Minty Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Agreed to a point, but as time passes without further additions when we've been told we are looking at players, the concerns are going to rise. I'd also say that given the tendency for the club to sit out some of our signings to get them to fitness without playing matches (Sharp most obviously), it's in our interests to sign players earlier rather than later. We haven't done that for the positions Adkins still says we're looking to strengthen, for whatever reasons. I agree entirely. I still don't see any justification for some of the criticism of the club when people don't know what is happening. The 'For whatever reasons' seems to automatically become 'because we've done something wrong' to some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 We don't know the full story with Ward and Gorkss either, but it seems we're happy to jump to conclusions. That's my whole point. Why the assumptions that just because transfers haven't been completed it was a fault at Saints? We know the direct quotes of the player and his then manager as to what happened. Not many conclusions to jump to, are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 We know the direct quotes of the player and his then manager as to what happened. Not many conclusions to jump to, are there? So we've heard one side of a story? Would you want to be tried on that basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 So we've heard one side of a story? Would you want to be tried on that basis? We didn't hear one side though, we heard two sides. Gorkss himself said he heard nothing more from the club so ended up going to Reading. Whatever the rights and wrongs of whether we should have signed him or not, its a shoddy way to do business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 We didn't hear one side though, we heard two sides. Gorkss himself said he heard nothing more from the club so ended up going to Reading. Whatever the rights and wrongs of whether we should have signed him or not, its a shoddy way to do business. Possibly. If it's true. Players, agents, managers and clubs have said all sorts of things in the past to deflect attention from their own shortcomings, and I'm sure Saints are no different. I'm not saying we're whiter than white because obviously that's not the case, and as I've said a few times now, I am concerned that we need to make a few signings too, but I just some are a little too quick to jump on our own clubs back at times when we we simply cannot be certain what has happened with any transfer, either completed or otherwise. One thing I guess we can all agree on though: The sooner some signings are made, the sooner we have something tangible to moan about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 We didn't hear one side though, we heard two sides. Gorkss himself said he heard nothing more from the club so ended up going to Reading. Whatever the rights and wrongs of whether we should have signed him or not, its a shoddy way to do business. Football is a ruthless game, the amounts of money changing hands are ridiculous. If you aren't 100% sure on something it doesn't get done. You don't have to give reasons, its your perogative before spending millions. There would have been a reason why we dithered on Gorkss, whether financial, player quality, agent fees etc - we don't have the facts so are only commenting on half stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Football is a ruthless game, the amounts of money changing hands are ridiculous. If you aren't 100% sure on something it doesn't get done. You don't have to give reasons, its your perogative before spending millions. There would have been a reason why we dithered on Gorkss, whether financial, player quality, agent fees etc - we don't have the facts so are only commenting on half stories. Ward was apparently on his way to sign a deal when he found out. According to Pat who has contacts within football he had made arrangements to move here. Getting a deal to that point and then pulling out doesn't strike me as typical behaviour that every club engages in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Football is a ruthless game, the amounts of money changing hands are ridiculous. If you aren't 100% sure on something it doesn't get done. You don't have to give reasons, its your perogative before spending millions. There would have been a reason why we dithered on Gorkss, whether financial, player quality, agent fees etc - we don't have the facts so are only commenting on half stories. You're missing my point. I'm not saying we definitely should have bought Gorkss (although he clearly was a great signing for Reading). What I'm saying is that we got well down the road in negotiations with 3 players, and then for various reasons didn't complete on the deal. The Fontaine deal in particular showed an extreme naievety in carrying out the necessary research, scouting and evaluation of the player (up until he popped out of the taxi on his crutches FFS). This doesn't set a brilliant trend, however you try and spin it and say we don't know the full story. Whether that's happened this summer I have no idea at all, and don't really care. i just hope we've learnt from previous mistakes and that the players we go for are the right players, and ones that we'll actually sign, because time is running out fast and we can't afford a saga for every single transfer we're yet to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Ward was apparently on his way to sign a deal when he found out. According to Pat who has contacts within football he had made arrangements to move here. Getting a deal to that point and then pulling out doesn't strike me as typical behaviour that every club engages in. I agree, his house had been put on the market etc (from what I heard). Leaves a bad taste in the mouth and is frankly embarrassing. This is all backed up by agents/media assersions that we are really difficult to deal with. I think the issues over the last couple of years may be holding us back with agents advising players against joining us possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 You're missing my point. I'm not saying we definitely should have bought Gorkss (although he clearly was a great signing for Reading). What I'm saying is that we got well down the road in negotiations with 3 players, and then for various reasons didn't complete on the deal. The Fontaine deal in particular showed an extreme naievety in carrying out the necessary research, scouting and evaluation of the player (up until he popped out of the taxi on his crutches FFS). This doesn't set a brilliant trend, however you try and spin it and say we don't know the full story. Whether that's happened this summer I have no idea at all, and don't really care. i just hope we've learnt from previous mistakes and that the players we go for are the right players, and ones that we'll actually sign, because time is running out fast and we can't afford a saga for every single transfer we're yet to make. Fair enough - I guess pre internet etc we didn't really know what was going on in so much detail. There is so much (too much) information these days and everything moves so fast and is very competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I agree, his house had been put on the market etc (from what I heard). Leaves a bad taste in the mouth and is frankly embarrassing. This is all backed up by agents/media assersions that we are really difficult to deal with. I think the issues over the last couple of years may be holding us back with agents advising players against joining us possibly? And the point on this needs to be stressed. There is a very big difference between being a hard negotiator and striking the best transfer fee for your club, than to being awkward and difficult to deal with such that you put off players and clubs so that they actively search out another buying club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Bit of a bummer with our champions league aspirations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 It is worth remembering though, that for all the players there may have been issues with, there have been signings where there have seemingly been no problems whatsoever, so whilst it is absolutely fair to question what may have happened in some of these case, it should also be viewed in context amongst the signings who've spoken highly of the club and the way we've conducted ourselves (Rangers and Palace the most recent examples). As always, I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle and we're destined to never really know what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Can't believe this thread is still going to be honest. We all have different ideas of what positions we're short in, who we should try to sign for those positions, and how we're going to perform this season. What we DO know for certain is that NA has stated that he wants to bring more players in and the club are trying to do just that. Beyond that we know NOTHING about what is happening behind the scenes to make it happen, and any 'conclusions' that anyone has come to about NA, NC, our budget, or anything transfer related is pure speculation. The thread is going round in circles... most people have their position and are trying and failing to convince others that they are right. None of us are. Only hindsight will tell us. Personally, I think we need at least one CB, possibly two, and a creative attacking midfielder. I have faith in the club and staff that they're doing everything they can to sign players. Posting about it all the time won't change anything, so I'll let them get on with it and see what happens. I think some people need to chill out a bit. Actually, I dont think we do. Everyone is saying CB, and some pace. This will be my last summer banging on about our transfer activity. We've been through countless managers and chairmen, and now we have an apparently stable incumbent for both, if we still cannot properly prepare ourselves for the season start, especially as it is our first hard-fought for season back in the English Premier League, the top level of club football in England and arguably the world, and the unique challenges that will present, then I am forced to conclude that we will NEVER be properly prepared for a new season start..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Actually, I dont think we do. Everyone is saying CB, and some pace. This will be my last summer banging on about our transfer activity. We've been through countless managers and chairmen, and now we have an apparently stable incumbent for both, if we cannot properly prepare ourselves for our first hard-fought for season back in the English Premier League, the top level of club football in England, and arguably the world, and the unique challenges that will present, then I have concluded we will NEVER be properly prepared for a new season start..... I saw an article the other day saying Silva and Balotelli might not be ready for the first game. How can they not be? They aren't injured - just not fit apparantly. Madness. If you go on all fans websites you will see a thread like this. Spurs have only Defoe as a striker at their club. Sunderland havne't signed anyone. West ham are struggling to bring quality in, Swansea have signed a few but are also losing their three best players. Its just what football is like. A step would be to close the window before the first game (I feel strongly this should be the case) and maybe this would make a difference. The point is that everyone plays cat and mouse until the last couple of weeks and then things start happening. Its just how it is, don't be suprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 A step would be to close the window before the first game (I feel strongly this should be the case) and maybe this would make a difference. That would get my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 That would get my vote. I think it would help. In the case of Jarvis and Fletcher at Wolves or Olsson at Blackburn - the clubs know they will leave - they just want the highest price which they get through dragging it out, creating a bidding war and making players desparate. Im pretty sure Fletcher will barely play for Wolves at the start of the season and then will leave in the week before the window shuts - its just a game that everyone has to play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Think a few prem managers have said the same thing, can see it happening in the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 That's in nine days - unless we're happy writing off the first couple of matches or confident of getting something from Wigan without new signings. Either way, it's 20 days to the closure of the Window. The Wigan game is the key, we can lose the other 3 and people (hopefully) won't think too much of it - if we lose at home to Wigan the wrist-slitters and "told you so"s will be out in force. As it happens, I think we need a GK, a LB (could turn out to be Shaw), 2 CBs (could be Stephens), two CMs (which could be moot if Davis/Ward-Prowse are up to it), a wide right midfielder and possibly even a proven top flight striker by the end of January, but I doubt we'll get more more than 3 of them before September. Every season it gets bunched up to the last few days, even longer with the squad system now. The top teams and others have not completely sorted out their squads and as yet cannot confirm who will be definitely staying or going. Most of the players wanted by clubs become available when they are not included in the squad and then get made available for temporary transfers. If you want the real quality players that can make a difference you just have to wait until the top clubs all over Europe have made their minds up. Our season will be heavily influenced by those quality players we manage to get in before all the windows close. To me it looks like our squad is too light to survive but if we want that extra quality I don't see a practical alternative unless you start splashing out silly money. Even then you are looking at maybe's like Jarvis, there's no guarantees better players will take you on until they see the cold light of day and forced into a move to be able to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Most of the players wanted by clubs become available when they are not included in the squad and then get made available for temporary transfers. If you want the real quality players that can make a difference you just have to wait until the top clubs all over Europe have made their minds up. Our season will be heavily influenced by those quality players we manage to get in before all the windows close. Sorry, but this simply isn't true. It was an excuse wheeled out last season and the season before; that the 25-man squad restriction would mean that we needed to wait for squads to be announced and then go for the out of favour players. It doesn't work out like; most clubs will have their squad level under control, I think last year only something like 4 or 5 notable senior players didn't make their team squad list and thus became available for transfer. The year before much the same, Michael Kightly was famously one left out as he was injured. To me it looks like our squad is too light to survive but if we want that extra quality I don't see a practical alternative unless you start splashing out silly money. Even then you are looking at maybe's like Jarvis, there's no guarantees better players will take you on until they see the cold light of day and forced into a move to be able to play. I'm not sure if I agree totally. Yes, the UK transfer market is stupidly inflated, but that doesn't mean there aren't bargains to be had. I personally would quite like an ageing CB, say 32 or 33 with a couple of very good years left in him and who can come in and marshall the defence and get a grip on the team. In much the same way that Radhi Jaidi did with us in League 1. I think QPR have made a very good signing in Ryan Nelsen in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I feel genuine pity for people who need to do that. My life is too full to waste my time tracking down who-made-what-silly-comment in the heat of the moment, years in the past, that is utterly irrelevant to the current discussion , to provide personal abuse ammo for the latest dispute. Its really quite sad... Nah Trousers was sticking up for you Alps cos you never posted in that whole thread!I mean there was a lot of bedwetting going on but your pants was completely dry! You was probably off in some other part of the forum being quietly supportive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Every season it gets bunched up to the last few days, even longer with the squad system now. The top teams and others have not completely sorted out their squads and as yet cannot confirm who will be definitely staying or going. Most of the players wanted by clubs become available when they are not included in the squad and then get made available for temporary transfers. If you want the real quality players that can make a difference you just have to wait until the top clubs all over Europe have made their minds up. Our season will be heavily influenced by those quality players we manage to get in before all the windows close. To me it looks like our squad is too light to survive but if we want that extra quality I don't see a practical alternative unless you start splashing out silly money. Even then you are looking at maybe's like Jarvis, there's no guarantees better players will take you on until they see the cold light of day and forced into a move to be able to play. To be honest I think that was a fair argument when we were in League One, hoping for Championship players to fall out of favour, but I don't think it's particularly relevant as a Prem club - there aren't many deals between two Prem sides and with the elevated status you suddenly become appealing to a vast swathe of overseas players who wouldn't move to a non-Prem club. With the exception of a few Man U rejects signing for ex-Man U players who are now managers, this theory doesn't really hold weight in the Premier League. For instance, Robin Van Persie signing for Arsenal / Man City / Man Utd has no tangible impact on Saints whatsoever, we're not likely to be in for (say) Berbatov or Roque Santa Cruz, and they're not particularly likely to be signing for any other Prem sides and unsettling possible targets either. The market we seem to be in is proven Championship youngsters, possibly some recently relegated ex-Prem players (according to the papers, though we haven't signed any) and maybe some out of contract experienced Prem players who aren't past it. There are some moves which will impact target availability, but mostly I think we're in for people who aren't becoming available from being excluded from Prem 25s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Nah Trousers was sticking up for you Alps cos you never posted in that whole thread!I mean there was a lot of bedwetting going on but your pants was completely dry! You was probably off in some other part of the forum being quietly supportive! I believe (vague recollections as I was at the match and only checked the threads later for my own amusement) he may have been posting over-dramatic ranting nonsense early on the second half thread, as opposed to late on the first half one. I for one am impressed by trousers' use of the search facility, I can never find anything useful with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Sorry, but this simply isn't true. It was an excuse wheeled out last season and the season before; that the 25-man squad restriction would mean that we needed to wait for squads to be announced and then go for the out of favour players. It doesn't work out like; most clubs will have their squad level under control, I think last year only something like 4 or 5 notable senior players didn't make their team squad list and thus became available for transfer. The year before much the same, Michael Kightly was famously one left out as he was injured. No need for an apology, just opinions being expressed. I don't totally disagree with your comments but I believe that does over look the dance that goes on prior to that last window closing. A lot of those players will not be without a squad number with a couple of days to go because they have been bought or transferred already, but that is very unusual to happen at the start of the window. Then if you take a club like Saints, they would be more than likely interested in the late pick ups from mid to top clubs that only become available after they have picked up that better player. It's different waiting on one club, another when you are in a chain waiting upon two? We are not talking about a high volume of players here, but just one Bellamy would be enough to change a sides season. For that one, possibly two quality players that could make a real difference to Saints will normally come close to the final wire, with the current squad system having it's part in that. I'm not sure if I agree totally. Yes, the UK transfer market is stupidly inflated, but that doesn't mean there aren't bargains to be had. I personally would quite like an ageing CB, say 32 or 33 with a couple of very good years left in him and who can come in and marshall the defence and get a grip on the team. In much the same way that Radhi Jaidi did with us in League 1. I think QPR have made a very good signing in Ryan Nelsen in this regard. There are bargains to be had but with every bargain comes the uncertainty if they will fulfil the promise. We have plenty of promise from our recent buys, but nothing definite to say they will do the job required. The best we can say about our recent acquisitions is that they look better than we already have, nothing about if they are good enough for the Premier. Then looking at what we have been associated with are players from teams relegated last season with no takers from established clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I believe (vague recollections as I was at the match and only checked the threads later for my own amusement) he may have been posting over-dramatic ranting nonsense early on the second half thread, as opposed to late on the first half one. I for one am impressed by trousers' use of the search facility, I can never find anything useful with it. Easy really. Go to advanced search and then type into MK Dons but searching for thread title only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 No need for an apology, just opinions being expressed. I don't totally disagree with your comments but I believe that does over look the dance that goes on prior to that last window closing. A lot of those players will not be without a squad number with a couple of days to go because they have been bought or transferred already, but that is very unusual to happen at the start of the window. Then if you take a club like Saints, they would be more than likely interested in the late pick ups from mid to top clubs that only become available after they have picked up that better player. It's different waiting on one club, another when you are in a chain waiting upon two? We are not talking about a high volume of players here, but just one Bellamy would be enough to change a sides season. For that one, possibly two quality players that could make a real difference to Saints will normally come close to the final wire, with the current squad system having it's part in that. Again, I think this is much more relevant to Championship teams than "lower" Prem ones. It's a bit more true in January when teams who are in trouble throw everything at it and there are more intra-Prem transfers, but I just don't think players not wanted at the top are likely to sign for teams lower down - they either have prohibitive wage demands or feel they have better options in their home country or at a big club in a different league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 There are bargains to be had but with every bargain comes the uncertainty if they will fulfil the promise. We have plenty of promise from our recent buys, but nothing definite to say they will do the job required. The best we can say about our recent acquisitions is that they look better than we already have, nothing about if they are good enough for the Premier. Then looking at what we have been associated with are players from teams relegated last season with no takers from established clubs. Agree very much with that. Hence my statement that I'd love to see us sign an experienced head akin to Radhi to bring it all together. We've got a lot of youth throughout our squad already; Clyne, Cork, Scheniderlin, JWP, Rodriguez, Gazzaniga all comfortably under 25, Lallana an experienced head at 24. 2 of our 3 older, experienced heads are the centre backs we're looking to improve on, so I think its imprative we replace experience with experience (albeit of a higher level). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 9 Days from our first match against last seasons prem winners and I was hoping that we would have our complete side already working together. I have no doubt that NA will get a couple more in before the transfer window closes as he has stated, but not the best way to start in the top flight with a incomplete side if he does not get them in and grounded before season start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Nah Trousers was sticking up for you Alps cos you never posted in that whole thread!I mean there was a lot of bedwetting going on but your pants was completely dry! You was probably off in some other part of the forum being quietly supportive! I just checked - you are right Bearsy, I never posted on that thread. The9 makes himself look a bigger tw*t than he did on the "Loooook at meeeeee !!!! I've seen the new kit !!!!!" thread. Always liked that trousers bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I just checked - you are right Bearsy, I never posted on that thread. The9 makes himself look a bigger tw*t than he did on the "Loooook at meeeeee !!!! I've seen the new kit !!!!!" thread. Always liked that trousers bloke. That was just one example which happened to be wrong. He could have used countless other examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 That was just one example which happened to be wrong. He could have used countless other examples. Why rise to his aggressive and desperate attention seeking? Just remember the "let's not go for promotion and settle for the playoffs" thread, and chuckle at the sheer inadequacy of his thinking. And then laugh some more at how he stands by that initial thinking, and still claims it was correct. He genuinely is a troll, in fact the very definition of an internet troll, he is only ever looking for an argument all of the time; well, either that or some desperate search for attention by starting threads on topics that (most of the time) already exist. And he consistently makes himself look spectacularly stupid and petty in doing all of that; he knows it, and everyone knows it. I find it easier to laugh at how tragic that amount of effort is, than to actually breathe in the nonsense he continually thinks worth the effort of spewing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Why rise to his aggressive and desperate attention seeking? Just remember the "let's not go for promotion and settle for the playoffs" thread, and chuckle at the sheer inadequacy of his thinking. And then laugh some more at how he stands by that initial thinking, and still claims it was correct. He genuinely is a troll, in fact the very definition of an internet troll, he is only ever looking for an argument all of the time; well, either that or some desperate search for attention by starting threads on topics that (most of the time) already exist. And he consistently makes himself look spectacularly stupid and petty in doing all of that; he knows it, and everyone knows it. I find it easier to laugh at how tragic that amount of effort is, than to actually breathe in the nonsense he continually thinks worth the effort of spewing out. Yet you write lines and lines of bullsh*t about my contributions to this site. Reckon you have a bigger problem than me, pal. I still stand by rationale about going for the playoffs, as it stood at that time. Very easy to sneer and ridicule with hindsight about everything that has happened since.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Why rise to his aggressive and desperate attention seeking? Just remember the "let's not go for promotion and settle for the playoffs" thread, and chuckle at the sheer inadequacy of his thinking. And then laugh some more at how he stands by that initial thinking, and still claims it was correct. He genuinely is a troll, in fact the very definition of an internet troll, he is only ever looking for an argument all of the time; well, either that or some desperate search for attention by starting threads on topics that (most of the time) already exist. And he consistently makes himself look spectacularly stupid and petty in doing all of that; he knows it, and everyone knows it. I find it easier to laugh at how tragic that amount of effort is, than to actually breathe in the nonsense he continually thinks worth the effort of spewing out. You make some excellent points kraken. I shall endeavour to ignore his idiocy in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 You make some excellent points kraken. I shall endeavour to ignore his idiocy in the future. LOLing at the piety being spewed by one of the most irritating WUMs to frequent this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 LOLing at the piety being spewed by one of the most irritating WUMs to frequent this site. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Yet you write lines and lines of bullsh*t about my contributions to this site. Reckon you have a bigger problem than me, pal. I still stand by rationale about going for the playoffs, as it stood at that time. Very easy to sneer and ridicule with hindsight about everything that has happened since.. I'm still amazed how you get so angry. Calm down "pal", its not an argument. Why get so upset? But I do love your senseless dedication to the nonsense and idiocy you espoused on that playoff thread. And the fact you don't take it back, which continually highlights you as, ignorant, wrong, an inernet troll, and incapable of anything but argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 You make some excellent points kraken. I shall endeavour to ignore his idiocy in the future. F*ck. I've fallen into the trap hypo! I went for the troll bait. He got me, the fat c*nt that he is. Dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I'm still amazed how you get so angry. Calm down "pal", its not an argument. Why get so upset? But I do love your senseless dedication to the nonsense and idiocy you espoused on that playoff thread. And the fact you don't take it back, which continually highlights you as, ignorant, wrong, an inernet troll, and incapable of anything but argument. You can carry on being as abusive as you want. I had an opinion at that time, based on the circumstances, and I stand by it, for those circumstances, even today. You are only capable of describing it as "wrong" and "ignorant" in hindsight. Its quite ridiculous that you describe me as a troll just for holding that opinion. And yes, I will argue my point just as much as every other contributor on here. Unlike people like Hypotroll, I actually write what I believe, not to get up peoples noses deliberately. I couldnt give a flying f**k about all your quack pyschoanalysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 F*ck. I've fallen into the trap hypo! I went for the troll bait. He got me, the fat c*nt that he is. Dammit! Disgraceful post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 F*ck. I've fallen into the trap hypo! I went for the troll bait. He got me, the fat c*nt that he is. Dammit! Easily done. He's got his baiting down to a fine art. He's had enough practice over the years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 You can carry on being as abusive as you want. I had an opinion at that time, based on the circumstances, and I stand by it, for those circumstances, even today. You are only capable of describing it as "wrong" and "ignorant" in hindsight. Its quite ridiculous that you describe me as a troll just for holding that opinion. And yes, I will argue my point just as much as every other contributor on here. Unlike people like Hypotroll, I actually write what I believe, not to get up peoples noses deliberately. I couldnt give a flying f**k about all your quack pyschoanalysis. Plenty of people labelled it wrong and ignorant at the time. Sorry I couldn't help myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 You can carry on being as abusive as you want. I had an opinion at that time, based on the circumstances, and I stand by it, for those circumstances, even today. You are only capable of describing it as "wrong" and "ignorant" in hindsight. Its quite ridiculous that you describe me as a troll just for holding that opinion. And yes, I will argue my point just as much as every other contributor on here. Unlike people like Hypotroll, I actually write what I believe, not to get up peoples noses deliberately. I couldnt give a flying f**k about all your quack pyschoanalysis. Once again; why do you need to get so angry, abusive, and aggressive? It's needless. You seem to take this aproach to posting on here every time. No need, surely? Are you this reactionary in real life? I hope not. And you may believe you were right about giving up about the playoffs. You weren't. You are wrong in hindsight, of course you were. But there is no coherent argument for why you were right at the time, certainly none that you have put forward yet. In any case, I digresss. There is surely no need to continue this on the main board. If you wish to discuss this further, and as it is nows clearly only a conversation between you and I, please send me a private message. Either that or cease this tedium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Once again; why do you need to get so angry, abusive, and aggressive? It's needless. You seem to take this aproach to posting on here every time. No need, surely? Are you this reactionary in real life? I hope not. And you may believe you were right about giving up about the playoffs. You weren't. You are wrong in hindsight, of course you were. But there is no coherent argument for why you were right at the time, certainly none that you have put forward yet. In any case, I digresss. There is surely no need to continue this on the main board. If you wish to discuss this further, and as it is nows clearly only a conversation between you and I, please send me a private message. Either that or cease this tedium. Technically I joined in again so it was actually a three way conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Disgraceful post. You're right Ron, I shouldn't mock that he's obese. I retract that comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Once again; why do you need to get so angry, abusive, and aggressive? It's needless. You seem to take this aproach to posting on here every time. No need, surely? Are you this reactionary in real life? I hope not. And you may believe you were right about giving up about the playoffs. You weren't. You are wrong in hindsight, of course you were. But there is no coherent argument for why you were right at the time, certainly none that you have put forward yet. In any case, I digresss. There is surely no need to continue this on the main board. If you wish to discuss this further, and as it is nows clearly only a conversation between you and I, please send me a private message. Either that or cease this tedium. This "tedium" as you describe it, has been sustained by more people than just me - including you. How that gives you the right to take the high ground and lecture me about stopping it reveals utter arrogance and hypocrisy from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 And I repeat: If Alpine had always been right the last 3 years we'd be non-league by now... Amazed he can hold down a job and relationship tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 F*ck. I've fallen into the trap hypo! I went for the troll bait. He got me, the fat c*nt that he is. Dammit! Disgusting post. I come on to this forum and read this personal, aggressive and obscene attack. Should be banned for this in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 And I repeat: If Alpine had always been right the last 3 years we'd be non-league by now... Amazed he can hold down a job and relationship tbh. Yet more personal abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Disgusting post. I come on to this forum and read this personal, aggressive and obscene attack. Should be banned for this in my opinion. The real irony behind that post is the fact that he has just spent the best part of the last couple of hours lecturing about my aggression and intolerance/abusiveness of others. I have never described him in such terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 The real irony behind that post is the fact that he has just spent the best part of the last couple of hours lecturing about my aggression and intolerance/abusiveness of others. I have never described him in such terms. You don't knowif he's fat though, he knows you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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