Lack of quality activity...

[maysie]

Are people objecting to Goodwillie because of his playing ability or his 'incident' record? He's not a great player, but better than Fonte imo and would add depth in numbers.

 

Doubt we're lining up a striker for CB...

[LGTL]

We don't need a striker, and he has a ridiculous name. For those reasons, no thanks.

[VectisSaint]

 

2 wingers,SDR is obviously not in contention,Lee is not fit (yet) and unproven,and what is happening to Punch is anyone's guess?

Lee is not a winger. He may play left or right of a front 3, but that does not and never will make him a winger. He is a striker. And the sooner he is available again the better.

[Appy]

Why does everyone think Lee is the saviour? He didn't look all that great in the Championship.

[pangy]

Lee is not a winger. He may play left or right of a front 3, but that does not and never will make him a winger. He is a striker. And the sooner he is available again the better.

 

 

I know he is a striker but there is no chance he will play in the middle of the font 3,hence why I classed him as a winger

[alpine_saint]

Really? You dont find it enlightening to see in print how you swing from one extreme to the other with no shades of grey in between? In a week?

 

Nope. How can something be enlightening if you are already fully aware of it ?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Are people objecting to Goodwillie because of his playing ability or his 'incident' record? He's not a great player, but better than Fonte imo and would add depth in numbers.

 

Buctootim shows he knows f all about football in a hilarious post about Goodwillie being better than Fonte.

 

Read this hilarious post in todays version of The Saints Web, 'Some posters are just here to make up the numbers'.

[buctootim]

Buctootim shows he knows f all about football in,a hilarious post about Goodwillie being better than Fonte.

 

Read this hilarious thread in todays version of The Saints Web, 'Some posters are just here to make up the numbers'.

 

Go you. I made a mistake in one post by getting one player mixed up with another. You post sh ite in the majority of your wailing missives.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Go you. I made a mistake in one post by getting one player mixed up with another. You post sh ite in the majority of your wailing missives.

 

Who'd you get him mixed up with?

[Norm]

Goodwillie is a striker. Fonte is a defender. HTH.

 

He may have meant Forte.

[Aura]

Still None and only 3 days left

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Still None and only 3 days left

 

I wouldn't even start. Having your own opinions that are contrary to the vocal masses is a bad idea, you'll just get insulted.

 

Just tow the party line that the club has tried extremely hard since the beginning of the Summer, and that we will sign 2 x CB's, 1 x LB and a winger in the last 3 days, and that the Wigan game was a freebie anyway (which was why we didn't need to sign these players prior to the start of the season).

Edited 28 August, 2012 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[stmusicdude]

Man C proved that we have the potential to stay up. I have been making clear that we need to add quality all week, however.

 

Wigan has probably shown more where we are currently in the scheme of things. And it does not make good viewing.

 

I dont really see any contraditction, to be honest.

 

Your posting is very childish.

 

You cry like a baby at name calling often on here .. then this .. poster made a valid point.

You enjoy the banter & conflicts etc .. you remind me of those pillocks on talksport who spout stuff just to entise a response

So POT Kettle black

[MarkSFC]

so there is around 84 hours left in order to sign at least 4 players of real quality, i.e. better than we have. It will be interesting to see how this pans out and how many people (and the press) coin the phrase "panic buys" with us.

 

I have been confident all along that we would sign the necessary numbers and quality in order to be mid table competitive but we now MUST sign one player a day!!

[Saint Charlie]

Reckon Ramirez, a pacy winger and 1 x CB would be good as long as they are of the needed quality (obviously Ramirez is).

 

Notgetting any of these would leave us short. Getting them would be 7 decent signings IMO with January to boost us if needed.

 

If we also got another CB and a left back then they would be fantastic as extras.

[Dig Dig]

I wouldn't even start. Having your own opinions that are contrary to the vocal masses is a bad idea, you'll just get insulted.

 

Just tow the party line that the club has tried extremely hard since the beginning of the Summer, and that we will sign 2 x CB's, 1 x LB and a winger in the last 3 days, and that the Wigan game was a freebie anyway (which was why we didn't need to sign these players prior to the start of the season).

 

Nearly every club in the prem will be doing their business right up until transfer deadline day. Almost always the same every year. Why do you expect it to be different for Saints? Especially when we ARE trying to bring in quality, not just players to make up the numbers.

 

The thing is DPS, you complain about not being able to voice an alternative opinion but some elements of what you have been posting this summer just comes across as someone who is looking for things to complain about as your gripes tend to shift and change on a daily basis.....so far you've been unhappy about the quality of the players we have bought in, the lack of transfer rumours (hence this thread), the lack of quality rumours, lack of prem experience and the fact that we haven't done all our business. A side from signing some players in your suspect looking list of "good" tranfers on July 1st, I'm not sure what would make you happy.

[Webby]

so there is around 84 hours left in order to sign at least 4 players of real quality, i.e. better than we have. It will be interesting to see how this pans out and how many people (and the press) coin the phrase "panic buys" with us.

 

I have been confident all along that we would sign the necessary numbers and quality in order to be mid table competitive but we now MUST sign one player a day!!

Or, you know, like, 4 players in one day.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Nearly every club in the prem will be doing their business right up until transfer deadline day. Almost always the same every year. Why do you expect it to be different for Saints? Especially when we ARE trying to bring in quality, not just players to make up the numbers.

 

The thing is DPS, you complain about not being able to voice an alternative opinion but some elements of what you have been posting this summer just comes across as someone who is looking for things to complain about as your gripes tend to shift and change on a daily basis.....so far you've been unhappy about the quality of the players we have bought in, the lack of transfer rumours (hence this thread), the lack of quality rumours, lack of prem experience and the fact that we haven't done all our business. A side from signing some players in your suspect looking list of "good" tranfers on July 1st, I'm not sure what would make you happy.

 

What I wanted was as follows:

 

Good quality

Premiership ability (not one for the future)

Top division experience (not just Prem)

Prior to the first game of the Season so that they could bed in

 

For the following positions:

 

CB x 2

LB x 1

RB x 1

CM x 1

RW x 1

ST x 1

 

So far we have managed to fill 2 of those spots going by the above parameters (Davis and Clyne (hope he continues to prove me wrong)).

 

The problem with doing business late is it means we will invariably pay more for players. There was no real excuse as to why a lot of this business (not all) could not have been done prior to the last week of the transfer window. But, and I'll stress this, is my opinion on the matter.

[alpine_saint]

What I wanted was as follows:

 

Good quality

Premiership ability (not one for the future)

Top division experience (not just Prem)

Prior to the first game of the Season so that they could bed in

 

For the following positions:

 

CB x 2

LB x 1

RB x 1

CM x 1

RW x 1

ST x 1

 

So far we have managed to fill 2 of those spots going by the above parameters (Davis and Clyne (hope he continues to prove me wrong)).

 

The problem with doing business late is it means we will invariably pay more for players. There was no real excuse as to why a lot of this business (not all) could not have been done prior to the last week of the transfer window. But, and I'll stress this, is my opinion on the matter.

 

Well, we got a reserve GK too. But the rest I agree with.

 

3 players in 3.5 months. And we need to get 4, maybe 5, in 3.5 days.

 

What a cluster-f**k...

[Saint Charlie]

Well, we got a reserve GK too. But the rest I agree with.

 

3 players in 3.5 months. And we need to get 4, maybe 5, in 3.5 days.

 

What a cluster-f**k...

 

Its just the madness of football - all clubs are in the same position and its why the window should have shut Friday 5pm before the first weekend of action.

[The Kraken]

Its just the madness of football - all clubs are in the same position and its why the window should have shut Friday 5pm before the first weekend of action.

 

No, not all clubs are in the same position. Many of our peers have either completed their summer dealings already, or are holding out for just one or two players. We're around 4 or 5 players short of our earlier stated summer ambition.

 

But you're right that the window should shut on the first day of the season, its crazy to have it open for just a couple of weeks following kick off.

[alpine_saint]

No, not all clubs are in the same position. Many of our peers have either completed their summer dealings already, or are holding out for just one or two players. We're around 4 or 5 players short of our earlier stated summer ambition.

 

But you're right that the window should shut on the first day of the season, its crazy to have it open for just a couple of weeks following kick off.

 

Whats the historical motivation for this ? To allow clubs to make good on sudden injuries that occur in the first couple of competitive games ?

[Dig Dig]

What I wanted was as follows:

 

Good quality

Premiership ability (not one for the future)

Top division experience (not just Prem)

Prior to the first game of the Season so that they could bed in

 

For the following positions:

 

CB x 2

LB x 1

RB x 1

CM x 1

RW x 1

ST x 1

 

So far we have managed to fill 2 of those spots going by the above parameters (Davis and Clyne (hope he continues to prove me wrong)).

 

The problem with doing business late is it means we will invariably pay more for players. There was no real excuse as to why a lot of this business (not all) could not have been done prior to the last week of the transfer window. But, and I'll stress this, is my opinion on the matter.

 

 

It's all mostly subjective though. The club can't base it's transfer policy around your parameters and what you would like to see. I'm sure every player we have signed this summer have been deemed good enough for the prem and those that we are likely to complete this week sound like they will improve what we already have quite extensively. You've already admitted you have been proved wrong by Clyne and Rodriguez could do the same when not playing in a position which doesn't suit him or us.

 

As for there being "no real excuse" as to why we couldn't have got players in sooner......we're not the only variable involved in trying to bring players in. If you want players of quality whose clubs are fighting tooth and nail to keep them, it's never easy and takes time...as has been shown time and time again. Politics and ultimately money will talk in the end but to suggest that it's easy just waltz up to a club and player and sign them when it suits you is naive. We could have signed loads of players by now granted, but they probably won't be the players which improve the team like those that are worth waiting and playing the games for.

 

Just because you don't feel that the club are meeting your own bespoke parameters, doesn't mean you have to go from thread to thread sounding like a broken record. It's just an opinion which is no more valid than anyone else's. What you don't seem to understand is what you say and how you say it plus the frequency of when you say it makes it sound like you're talking from a position of certainty and knowledge when the reality is very different.

[The Kraken]

Whats the historical motivation for this ? To allow clubs to make good on sudden injuries that occur in the first couple of competitive games ?

 

I can only think it must be something like that. Or for clubs to think "Oh God, our team is actually much sh*tter than we first thought, better buy some players".

[Saint Charlie]

No, not all clubs are in the same position. Many of our peers have either completed their summer dealings already, or are holding out for just one or two players. We're around 4 or 5 players short of our earlier stated summer ambition.

 

But you're right that the window should shut on the first day of the season, its crazy to have it open for just a couple of weeks following kick off.

 

We will bring in 3 players I think, 7 in total and some good quality amongst them.

[Dalek2003]

The advantage of getting players early in the summer is that it is easier to create the team blend and spirit in pre-season.

 

I would have thought that, and the possibility of hitting the ground running was worth paying a little extra for.

 

However, IMO staying in this league, whilst the aim, is not as important as remaining financially prudent.

[alpine_saint]

It's all mostly subjective though. The club can't base it's transfer policy around your parameters and what you would like to see. I'm sure every player we have signed this summer have been deemed good enough for the prem and those that we are likely to complete this week sound like they will improve what we already have quite extensively. You've already admitted you have been proved wrong by Clyne and Rodriguez could do the same when not playing in a position which doesn't suit him or us.

 

As for there being "no real excuse" as to why we couldn't have got players in sooner......we're not the only variable involved in trying to bring players in. If you want players of quality whose clubs are fighting tooth and nail to keep them, it's never easy and takes time...as has been shown time and time again. Politics and ultimately money will talk in the end but to suggest that it's easy just waltz up to a club and player and sign them when it suits you is naive. We could have signed loads of players by now granted, but they probably won't be the players which improve the team like those that are worth waiting and playing the games for.

 

Just because you don't feel that the club are meeting your own bespoke parameters, doesn't mean you have to go from thread to thread sounding like a broken record. It's just an opinion which is no more valid than anyone else's. What you don't seem to understand is what you say and how you say it plus the frequency of when you say it makes it sound like you're talking from a position of certainty and knowledge when the reality is very different.

 

Which is why NA went on record himself about these positions

 

I wonder if in retrospect he thinks that was a mistake...

[The Kraken]

We will bring in 3 players I think, 7 in total and some good quality amongst them.

 

My prediction is 2; Ramirez (or another winger) and a centre back. Which then potentially leaves us scratching around for a GK, second centre back and/or left back, or leave further business until the January window.

[Thedelldays]

Which is why NA went on record himself about these positions

 

I wonder if in retrospect he thinks that was a mistake...

so, if asked about being happy with the window/business when it shuts and adkins says he is happy...will you shut up?

[alpine_saint]

so, if asked about being happy with the window/business when it shuts and adkins says he is happy...will you shut up?

 

Why is he likely to do that when he has closed very few of his targets ?

 

Oh, I am sure he will say it, but we will all know its complete b*ll*cks.

[Thedelldays]

Why is he likely to do that when he has closed very few of his targets ?

 

Oh, I am sure he will say it, but we will all know its complete b*ll*cks.

oh...

[alpine_saint]

My prediction is 2; Ramirez (or another winger) and a centre back. Which then potentially leaves us scratching around for a GK, second centre back and/or left back, or leave further business until the January window.

 

By which time we will be adrift.

[Thedelldays]

By which time we will be adrift.

sweet....this means we won't be

[Dalek2003]

Why is he likely to do that when he has closed very few of his targets ?

 

Oh, I am sure he will say it, but we will all know its complete b*ll*cks.

 

OK, please hear me out. Do you think we are really serious about staying up or just naive. Also, are we perhaps adopting the 'yoyo' strategy successfully employed by WBA and possibly Blackpool ?

[Dig Dig]

Which is why NA went on record himself about these positions

 

I wonder if in retrospect he thinks that was a mistake...

 

Don't polarise what I write.....we all know it's a tried and tested technique of yours. All NA has ever alluded to is the positions which need strengthening......not one person is disputing that. Any manager will also say that they would like signings sooner rather than later, nothing new there.

 

DPS has not just laid out positions but has been critical of the players we have bought in as well. If you're going to continue to use Adkins to justify your position (which is stupid really) then we should all be happy with the signings thus far ,yes? Adkins seems to like them all.

Edited 28 August, 2012 by Dig Dig

[Saint Charlie]

OK, please hear me out. Do you think we are really serious about staying up or just naive. Also, are we perhaps adopting the 'yoyo' strategy successfully employed by WBA and possibly Blackpool ?

 

The signing of Ramirez would say that its not a yoyo strategy that is desired. I don't think Clyne was sold the club on that basis either.

 

Cortese is a businessman. He knows that the Sky money is rocketing next year - being relegated would be very bad news - all our decent players would leave - a squad we have been building for 3 years...

[alpine_saint]

OK, please hear me out. Do you think we are really serious about staying up or just naive. Also, are we perhaps adopting the 'yoyo' strategy successfully employed by WBA and possibly Blackpool ?

 

I dont believe your "yo-yo" theory. I think we are serious - to a point.

 

I dont know if there is a steak of naiivety, arrogance, stubborness or a mixture of all of them going on.

[alpine_saint]

Don't polarise what I write.....we all know it's a tried and tested technique of yours. All NA has ever alluded to is the positions which need strengthening......not one person is disputing that. Any manager will also say that they would like signings sooner rather than later, nothing new there.

 

DPS has not just laid out positions but has been critical of the players we have bought in as well. If you're going to continue to use Adkins to justify your position (which is stpuid really) then we should all be happy with the signings thus far ,yes? Adkins seems to like them all.

 

The signings so far do what is written on the tin, yes.

 

But there hasnt been enough of them, and we've shown an odd sense of prioritisation. It seems we went after J-Rod early this year just on a matter of principle that we'd been tracking him so long.

 

Then we play him out of position, but thats another story.....

[Thedelldays]

how is it...every single time (literally) alpine starts with the reactionary, aggressive postings...a thread deteriorates into a slug fest......in the words of mario balotelli..."why always him"

[Dalek2003]

The signing of Ramirez would say that its not a yoyo strategy that is desired. I don't think Clyne was sold the club on that basis either.

 

Cortese is a businessman. He knows that the Sky money is rocketing next year - being relegated would be very bad news - all our decent players would leave - a squad we have been building for 3 years...

 

Ok then could we a bit naive, inexperienced or wrong in our transfer strategy ? I take your point though, at the ned of the transfer window if we have done nothing then perhaps we could say NC is a businessman who is prepared to take big gambles.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

OK, please hear me out. Do you think we are really serious about staying up or just naive. Also, are we perhaps adopting the 'yoyo' strategy successfully employed by WBA and possibly Blackpool ?

 

I honestly don't believe we are trying to adopt this strategy. However, I do feel this Summers transfers have been poorly thought out/scouted based on the supposed ambitions of the Chairman/Manager.

[alpine_saint]

how is it...every single time (literally) alpine starts with the reactionary, aggressive postings...a thread deteriorates into a slug fest......in the words of mario balotelli..."why always him"

 

Your are one of the ones guilty of abuse on here. Yes, the temperature of the posting has raised significantly, but that is not a bad thing if it is kept civil, it makes for a more energetic debate, which most people are capable of. Sadly, you dont appear to be one of them, hence your incessant whining....

[Dalek2003]

I dont believe your "yo-yo" theory. I think we are serious - to a point.

 

I dont know if there is a steak of naiivety, arrogance, stubborness or a mixture of all of them going on.

 

I am intrigued by 'serious to a point' Are you suggesting that NC has abudget in mind and he ain't budging come what may ?

 

Would this not by default suggest that NC will accept the possibility of relegation ?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It's all mostly subjective though. The club can't base it's transfer policy around your parameters and what you would like to see. I'm sure every player we have signed this summer have been deemed good enough for the prem and those that we are likely to complete this week sound like they will improve what we already have quite extensively. You've already admitted you have been proved wrong by Clyne and Rodriguez could do the same when not playing in a position which doesn't suit him or us.

 

As for there being "no real excuse" as to why we couldn't have got players in sooner......we're not the only variable involved in trying to bring players in. If you want players of quality whose clubs are fighting tooth and nail to keep them, it's never easy and takes time...as has been shown time and time again. Politics and ultimately money will talk in the end but to suggest that it's easy just waltz up to a club and player and sign them when it suits you is naive. We could have signed loads of players by now granted, but they probably won't be the players which improve the team like those that are worth waiting and playing the games for.

 

Just because you don't feel that the club are meeting your own bespoke parameters, doesn't mean you have to go from thread to thread sounding like a broken record. It's just an opinion which is no more valid than anyone else's. What you don't seem to understand is what you say and how you say it plus the frequency of when you say it makes it sound like you're talking from a position of certainty and knowledge when the reality is very different.

 

I take your point, but at the same time I also believe there has been very poor planning on the transfer front. Of course, there is no way to prove this either way, I just feel that we could have done a far better job so far in this market, this Summer.

[Dig Dig]

The signings so far do what is written on the tin, yes.

 

But there hasnt been enough of them, and we've shown an odd sense of prioritisation. It seems we went after J-Rod early this year just on a matter of principle that we'd been tracking him so long.

 

Then we play him out of position, but thats another story.....

 

Again, talking as if you're coming a position of knowledge and certainty....so we only signed Rodgriuez out of principle now? We can add this little gem next to the NC only chasing Ramirez as a wind up.

 

And you wonder why your opinions are so often very poorly recieved?

[Dalek2003]

Your are one of the ones guilty of abuse on here. Yes, the temperature of the posting has raised significantly, but that is not a bad thing if it is kept civil, it makes for a more energetic debate, which most people are capable of. Sadly, you dont appear to be one of them, hence your incessant whining....

 

Post of the week !

[alpine_saint]

I am intrigued by 'serious to a point' Are you suggesting that NC has abudget in mind and he ain't budging come what may ?

 

Would this not by default suggest that NC will accept the possibility of relegation ?

 

No, the "to the point" suggests to me an upper limit to his capabilities, and he's reached that this summer with his negotiation results. I think hes struggled to deal with other clubs and chairmen saying "no".

 

All imo, of course...

[The Kraken]

I honestly don't believe we are trying to adopt this strategy. However, I do feel this Summers transfers have been poorly thought out/scouted based on the supposed ambitions of the Chairman/Manager.

 

How do you come to that conclusion? JRod I'd concur is a bizarre transfer; Steven Davis looks like being just what we need, an experienced and quality head in the middle of the park. Clyne looks to be a very good signing, one for right now and for the future. And Gazza is clearly one who is going to challenge Kelvin pretty soon.

 

We haven't made enough transfers, that's of course not for debate, its a fact. But I would struggle to be overly critical of the trabsfers we've actually made; JRod aside they're pretty self-explanatory I'd have thought.

[Dig Dig]

I take your point, but at the same time I also believe there has been very poor planning on the transfer front. Of course, there is no way to prove this either way, I just feel that we could have done a far better job so far in this market, this Summer.

 

And I may or may not agree with you come the end of transfer deadline day. I think this is a fairly consistent view of those who have not agreed with your frustrations to date.

[alpine_saint]

Again, talking as if you're coming a position of knowledge and certainty....so we only signed Rodgriuez out of principle now? We can add this little gem next to the NC only chasing Ramirez as a wind up.

 

And you wonder why your opinions are so often very poorly recieved?

 

Wow, how can someone read and understand quite so badly as this ???