hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Erm the little matter of 12-odd million coming from Oxlade-Chamberlain, plus that little snippet you posted ? Hypo is trying to make out we are Pompey Mark 2-in-waiting.... No I wasn't. That isn't what I said at all. It is in your own head as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Debt is the wrong word then. Upping the asking price means the Liebherrs get their money back without. giving us a debt. Don't embarrass yourself by using words like troll. You are a troll. You've still got that w*nky avatar, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Erm the little matter of 12-odd million coming from Oxlade-Chamberlain, plus that little snippet you posted ? Hypo is trying to make out we are Pompey Mark 2-in-waiting.... Well we, like every other club are, if our backer leaves and sells to someone with no money. Or one that doesn't exist. Or an arms dealer's son. Or all three... There is absolutely no way we have been self-sufficient in the past 3 seasons, and we won't be until at best 2013/14 if we're still in the Prem with the vastly inflated prize money on offer then from the new tv deal (£60m for coming last should cover the wage bill). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 You are a troll. You've still got that w*nky avatar, I see. You are a troll. You still have that pathetic negative attitude writing everything and everyone off to get a reaction. Do you still have more right to comment on games than people who have actually attended them? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4228318/Southampton-land-33m-gift-from-Markus-Liebherrs-family.html OK thanks did not know about that But I doubt that when they eventually sell they will not recoup the money somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Well we, like every other club are, if our backer leaves and sells to someone with no money. Or one that doesn't exist. Or an arms dealer's son. Or all three... There is absolutely no way we have been self-sufficient in the past 3 seasons, and we won't be until at best 2013/14 if we're still in the Prem with the vastly inflated prize money on offer then from the new tv deal (£60m for coming last should cover the wage bill). And I get accused of looking for the cloud attached to the silver lining.... It hasnt happened yet, and there is no indication whatsoever that it will happen. This idea that Libeherrs investment can be added to the club price is plain ridiculous. The club has a going rate, a market value. Why should someone cough up 20million above that ? That idea is madder than a box of frogs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Well we, like every other club are, if our backer leaves and sells to someone with no money. Or one that doesn't exist. Or an arms dealer's son. Or all three... There is absolutely no way we have been self-sufficient in the past 3 seasons, and we won't be until at best 2013/14 if we're still in the Prem with the vastly inflated prize money on offer then from the new tv deal (£60m for coming last should cover the wage bill). I don't think for a moment that the Liebherr's will not leave us in safe hands. Wat I do think though is that they will want a lot if not all of their money back when they do eventually sell us. They got us for a bargain and it just makes business sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 You are a troll. You still have that pathetic negative attitude writing everything and everyone off to get a reaction. Do you still have more right to comment on games than people who have actually attended them? Lol. Oh, the irony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 And I get accused of looking for the cloud attached to the silver lining.... It hasnt happened yet, and there is no indication whatsoever that it will happen. This idea that Libeherrs investment can be added to the club price is plain ridiculous. The club has a going rate, a market value. Why should someone cough up 20million above that ? That idea is madder than a box of frogs... I don't think we're getting sold any time soon either (though that rumour was all about getting us to the Prem and selling at a profit when I first heard it two and a half years ago on here). The "going rate, market value" will reflect what the owner is prepared to sell for, which of course will include a premium if they so wish. It's not "plain ridiculous" at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Oh, the irony... Alpine you are famous for your relentless negativity. It pervades the majority of your posts. I see you wrote off Britain as failures in the olympics just before the gold rush LMFAO you clueless fool. Now quieten down and discuss the points raised sensibly without resorting to pathetic name calling such as "troll" and we can get this thread back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Alpine you are famous for your relentless negativity. It pervades the majority of your posts. I see you wrote off Britain as failures in the olympics just before the gold rush LMFAO you clueless fool. And numerous other examples. Where's the half time of the MK Dons match thread when you need it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 I don't think we're getting sold any time soon either (though that rumour was all about getting us to the Prem and selling at a profit when I first heard it two and a half years ago on here). The "going rate, market value" will reflect what the owner is prepared to sell for, which of course will include a premium if they so wish. It's not "plain ridiculous" at all. Of course it is. No-one is going to pay over-the-odds for the club. Be serious. You sound like a Pompey fan now. How many people have put their 200K houses on the market in Southampton for 300K and actually got it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 And numerous other examples. Where's the half time of the MK Dons match thread when you need it ? Exactly. And yet he has the temerity to call someone else negative? His lack of self awareness would be funny if it wasn't so tragic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Alpine you are famous for your relentless negativity. It pervades the majority of your posts. I see you wrote off Britain as failures in the olympics just before the gold rush LMFAO you clueless fool. Now quieten down and discuss the points raised sensibly without resorting to pathetic name calling such as "troll" and we can get this thread back on track. And you are famous for your contrary, argumentative, attention-seeking drivel, just like your post on here and your pathetic avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Exactly. And yet he has the temerity to call someone else negative? His lack of self awareness would be funny if it wasn't so tragic... Ooooo, Mr "I've seen the Saints kit, arent I important ?" holds your hand, and you get all brave. Superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Of course it is. No-one is going to pay over-the-odds for the club. Be serious. You sound like a Pompey fan now. How many people have put their 200K houses on the market in Southampton for 300K and actually got it ? How do you know what the "market rate" for a football club is? The9 is entirely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 And you are famous for your contrary, argumentative, attention-seeking drivel, just like your post on here and your pathetic avatar. The fact my avatar appears to wind you up after so many years, makes me glad I chose it and means I will keep it for much longer. That you think I am being insulting with the avatar is even more amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Of course it is. No-one is going to pay over-the-odds for the club. Be serious. You sound like a Pompey fan now. How many people have put their 200K houses on the market in Southampton for 300K and actually got it ? You don't think that Premier League football clubs which are up for sale are a limited entity ? Unless they're haemorrhaging money and the owner wants rid, it's very much a seller's market, you ask what you like and you only sell when you want to and for what you want to sell for. Houses, however are not in anything like as limited supply, and therefore there's no surplus of demand and that doesn't drive up the price. This is a very basic tenet of economics. So basic that I actually remember it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 The fact my avatar appears to wind you up after so many years, makes me glad I chose it and means I will keep it for much longer. That you think I am being insulting with the avatar is even more amusing. At least you admit to being a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 At least you admit to being a troll. If being a troll means doing something specifically to wind you up then yes I admit it. By that definition I am most definitely a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 How do you know what the "market rate" for a football club is? The9 is entirely correct. Where did I claim to know what the "market rate" for a club is ? But any serious buyer of a club is going to go in, look at the assets, look at the attendances, look at the players, etc, and calculate it for himself. If the seller has asked for 20M more than that, he will try to negotiate it down and if that is unsuccessful he will walk away. The9 is being ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 You don't think that Premier League football clubs which are up for sale are a limited entity ? Unless they're haemorrhaging money and the owner wants rid, it's very much a seller's market, you ask what you like and you only sell when you want to and for what you want to sell for. Houses, however are not in anything like as limited supply, and therefore there's no surplus of demand and that doesn't drive up the price. This is a very basic tenet of economics. So basic that I actually remember it. You're bonkers. There are enough clubs around, in and out of the PL, that can be bought into without pay over-the-odds for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Where did I claim to know what the "market rate" for a club is ? But any serious buyer of a club is going to go in, look at the assets, look at the attendances, look at the players, etc, and calculate it for himself. If the seller has asked for 20M more than that, he will try to negotiate it down and if that is unsuccessful he will walk away. The9 is being ridiculous. The Liebherr's will set a price that they are happy to sell at. If there is interest at that price and they are suitable owners then I am sure that the Liebherr's would sell when it was appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 If being a troll means doing something specifically to wind you up then yes I admit it. By that definition I am most definitely a troll. Progress. The medication is up next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 The Liebherr's will set a price that they are happy to sell at. If there is interest at that price and they are suitable owners then I am sure that the Liebherr's would sell when it was appropriate. Barking..... I am going to put my house up for sale at 300K. If there is interest at that price, then I am sure that I will sell it when appropriate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 (edited) Barking..... I am going to put my house up for sale at 300K. If there is interest at that price, then I am sure that I will sell it when appropriate.... You are mental comparing a house with a football club. If the Liebherr's have no desperate need to sell then they will set a price that they would deem appropriate that a buyer would have to meet if they wanted the club. Edited 9 August, 2012 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 And numerous other examples. Where's the half time of the MK Dons match thread when you need it ? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29236 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Barking..... I am going to put my house up for sale at 300K. If there is interest at that price, then I am sure that I will sell it when appropriate.... What is barking about it? Do you seriously think the owners of this club have no idea whatsoever of a price they would sell the club for if the opportunity arose? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Excellent, another thread where Alpine gets rabidly angry, hostile and irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 I know our need is probably more pressing than Spurs', but I was looking for info on Danny Rose and this thread gave me de ja vu: http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/players-lounge/29293-stop-doom-gloom-paranoia-etc.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29236 Disappointing lack of alpine complaining from what I just read. But well done finding it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2012 Share Posted 9 August, 2012 Disappointing lack of alpine complaining from what I just read. But well done finding it ! Pretty sure it is another thread that has his comments. I have been extremely negative in the immediate aftermath of a game but rarely at half time FFS and I'm the first to hold my hand up if I do say something out of line midway through a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 What is barking about it? Do you seriously think the owners of this club have no idea whatsoever of a price they would sell the club for if the opportunity arose? Seriously? Oh, I am sure they know price they would want to get. Whether they seriously think they can get a major ROI is known only to them; I am sure they know what price they are likely to get, in reality. I find this notion being expounded by you, The9 and Hypochimp that they just have to name their price, to include debt repayments, and someone will gladly hand the dosh over as quite ridiculous. For me its quite simple - if they set a price to include the recovering of the debts paid off when they took over, they will never be able to sell the club. Any buyer is only going to pay for assets and potential future revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29236 I feel genuine pity for people who need to do that. My life is too full to waste my time tracking down who-made-what-silly-comment in the heat of the moment, years in the past, that is utterly irrelevant to the current discussion , to provide personal abuse ammo for the latest dispute. Its really quite sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Oh, I am sure they know price they would want to get. Whether they seriously think they can get a major ROI is known only to them; I am sure they know what price they are likely to get, in reality. I find this notion being expounded by you, The9 and Hypochimp No stop please! You are much too funny and original for my puny intellect. Hypochimp LMFAO!!!! that they just have to name their price, to include debt repayments, and someone will gladly hand the dosh over as quite ridiculous. For me its quite simple - if they set a price to include the recovering of the debts paid off when they took over, they will never be able to sell the club. Any buyer is only going to pay for assets and potential future revenue. Once again you miss the point and misunderstand what we are saying as per usual. Oh dear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Once again you miss the point and misunderstand what we are saying as per usual. Oh dear... Nope. I dont think so. The persisten background message from you is "we are still in debt", hence your latest tactic of going on about selling price. And people accuse me of "negativity".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Nope. I dont think so. The persisten background message from you is "we are still in debt", hence your latest tactic of going on about selling price. And people accuse me of "negativity".... No it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 No it isn't. Of course not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Adkins: “I would imagine there would be more players coming in,” he said. “If you ask every other manager the same thing they’ll all be saying the same thing, because it’s been very quiet actually. “Like everything, it can be like a domino effect that goes on. “We are still very actively looking to bring some players in and we will do. “We have to make sure we get the right ones in. We have to get them in, but we have to get right ones in.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Of course not... I don't have to prove myself to you. Its quite obvious what the9 myself and cbfry were getting at to anyone with even a modicum of intellect. You go ahead and read what you want into something though. You usually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I don't have to prove myself to you. Its quite obvious what the9 myself and cbfry were getting at to anyone with even a modicum of intellect. You go ahead and read what you want into something though. You usually do. Sounds to me like you are trying to infer we still have debts, because it would impact the selling price of the club, and therefore the ability to sell : How do we know it has just been written off? For all we know the Liebherrs are happy to support the club until an appropriate owner comes along. The club debt could be just added to the asking price. As for you not having to prove yourself to me, just STFU then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Sounds to me like you are trying to infer we still have debts, because it would impact the selling price of the club, and therefore the ability to sell : It depends on your definition of debts. It is quite conceivable that the Liebherrs have a selling price in mind and that that selling price would recoup them the majority if not all of the money they have put into SFC. They put the club for an absolute bargain and there is no doubt that their valuation would now be enormously higher than that. If the Liebherrs have no desperate need to sell then yes the club is debt free (because the club are possibly not expected to pay back the money) but they Liebherrs could still be confident of eventually getting back what they put in through a sale of the club. It's quite simple really and not particularly controversial as a theory. It's only you that fails to understand it and calls people mental. As for you not having to prove yourself to me, just STFU then. Could say exactly the same thing to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I feel genuine pity for people who need to do that. My life is too full to waste my time tracking down who-made-what-silly-comment in the heat of the moment, years in the past, that is utterly irrelevant to the current discussion , to provide personal abuse ammo for the latest dispute. Its really quite sad... "My life is too full to..." I'd say you and Hypo both need to get a life. Turn off the computer, move away from the keyboard. Go out for a walk, call a mate, get a life FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 this little tete-a-tete between you guys (about selling / not selling the club) ... is beginning to take over the thread --which is about the QUALITY of players we have / should have / will / won't ...be able to sign. Would you care to either start a new thread on the subject, a poll... .or preferably come to the conclusion that this is one issue on which you can't agree. just what are your views on quality players?... as it's obvious that (whoever owns the club), we will need such players to maintain our new status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Just to get this back on topic and away from Alpine's seething rage and p*ssing contest with Hypo... Nigel Adkins: “I would imagine there would be more players coming in,” he said. “If you ask every other manager the same thing they’ll all be saying the same thing, because it’s been very quiet actually. “Like everything, it can be like a domino effect that goes on. “We are still very actively looking to bring some players in and we will do. “We have to make sure we get the right ones in. We have to get them in, but we have to get right ones in.” Now we're in August I think silly season is about to begin. Sunderland's £12M bid for Steven Fletcher being turned down; Joe Allen for £15M to Liverpool; Jarvis £9M turned down; Dan Agger to Man City for £23M PLUS Adam Johnson. That's what it takes to compete in the top half of the table in this division, and is hopefully a stark reminder for what needs to be spent on proven players. Taking a punt on lower league players will work to an extent; pressing on further is going to cost a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Just to get this back on topic and away from Alpine's seething rage and p*ssing contest with Hypo... Nigel Adkins: Now we're in August I think silly season is about to begin. Sunderland's £12M bid for Steven Fletcher being turned down; Joe Allen for £15M to Liverpool; Jarvis £9M turned down; Dan Agger to Man City for £23M PLUS Adam Johnson. That's what it takes to compete in the top half of the table in this division, and is hopefully a stark reminder for what needs to be spent on proven players. Taking a punt on lower league players will work to an extent; pressing on further is going to cost a lot. Now if Adam Johnson's suddenly become available - hcdajfu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Just to get this back on topic and away from Alpine's seething rage and p*ssing contest with Hypo... Nigel Adkins: Now we're in August I think silly season is about to begin. Sunderland's £12M bid for Steven Fletcher being turned down; Joe Allen for £15M to Liverpool; Jarvis £9M turned down; Dan Agger to Man City for £23M PLUS Adam Johnson. That's what it takes to compete in the top half of the table in this division, and is hopefully a stark reminder for what needs to be spent on proven players. Taking a punt on lower league players will work to an extent; pressing on further is going to cost a lot. Also shows that a transfer deal isn't as easy at it appears on Football Manager - they take time to put together and have lots of dependencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Now if Adam Johnson's suddenly become available - hcdajfu He's being talked about as surplus to requirements and potentially available for £10M. Wages would also surely be an issue. A loan move would be amazing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 Just to get this back on topic and away from Alpine's seething rage and p*ssing contest with Hypo... Nigel Adkins: Now we're in August I think silly season is about to begin. Sunderland's £12M bid for Steven Fletcher being turned down; Joe Allen for £15M to Liverpool; Jarvis £9M turned down; Dan Agger to Man City for £23M PLUS Adam Johnson. That's what it takes to compete in the top half of the table in this division, and is hopefully a stark reminder for what needs to be spent on proven players. Taking a punt on lower league players will work to an extent; pressing on further is going to cost a lot. I agree with this. We have a lot of potential but it would be nice to bring in some proven quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerceSaint28 Posted 10 August, 2012 Share Posted 10 August, 2012 I understand that some people are saying that we don't need to worry...we will get the players in etc...but i think it is quite dissapointing that we haven't addressed key areas within the team and strengthened further by now with 9 days to go until the start of the season. There is no time to assimilate with the new team members, surroundings etc...just smacks of poor planning. We got promoted 4 months ago and whilst i know it's not like football manager i refuse to believe it is impossible to get the right players through the door... A number of issues upset me at the moment 1/ Failure to address centre back. We need 2 centre halves not 1. Fonte and Hooiveld looked shaky in the Championship towards the end of the season, let alone against some of the best players in the world. What happens if one of them goes down? Seaspunk? he was not even particularly good at League 1 level, missed the whole of the championship and now is number 3 choice in the Prem...please...he was ripped a new one by CMS 2/ Lack of pace - Saints are woefully lacking pace all over the park, with the exception of Clyne. I felt we needed 2 quality wingers , especially as we can't play 4-4-2 in most of our matches. Left back is also needed as competition for Fox as Shaw is only just 17 and can't be asked to play a major role at that age. 3/ Continually buying British - Whilst i am happy with the signings of Rodrigues and Clyne...less so Davies who strikes me as a bit of a water carrier...it seems we are not even bothering to pick up quality continental players at more competitive prices. This baffles me...why pay the English players tax for frankly sub standard players? Also Clyne, Rodrigues and Davies...you don't need a scout to know these players as they are all well known...where is this scouting network?? I am confident in NA but rather than being excited at the start of the season, i am approaching it with pessimism as there are far too many holes in our squad...centre back, wings, lack of goals from central midfield, lack of creation from anyone apart from Lallana... It might take a few thorough beatings from City, Arsenal and United to wake Cortese up...because as it stands this squad is nowhere near ready and anyone who think we are only 2 signings away is deluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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