the Sunderland side by the mighty Titus Bramble? Can it be the Micheal Turner tht Sunderland rate so highly they are allowing him to leave for less than half what they paid for him even though Wes Brown is injured and out for the first month of the season? Or is there another exceptional centre half at Sunderland that goes by the same name tht I'm not aware of?
The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 You see, this is no longer the "why aren't we signing players with Prem experience" thread, this is now the "pick holes in Michael Turner" thread.
Greenridge Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 You see, this is no longer the "why aren't we signing players with Prem experience" thread, this is now the "pick holes in Michael Turner" thread. You have to admire Waltish for coming to the rescue of his special friend with some informative diatribe thanks to Google.
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 You see, this is no longer the "why aren't we signing players with Prem experience" thread, this is now the "pick holes in Michael Turner" thread. Jut pointing out that Premier League experience doesn't automatically make someone a good player. Jimi Traore has won the champions league FFS!
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 You have to admire Waltish for coming to the rescue of his special friend with some informative diatribe thanks to Google. Good to see your obsession with me shows no signs of abating.
CB Fry Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 You see, this is no longer the "why aren't we signing players with Prem experience" thread, this is now the "pick holes in Michael Turner" thread. We could turn it into the why Turner is ten times better than Dann thread. Ten times better. Ten times! Who wants to start?
Sour Mash Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 You see, this is no longer the "why aren't we signing players with Prem experience" thread, this is now the "pick holes in Michael Turner" thread. It's finding a good example showing there aren't that many players out there with Prem experience that would be available to us and offer value. Or if you want the thread to go in another direction, then tell us why 'we haven't signed players with Prem experience' if thats what you want to discuss?
The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 You have to admire Waltish for coming to the rescue of his special friend with some informative diatribe thanks to Google. I don't even understand this post.
The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 It's finding a good example showing there aren't that many players out there with Prem experience that would be available to us and offer value. Or if you want the thread to go in another direction, then tell us why 'we haven't signed players with Prem experience' if thats what you want to discuss? As with every other thread featuring the usual suspects, I can't be fcking bothered any more.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 Would this be the injury prone Michael Turner who has averaged 20 games a season over the last 3 seasons? Is this the same Micheal Turner that has been kept out of the Sunderland side by the mighty Titus Bramble? Can it be the Micheal Turner tht Sunderland rate so highly they are allowing him to leave for less than half what they paid for him even though Wes Brown is injured and out for the first month of the season? Or is there another exceptional centre half at Sunderland that goes by the same name tht I'm not aware of? Love the fact that you think if you say something with authority someone will believe you. Titus Bramble made 8 appearances last season. 5 of the 8 were when Michael Turner was out injured at the beginning of the season. Turner made 28 appearances last season, and was pretty much an ever present when he came back from injury. I knew there was a reason you were on ignore, and that's because you spout ******** 90% of the time.
latter day saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 As with every other thread featuring the usual suspects, I can't be fcking bothered any more. i think you speak for a good many people on that
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 We could turn it into the why Turner is ten times better than Dann thread. Ten times better. Ten times! Who wants to start? Dean Marney once said Turner should be in the England squad, he's never said that about Dann.
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 Love the fact that you think if you say something with authority someone will believe you. Titus Bramble made 8 appearances last season. 5 of the 8 were when Michael Turner was out injured at the beginning of the season. Turner made 28 appearances last season, and was pretty much an ever present when he came back from injury. I knew there was a reason you were on ignore, and that's because you spout ******** 90% of the time. Oh, when he was out injured?! What a surprise!!
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 Jut pointing out that Premier League experience doesn't automatically make someone a good player. Jimi Traore has won the champions league FFS! I assume you mean Djimi Traore?
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I assume you mean Djimi Traore? Didn't you just say I was on ignore?
The9 Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 Jut pointing out that Premier League experience doesn't automatically make someone a good player. Jimi Traore has won the champions league FFS! And no-one said it did. But plenty are saying a bit more experience might not be a bad thing.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 Didn't you just say I was on ignore? You are, I'm viewing your posts.
hypochondriac Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 You are, I'm viewing your posts. TBF that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 And no-one said it did. But plenty are saying a bit more experience might not be a bad thing. I agree, it's something we need, especially in a key position like centre back. it's also making sure that player is good though. As has been pointed out we are kind of limited as to who we can realistically expect to sign that fits the bill. I can only really think of 2 or 3 centre backs who are bette than we've got, have top flight experience and would join us. Scott Dann is one of them.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 Oh, when he was out injured?! What a surprise!!
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 TBF that doesn't make a lot of sense. In general I ignore him, as he is a liar. However, he is disagreeing with something I've said, so I am interested to see the crap he's throwing around.
hypochondriac Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 In general I ignore him, as he is a liar. However, he is disagreeing with something I've said, so I am interested to see the crap he's throwing around. Bit of a pointless exercise putting him on ignore then. Generally I just totally ignore the two people I have on ignore. One of them has stopped posting and the other one continues to post after me so I presume they are still posting about me even though I haven't responded to them in about six months. How sad.
The Kraken Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 Bit of a pointless exercise putting him on ignore then. Generally I just totally ignore the two people I have on ignore. One of them has stopped posting and the other one continues to post after me so I presume they are still posting about me even though I haven't responded to them in about six months. How sad. Bet you can't see this.
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 In general I ignore him, as he is a liar. However, he is disagreeing with something I've said, so I am interested to see the crap he's throwing around. A liar? WTF are you on about?
The Kraken Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 In general I ignore him, as he is a liar. However, he is disagreeing with something I've said, so I am interested to see the crap he's throwing around. How did you know he was disagreeing with you in the first place? I've never been inclined to have anyone on ignore so I don't know how it works (or why people bother).
John B Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I agree, it's something we need, especially in a key position like centre back. it's also making sure that player is good though. As has been pointed out we are kind of limited as to who we can realistically expect to sign that fits the bill. I can only really think of 2 or 3 centre backs who are bette than we've got, have top flight experience and would join us. Scott Dann is one of them. Yes I agree lots of clubs have paid out a shedload of cash on so called quality players who have turned out to be a waste of space. The players signed so far have been pretty good so hopefully another three will be recruited and we will see what happens
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 How did you know he was disagreeing with you in the first place? I've never been inclined to have anyone on ignore so I don't know how it works (or why people bother). I had a feeling he would, he's a contrarian so chances are he was disagreeing. You still see they've posted, and it has an option to 'View Post'. But as you and Hypo have both said, what's the point if I am viewing these ones, so I'll stop. I've proved my point that he made up that Bramble was keeping Turner out of the Sunderland side.
The Kraken Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I had a feeling he would, he's a contrarian so chances are he was disagreeing. You still see they've posted, and it has an option to 'View Post'. But as you and Hypo have both said, what's the point if I am viewing these ones, so I'll stop. I've proved my point that he made up that Bramble was keeping Turner out of the Sunderland side. Oh right. How odd. Yeah, seems little reason to stress the point of ignoring someone if you're actually not (and actually making more of an effort than usual to read what they've said). I find the whole ignore feature a little strange, as if its designed for people who have no self control over what they choose to read and respond to.
Turkish Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I had a feeling he would, he's a contrarian so chances are he was disagreeing. You still see they've posted, and it has an option to 'View Post'. But as you and Hypo have both said, what's the point if I am viewing these ones, so I'll stop. I've proved my point that he made up that Bramble was keeping Turner out of the Sunderland side. Turner is being sold, Bramble isn't. Bramble is preffered to him so he's keeping him out of the side, no? So it was just pure luck that you happened to be looking at my posts at the same time as I disagreed with you about Michael Turner, who'd have thought it. Anyway, you say I'm a liar, please continue.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Author Posted 26 July, 2012 Oh right. How odd. Yeah, seems little reason to stress the point of ignoring someone if you're actually not (and actually making more of an effort than usual to read what they've said). I find the whole ignore feature ignore feature strange, as if its designed for people who have no self control over what they choose to read and respond to. I think it's more around the fact that (and I agree it shouldn't be this way) some peoples trolling is extremely difficult to ignore, especially when they are one of the most vocal on the site.
The Kraken Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I think it's more around the fact that (and I agree it shouldn't be this way) some peoples trolling is extremely difficult to ignore, especially when they are one of the most vocal on the site. I used to think the same way about Alpine. I thought about chucking him on ignore, but then I realised that his general nonsense, how utterly angry he gets all the time, and how he is so consistently often wrong about so many things were things that actually made me laugh more than anything else, and putting him on ignore would deprive me of endless mirth at his expense. There's always an upside.
shurlock Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 Probably just another name to pad up an article, more lazy journalism but this says we were after Zak Whitbread. Make of that what you will in terms of transfer targets and quality... http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city-fc/zak_whitbread_wants_to_repeat_norwich_city_success_at_leicester_city_1_1460059
hypochondriac Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 Bet you can't see this. You are on the sensible and sane poster list kraken. I would never ignore you xxx
Viking Warrior Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I'm not worried . I believe we already have a very good squad . We have battled our way through two very difficult divisions and played some excellent football along the way . Even when teams tried their damnest to stifle our passing and attacking game . Nigel is not daft and a lot of hour players should be able to shine in the premier league we are not going to come up against the mega defensive teams we endured over the past two seasons but teams that want to play attractive football. Something saints are adept to
hypochondriac Posted 26 July, 2012 Posted 26 July, 2012 I'm not worried . I believe we already have a very good squad . We have battled our way through two very difficult divisions and played some excellent football along the way . Even when teams tried their damnest to stifle our passing and attacking game . Nigel is not daft and a lot of hour players should be able to shine in the premier league we are not going to come up against the mega defensive teams we endured over the past two seasons but teams that want to play attractive football. Something saints are adept to Our big problem at the moment though is the defence. Question marks remain over Fox and our two CBs in the prem.
Danbert Posted 27 July, 2012 Posted 27 July, 2012 If you are suffering lack of quality activity why not try Uncle Avram's knocking shop?
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