Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 August, 2012 how is it...every single time (literally) alpine starts with the reactionary, aggressive postings...a thread deteriorates into a slug fest......in the words of mario balotelli..."why always him" Instead of posting inflammatory things like the above, why don't you just debate with him and try to get your point across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Wow, how can someone read and understand quite so badly as this ??? Yeah - what you meant was that NC was wasting his time and Ramirez and his agent are winding us up - is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Instead of posting inflammatory things like the above, why don't you just debate with him and try to get your point across. there is no point to get across....we ALL know it...over and over and over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 August, 2012 How do you come to that conclusion? JRod I'd concur is a bizarre transfer; Steven Davis looks like being just what we need, an experienced and quality head in the middle of the park. Clyne looks to be a very good signing, one for right now and for the future. And Gazza is clearly one who is going to challenge Kelvin pretty soon. We haven't made enough transfers, that's of course not for debate, its a fact. But I would struggle to be overly critical of the trabsfers we've actually made; JRod aside they're pretty self-explanatory I'd have thought. I actually think Gazza, Davis and Clyne are fine, JRod I'm really not sure of. For me it's the fact that we have 3 days to go and still no CB's. That says to me that we ae confused as to who we want, how much we believed they should be available for, and whether or not they'd be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Wow, how can someone read and understand quite so badly as this ??? the cutting abuse about my reading ability is really not really called for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 I actually think Gazza, Davis and Clyne are fine, JRod I'm really not sure of. For me it's the fact that we have 3 days to go and still no CB's. That says to me that we ae confused as to who we want, how much we believed they should be available for, and whether or not they'd be interested. JRod is a good signing, he is just being played out of position until we bring in players like Ramiez who fit the 4-3-3 better. Ultimately JR will be a central striker and you can see he has the attributes for that. With one cnetral striekr being played it was going to be hard for him to get ahead of Rickie straight away - but Im sure he will get a chance there soon and do a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Yeah - what you meant was that NC was wasting his time and Ramirez and his agent are winding us up - is that right? And winding NC up too. I reckon Bologna have been using our interest to try to flush bigger deals out of the woodwork. Until something is signed, there is still time for that to happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Couple of points - no way is any club interested in a Yo Yo strategy - Blackpool or West brom all want to be top flight and stay top flight, but being sensible clubs, and in blackppols case with infrastructure development needs they use the money wisely and dont go mad - they are not survive at all costs clubs which is different to 'planning to to go down' - just realistic about what budget can be afforded etc There is no way on earth that NC would be 'happy' yo yo ing never . However what some of you are not recognising is that we do have a strategy that is focussed on younger talent that we can take with us to the next level - its risky, yes and may mean we do struggle to start with and this is why Nige will be under tremedous pressure - it would be easy to sign journeymen with experience, but we have made a decision to go with younger talent that is of suffiecient quality to cut it in the prem from the off - a narrow brief and more limited stock of players - and that means we are up against clubs already more established in the prem (eg Swansea) or much bigger clubs sauch as Man U in the case of Buttner - Means more work to convince them to come to a newly promoted sides - more expensive players and importantly from clubs that are quite happy to use our interest to kick strt bdding wars etc. I would rather we signed players that fit our profile than panic buy to satisfy fans views on what is needed. If we see it, then you can bet that teh managemnet team KNOW we do, but wont be forced into expensive signings if the players are simply not right longer term. Easy to criticise the clubs as having left it too late blah b;lah, but reality is they will ahve been working on this for a LONG time, but there are never any guarrantees that the targets come off. If we get through this year and survive, next season will be easier, but when you are most 'pundits' favourites for relegation, getting teh players you want is never going to be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 And winding NC up too. I reckon Bologna have been using our interest to try to flush bigger deals out of the woodwork. Until something is signed, there is still time for that to happen... Fair enough - lets hope you are wrong. A lot of signs suggest he is close to signing so time will tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 the cutting abuse about my reading ability is really not really called for. I said nothing about your ability. I was talking about the activity that caused you to respond like that. Its cool, I know certain posters see what they want to in my posts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Couple of points - no way is any club interested in a Yo Yo strategy - Blackpool or West brom all want to be top flight and stay top flight, but being sensible clubs, and in blackppols case with infrastructure development needs they use the money wisely and dont go mad - they are not survive at all costs clubs which is different to 'planning to to go down' - just realistic about what budget can be afforded etc There is no way on earth that NC would be 'happy' yo yo ing never . However what some of you are not recognising is that we do have a strategy that is focussed on younger talent that we can take with us to the next level - its risky, yes and may mean we do struggle to start with and this is why Nige will be under tremedous pressure - it would be easy to sign journeymen with experience, but we have made a decision to go with younger talent that is of suffiecient quality to cut it in the prem from the off - a narrow brief and more limited stock of players - and that means we are up against clubs already more established in the prem (eg Swansea) or much bigger clubs sauch as Man U in the case of Buttner - Means more work to convince them to come to a newly promoted sides - more expensive players and importantly from clubs that are quite happy to use our interest to kick strt bdding wars etc. I would rather we signed players that fit our profile than panic buy to satisfy fans views on what is needed. If we see it, then you can bet that teh managemnet team KNOW we do, but wont be forced into expensive signings if the players are simply not right longer term. Easy to criticise the clubs as having left it too late blah b;lah, but reality is they will ahve been working on this for a LONG time, but there are never any guarrantees that the targets come off. If we get through this year and survive, next season will be easier, but when you are most 'pundits' favourites for relegation, getting teh players you want is never going to be easy. Good summary - we have a clear transfer policy and are starting to build a great young team. Of course when you get promoted some of the players will struggle a bit ie Fox, Fonte - but you can't replace every player otherwise the whole team and team spirit is different. A CB, Ramirez and a pacy wide player would make us stronger - more than that is a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Couple of points - no way is any club interested in a Yo Yo strategy - Blackpool or West brom all want to be top flight and stay top flight, but being sensible clubs, and in blackppols case with infrastructure development needs they use the money wisely and dont go mad - they are not survive at all costs clubs which is different to 'planning to to go down' - just realistic about what budget can be afforded etc There is no way on earth that NC would be 'happy' yo yo ing never . However what some of you are not recognising is that we do have a strategy that is focussed on younger talent that we can take with us to the next level - its risky, yes and may mean we do struggle to start with and this is why Nige will be under tremedous pressure - it would be easy to sign journeymen with experience, but we have made a decision to go with younger talent that is of suffiecient quality to cut it in the prem from the off - a narrow brief and more limited stock of players - and that means we are up against clubs already more established in the prem (eg Swansea) or much bigger clubs sauch as Man U in the case of Buttner - Means more work to convince them to come to a newly promoted sides - more expensive players and importantly from clubs that are quite happy to use our interest to kick strt bdding wars etc. I would rather we signed players that fit our profile than panic buy to satisfy fans views on what is needed. If we see it, then you can bet that teh managemnet team KNOW we do, but wont be forced into expensive signings if the players are simply not right longer term. Easy to criticise the clubs as having left it too late blah b;lah, but reality is they will ahve been working on this for a LONG time, but there are never any guarrantees that the targets come off. If we get through this year and survive, next season will be easier, but when you are most 'pundits' favourites for relegation, getting teh players you want is never going to be easy. You dispute that the team is in desperate need of PL-standard CBs ??? You think its just a "panic measure" ? For me, CBs are grown/forged. Pure talent and energy cant cut it there like it can up front, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 PS - and wvery club in teh prem is after quality centre backs - thin on the ground IMHO opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 August, 2012 And I may or may not agree with you come the end of transfer deadline day. I think this is a fairly consistent view of those who have not agreed with your frustrations to date. And I've never said people should believe what I say. However, even if we signed all those players now, I would still be unsure how well we planned the Summers spending due to the lateness of their arrivals. At the same time though, I would be very happy if we did sign them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 You dispute that the team is in desperate need of PL-standard CBs ??? You think its just a "panic measure" ? For me, CBs are grown/forged. Pure talent and energy cant cut it there like it can up front, for example. Dont dispute the need for em Alps - but suggesting that finding players who are better and have longer term potential that a) dont cost 10mil+ and b) actually want to come here is not as easy as some are suggesting - yes we may struggle without them, but we should not 'panic buy' tp grab teh only option - I also believe that we will have been looking at CB options from back in May - just as always the club keeps this quiet as possible and some things simply dont come off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 August, 2012 JRod is a good signing, he is just being played out of position until we bring in players like Ramiez who fit the 4-3-3 better. Ultimately JR will be a central striker and you can see he has the attributes for that. With one cnetral striekr being played it was going to be hard for him to get ahead of Rickie straight away - but Im sure he will get a chance there soon and do a great job. I have to say I don't think JRod is anywhere near the ability of Lambert. Yes, he has age on his side (I seem to remember Beattie was poor until about 23), but I don't think he'll make an impact this year, which others clearly do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 However what some of you are not recognising is that we do have a strategy that is focussed on younger talent that we can take with us to the next level Not exclusively by any means. Hooiveld, Fonte, Hammond, Connolly, Murty, Jaidi, Butterfield, Guly and Steven Davis were all around 27 or older when we signed them. And we've had plenty of others around the age of 24 or 25 when we got them (Chaplow, Harding, Fox, Richardson, Sharp, Lee etc etc). Only a small proportion of our total signings are youngsters, the majority have been playing league football for a number of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 And I've never said people should believe what I say. However, even if we signed all those players now, I would still be unsure how well we planned the Summers spending due to the lateness of their arrivals. At the same time though, I would be very happy if we did sign them. Comes back to the point a few have made and also Adkins: he is happy to wait for quality rather than taking second best. I would be delighted if Ramirez signs and him missing thr first three games is not an issue for me - the deal wouldnt have happened sooner and the quality of the player is key. If- and this is the question - the players we sign this week are also quality (obviously not likely to be same level as Ramirez) then I think we will have done well, even if we get Ramirez a CB and a pay wide player. However - the time I agree with you is if the players aside from Ramirez seem a bit last minute and "we will get him because we need someone and its late in the day, he will do". At the moment nobody knows the answer to that but I would be suprised if NA/NC sold out - whats the use signing Ramirez and then filling the CB position with someone useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Not exclusively by any means. Hooiveld, Fonte, Hammond, Connolly, Murty, Jaidi, Butterfield, Guly and Steven Davis were all around 27 or older when we signed them. And we've had plenty of others around the age of 24 or 25 when we got them (Chaplow, Harding, Fox, Richardson, Sharp, Lee etc etc). Only a small proportion of our total signings are youngsters, the majority have been playing league football for a number of years. True but those are of quality 'B' and 'C' and none of those cost a huge amount nor are they all likely to be long term first team starters - getting 'A' quality signings in their 'prime' (eg 26-29) tends to be players in the hideous price/wage bracket that is way beyond our realistic level at this time. So we go for thsoe who we believe will become this standard in 2-4 years time - with teh risk being whether they are good enough now to keep us up etc. Even that said, they are already pricey and have more options - interest form bigger clubs etc. Not saying its ideal, but seems that some are quick to accuse the club of somehow being slow or crap in the transfer market, without actually looking at what our strategy is, or recognising the challenges it poses - fair enough if some dont agree with the strategy, but the approach we are taking in transfers seem to be designed for the startegy the club has adopted so is not 'wrong' from that perspective. As I said its risky, but has the advantage of quality players developing further at saints - those who really make it will be targeted by bigger clubs for sure, but at least we will have had the luxury of seeing tehm achieve something with us first - and a big transfer fee that funds the next generation - if the end result is some cyclic flirtation with Europe than I think most ill be very happy indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 True but those are of quality 'B' and 'C' and none of those cost a huge amount nor are they all likely to be long term first team starters - getting 'A' quality signings in their 'prime' (eg 26-29) tends to be players in the hideous price/wage bracket that is way beyond our realistic level at this time. So we go for thsoe who we believe will become this standard in 2-4 years time - with teh risk being whether they are good enough now to keep us up etc. I disagree with that entirely. For our status at the time a lot of them were very good signings, comparitive A signings. Jaidi, Fonte, Butterfield and Murty all dropped a division to join us. Jaidi may have been old but he was probably our highest wage earner, or at least one of them. Compared to the clubs we were competing with they were A class players, epitomised by Fonte. I wouldn't be averse at all to going for a Jaidi type figure, a been there done it defender. We have a decent blend of youth now, an old campaigner could be just what we need at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Couple of points - no way is any club interested in a Yo Yo strategy - Blackpool or West brom all want to be top flight and stay top flight, but being sensible clubs, and in blackppols case with infrastructure development needs they use the money wisely and dont go mad - they are not survive at all costs clubs which is different to 'planning to to go down' - just realistic about what budget can be afforded etc There is no way on earth that NC would be 'happy' yo yo ing never . However what some of you are not recognising is that we do have a strategy that is focussed on younger talent that we can take with us to the next level - its risky, yes and may mean we do struggle to start with and this is why Nige will be under tremedous pressure - it would be easy to sign journeymen with experience, but we have made a decision to go with younger talent that is of suffiecient quality to cut it in the prem from the off - a narrow brief and more limited stock of players - and that means we are up against clubs already more established in the prem (eg Swansea) or much bigger clubs sauch as Man U in the case of Buttner - Means more work to convince them to come to a newly promoted sides - more expensive players and importantly from clubs that are quite happy to use our interest to kick strt bdding wars etc. I would rather we signed players that fit our profile than panic buy to satisfy fans views on what is needed. If we see it, then you can bet that teh managemnet team KNOW we do, but wont be forced into expensive signings if the players are simply not right longer term. Easy to criticise the clubs as having left it too late blah b;lah, but reality is they will ahve been working on this for a LONG time, but there are never any guarrantees that the targets come off. If we get through this year and survive, next season will be easier, but when you are most 'pundits' favourites for relegation, getting teh players you want is never going to be easy. This is about one of the best posts I have read in terms of our probable strategy. I have to say, if we are taking a risk by buying younger players with potential instead of journeymen and has beens then I am all for it. Perhaps if this vision was made clear to supporters people would be less frustrated and less stressed about the thought that we might go down this season but have a squad that could easily get us back up again. Not splitting hairs, but isn't that a sort of 'yoyo' strategy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Comes back to the point a few have made and also Adkins: he is happy to wait for quality rather than taking second best. I would be delighted if Ramirez signs and him missing thr first three games is not an issue for me - the deal wouldnt have happened sooner and the quality of the player is key. If- and this is the question - the players we sign this week are also quality (obviously not likely to be same level as Ramirez) then I think we will have done well, even if we get Ramirez a CB and a pay wide player. However - the time I agree with you is if the players aside from Ramirez seem a bit last minute and "we will get him because we need someone and its late in the day, he will do". At the moment nobody knows the answer to that but I would be suprised if NA sold out - whats the use signing Ramirez and then filling the CB position with someone useless. I agree with all those sentiments, and the last point you make is what worries me. Please also note I don't blame NA for our transfer 'woes', I believe the transfers are down to Les Reed and the scouting team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 August, 2012 This is about one of the best posts I have read in terms of our probable strategy. I have to say, if we are taking a risk by buying younger players with potential instead of journeymen and has beens then I am all for it. Perhaps if this vision was made clear to supporters people would be less frustrated and less stressed about the thought that we might go down this season but have a squad that could easily get us back up again. Not splitting hairs, but isn't that a sort of 'yoyo' strategy ? But these aren't the only types of players available. I agree that young with potential is better than journeyman and has beens. No one would disagree. What section would you place players like Michu, Hoillett, De Guzman in for instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 But these aren't the only types of players available. I agree that young with potential is better than journeyman and has beens. No one would disagree. What section would you place players like Michu, Hoillett, De Guzman in for instance? I would like to comment but don't know enough about the players you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 This is about one of the best posts I have read in terms of our probable strategy. I have to say, if we are taking a risk by buying younger players with potential instead of journeymen and has beens then I am all for it. Perhaps if this vision was made clear to supporters people would be less frustrated and less stressed about the thought that we might go down this season but have a squad that could easily get us back up again. Not splitting hairs, but isn't that a sort of 'yoyo' strategy ? NO its NOT a yo yo strategy - its a riskier one than filling the side with established journeymen in terms of first season survival, but it is not planned to go down and up, down and up, but to stay up and progress. And it has been made clear to supporters. The frsutration stems form nervousness - null point after two games in which we clearly demonstrated that we are close but not quite there yet in terms of having a side that will not only survive but begin to progress... a few exciting additions, maybe as Kracken says one old campaigner and we will be there IMHO. Dont confuse a plan of higher risk with one designed to save money (which is the classic Yo-Yo) - we appear to have capital to invest in quality youth - and teh hope is they gell fast enough and add enough to ensure we not only stay up but set a foundation for improvement in years 2 and beyond - relegation is NOT a diaster, but there is noway NC will be even contemplating it (although the wise man does ensure contracts cover this just in case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 But these aren't the only types of players available. I agree that young with potential is better than journeyman and has beens. No one would disagree. What section would you place players like Michu, Hoillett, De Guzman in for instance? Not saying they would not fit in well or within the strategy, but suspect we would struggle to convince some of them to come to a newly promoted side - if we land ramirez, we have to take our hat off to NC for convincing a player of that poetential to come here and see what he can do - yes money talks, but it will be a coop nontheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Good points and I appreciate where you are coming from. I hope you are right because that is the way for Saints to go IMO. Just hope fans are patient if we do go down and do not call for the head of NA. Having said that it will take a lot to withstand the pressure and my fear is that a hard season could shatter the confidence of the club. One final note, a friend of mine is a passionate 'Baggy' supporter and feels that all the signs are that we are adopting the WBA 'yoyo' strategy. I will look at this more closely to look for similarities and differences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 At the moment nobody knows the answer to that but I would be suprised if NA/NC sold out - whats the use signing Ramirez and then filling the CB position with someone useless. The nearer we come to TDD (that's transfer deadline day!!) the more we run the risk of buying players "out of desperation" to fill the roles. Would you rather we bought no-one because no-one was available or bought a mediocre to good player because he was available and we needed someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 (edited) The nearer we come to TDD (that's transfer deadline day!!) the more we run the risk of buying players "out of desperation" to fill the roles. Would you rather we bought no-one because no-one was available or bought a mediocre to good player because he was available and we needed someone? I would hope/think that what has happened is we have enquired about loads of players - know everyones price, availability, interest in moving here etc and then in the last week firm up who we want and move for them. Im sure during the summer we have had discussions about player ie Matt Phillips, been told the price required to get them and then you go away see who else is available etc and then if you want the player you go back in for them. The Ramirez deal is particularly complicated but Im sure we have targets we know we can move quickly on if we decide to, and some of this can stay out of the media. In certain positions we need bodies ie CB but I would still obviously want us to get someone even if maybe our top targets werent available. However, as far as a left back goes there is no point bringing one in if they arent better than what we have because we don't need extra numbers there. I would imagine our process is a lot more organised albeit in the midst of the crazy, changing world of football, then some think. Edited 28 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Good points and I appreciate where you are coming from. I hope you are right because that is the way for Saints to go IMO. Just hope fans are patient if we do go down and do not call for the head of NA. Having said that it will take a lot to withstand the pressure and my fear is that a hard season could shatter the confidence of the club. One final note, a friend of mine is a passionate 'Baggy' supporter and feels that all the signs are that we are adopting the WBA 'yoyo' strategy. I will look at this more closely to look for similarities and differences I can just see the Chairman's opening speech at the Baggies Board meeting pre-season: "The aim this season - like last and next - is to carefully orchestrate alternate relegations and promotions. The last thing we need is to get established as a comfortable, mid - table Premiership club, it would be a disaster" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 " ... we do have a strategy that is focussed on younger talent that we can take with us to the next level" Or, in the worst case, can sell on at break-even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 However, as far as a left back goes there is no point bringing one in if they arent better than what we have because we don't need extra numbers there. I would imagine our process is a lot more organised albeit in the midst of the crazy, changing world of football, then some think. Concur, for mine I don't think Jos and Fonte aren't totally up to the job so if we get a CB in (as good as they are) for cover then I guess we can always try the loan market or wait for January 2013. I guess if we fail in our CB attempts then we will get this crazy period of games out of the way and then assess whether we need to get a high quality CB loan in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 I can just see the Chairman's opening speech at the Baggies Board meeting pre-season: "The aim this season - like last and next - is to carefully orchestrate alternate relegations and promotions. The last thing we need is to get established as a comfortable, mid - table Premiership club, it would be a disaster" Sorry to drag the dark lord back into it but wasn't one of his supposed strategies preparing (financially) for relegation at the end of the season. Anything else was a bonus EDIT : Not that his plan worked when it did eventually happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Sorry to drag the dark lord back into it but wasn't one of his supposed strategies preparing (financially) for relegation at the end of the season. Anything else was a bonus EDIT : Not that his plan worked when it did eventually happen No. He budgetted for us finishing in the spot above the relegation places, and for us exiting the cups at the first hurdle. As and when we beat those benchmarks, so the budget changed. And to his credit he was also one of the pioneers for inserting relegation clauses into players' contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 I would hope/think that what has happened is we have enquired about loads of players - know everyones price, availability, interest in moving here etc and then in the last week firm up who we want and move for them. Im sure during the summer we have had discussions about player ie Matt Phillips, been told the price required to get them and then you go away see who else is available etc and then if you want the player you go back in for them. The Ramirez deal is particularly complicated but Im sure we have targets we know we can move quickly on if we decide to, and some of this can stay out of the media. In certain positions we need bodies ie CB but I would still obviously want us to get someone even if maybe our top targets werent available. However, as far as a left back goes there is no point bringing one in if they arent better than what we have because we don't need extra numbers there. I would imagine our process is a lot more organised albeit in the midst of the crazy, changing world of football, then some think. I would point to last season where the club needed a CB and simply ran their finger down the CB page in "The Big Book of Players 2011/12 Edition" and ended up settling with Jos. We got lucky and unlikely such a strategy will work again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulGilchrist_76 Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Tick Tock - moment of truth approaching.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Transfer news coming up on the OS shortly according to Sibley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 August, 2012 Share Posted 28 August, 2012 Could it possibly be anyone different to Ramirez? I very much doubt it, but you live in hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 29 August, 2012 Share Posted 29 August, 2012 Norwich have signed a keeper today. Perhaps they've had an offer for Ruddy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Once Rodriguez, Clyne and Davis settle we will have 3 top 10 standard PL players in our team. All 3 of those are coups for a club of our current stature. I'm looking at who WHU have bought and I can't see anyone of any note, Reading have kind of followed the same route as us but lesser quality. Teams like Wigan have done diddly squat. Our business so far as been excellent, if you're not pleased with that then you're never going to be pleased. How's this going so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 How's this going so far? And the point of bouncing this is, for what exactly? You just prove exactly the fact that people like you just want ti be proven right, you don't care if we do well or not, you just want to be proven right and you will revel in our demise to promote the fact. End of story. What's wrong with believing in what we had? I wanted another CB, and a LB - I posted as such, and was a bit frustrated we didn't do it. But I didn't expect the likes of Fonte, Jos and even Fox to do as bad as they are. I don't think anyone really did, I thought they'd need to be replaced but I didn't think they were as bad as they're proving this year. Davis and Clyne have proven to be pretty successful as well for what it's worth, and Rodriguez is still a very good player who will prove alot of fickle people wrong. And wasn't the whole point of this thread made to look a little silly anyway, once we went for Gaston Ramirez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 How's this going so far? Oh dear.... In fairness, S-Clarke has put his hand up and admitted he over-estimated the ability of some of our players. Pity some of our other contributors dont have as much humility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 October, 2012 And the point of bouncing this is, for what exactly? You just prove exactly the fact that people like you just want ti be proven right, you don't care if we do well or not, you just want to be proven right and you will revel in our demise to promote the fact. End of story. What's wrong with believing in what we had? I wanted another CB, and a LB - I posted as such, and was a bit frustrated we didn't do it. But I didn't expect the likes of Fonte, Jos and even Fox to do as bad as they are. I don't think anyone really did, I thought they'd need to be replaced but I didn't think they were as bad as they're proving this year. Davis and Clyne have proven to be pretty successful as well for what it's worth, and Rodriguez is still a very good player who will prove alot of fickle people wrong. And wasn't the whole point of this thread made to look a little silly anyway, once we went for Gaston Ramirez? Calm down, this isn't about Saints, and nowhere have I revelled in how bad we are this Season. Surely the fact that I was that bothered during the Summer that we weren't buying the correct players in the correct positions shows this? I was just wanting to know if you still believe that once they have settled (which should be now), they are top 10 quality Premiership players. Considering how much sh!t you gave me over the Summer, surely I'm allowed a little schadenfreude in response to you, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 29 October, 2012 Share Posted 29 October, 2012 Is anybody slightly worried at the quality of footballers we're being linked with? Personally the players we've bought are alright, but I yhink they're lacking in real quality, even compared to mid table Prem teams. Players like Scott Dann for instance. We need to be aiming higher than poor Premiership players who had one lucky season sat in a 10-0-0 formation. I wonder if we're struggling to attract players due to the amount of money we're willing to spend/pay in wages, or due to Adkins not being a big name draw? Anyone else a little worried? No point in being worried. The time to strengthen the Team was PRE season. For some reason, they didn't bother with the Defence. Too late now. Come January, NO Top Quality Prem player will be the slightest bit interested in joining a struggling side, so we might just as well save our money for a Promotion push from the CCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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