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If it was the list you posted, it wasn't great. I think we want better, that may be the delay.

 

And if we get better I will drop this. However, based on the signings so far we will have to improve our policy for the next batch of signings. Lens for ok nstance, would definitely be if sufficient quality from what I have seen of him.

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Dibden Purlieu Saint

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I commented on every player you listed - hardly fingers in ears?

 

The fact is you make the point that the players we have signed are not of the required quality, and then suggest alternatives who are no better and in many cases worse.

 

At the end of the day we need to judge what the squad is like on the 1st Sept. if we havent added I will take your point.

 

Plus - I have never said the signings we have got are good enough for Europe - they are not. Europe is not the aim for this season for me. I am happy that Clyne, JR and Davis (who has played in the Champions league incidently) are good players who will improve us.

 

if you are basing your view of the signings on Europe then I agree they arent good enough. But if you were doing that then the players you suggest as signings are equally nowhere near that class either.

 

In your opinion they are no better, even though half the names have fair point next to them. Naughton is better than Clyne currently, Maiga is pretty darn good and far better than Rodriguez, and Michu is better than Davis. That's my point proven I think.

 

And I don't really care what your basing your views on. The club have said aiming to compete for Europe. With the signings made so far I don't think we'll stay up.

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In your opinion they are no better, even though half the names have fair point next to them. Naughton is better than Clyne currently, Maiga is pretty darn good and far better than Rodriguez, and Michu is better than Davis. That's my point proven I think.

 

And I don't really care what your basing your views on. The club have said aiming to compete for Europe. With the signings made so far I don't think we'll stay up.

 

Thats just to get people to buy tickets, Saints aim is to finish 17th and then build for next season. I dont think Saints have the quality to stay up but then again thats what everyone said about Norwich although they were the exception to the rule.

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I think the biggest problem is that either:

 

A) I am under-rating the players we have purchased

B) Others are over-rating the players we have purchased

C) A little of both

 

This is where our disagreement stems from.

 

 

not to further complicate this very unusual thread....I do read you often Dibden, but ...

 

A)..who do you compare our players to ?........someone great in the past?.....or, current Prem. players ? ...or who? New players seldom settle in well from Day One. It took Billy Sharp two months before he got his regular spot and started his scoring spree.

 

B)..possibly , but you often seem to highlight names that few other people mention. I do think that some (others) " rave" over players who are not up to it . Does that make you smarter .or "different "?

 

C).. I've noticed that some people are quick to "sell / sack" players who have a poor game...even if it's a friendly. Maybe not you..? but I think (one) needs to look longer term before judging players too quickly.

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not to further complicate this very unusual thread....I do read you often Dibden, but ...

 

A)..who do you compare our players to ?........someone great in the past?.....or, current Prem. players ? ...or who? New players seldom settle in well from Day One. It took Billy Sharp two months before he got his regular spot and started his scoring spree.

 

B)..possibly , but you often seem to highlight names that few other people mention. I do think that some (others) " rave" over players who are not up to it . Does that make you smarter .or "different "?

 

C).. I've noticed that some people are quick to "sell / sack" players who have a poor game...even if it's a friendly. Maybe not you..? but I think (one) needs to look longer term before judging players too quickly.

 

I agree with what you say, and I also think players need time. I'm certainly not writing off players like Clyne and Rodriguez, I think they have the potential to be great, but the question is whether they are ready now, which I have my concerns over. I don't believe they were Premier League players playing at Championship Level, like Lallana for instance. I believe they were very good Championship players who will have to improve to make the step up.

 

To be honest I compare players to my perceived ability of players in the lower reaches of the Premier League. I think it's difficult to compare against Norwich for instance, as I think last season was a massive fluke that they managed to be in a division with so many other poor sides with poor managers. Therefore I wouldn't say that many of their players are of Premier League quality. Yet at the same time, Wolves and Blackburn had quite a few. I watch a lot of football in general, including a lot of Premier League and a lot of foreign top division football, so I feel this gives me a pretty good grounding in the quality needed to be decent. Of course, there is also matching the player to the League, which means a lot of decent looking players in Italy and Spain would struggle over here (although not Michu, that guy is a beast and £2m is the signing of the Summer, by quite a distance).

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Hands up those of you confident of going into the Man C. game with a central partnership of Hooiveld and Fonte....

I think we'll get thrashed even with a new central defensive pair. Man City were unstoppable at home last season (18 wins 1 draw, only conceded 12 goals, scored 55). And we're still ate least 2 or 3 players away from a side that'll stay up IMO.

 

As such, I wouldn't even be confident of going in to the Wigan game with our current line-up, which is a much more important game.

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Hands up those of you confident of going into the Man C. game with a central partnership of Hooiveld and Fonte....

 

Ask the same to a Man Utd fan with Rio and Vidic at the back. Or Chelsea with Cahill and Terry.

 

Am I confident? No

 

Would I be confident with two new CBs? No

 

Will it be the end of the world if we lose 4-0? No.

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Right old barrell of optimisim you are...

 

Optimistic about the season but my point is that any team would be fearful of playing City with the players they have.

 

Asking whther we should be worried going in with Fonte and Hooiveld is pointless. Ask the same question about the Wigan game.

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I'm now getting worried with so called provincial clubs like Stoke, Swansea, Villa etc all making signings recently. I just cannot for the life of me put three teams below us at the moment. Grateful for what the club has achieved and the direction we're heading in but what a waste it would be to get relegated straight away. I just don't think players like Rodrigues, Sharpe, Lambert etc will have enough quality to get enough goals against PL defences. Also Lallana has looked very poor pre season, couple this with our CB problem and we could be struggling big time. Hope I'm wrong!

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I'm now getting worried with so called provincial clubs like Stoke, Swansea, Villa etc all making signings recently. I just cannot for the life of me put three teams below us at the moment. Grateful for what the club has achieved and the direction we're heading in but what a waste it would be to get relegated straight away. I just don't think players like Rodrigues, Sharpe, Lambert etc will have enough quality to get enough goals against PL defences. Also Lallana has looked very poor pre season, couple this with our CB problem and we could be struggling big time. Hope I'm wrong!

 

I wouldn't expect Peter Rodrigues or Lee Sharpe to be much use for us either.

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I agree with what you say, and I also think players need time. I'm certainly not writing off players like Clyne and Rodriguez, I think they have the potential to be great, but the question is whether they are ready now, which I have my concerns over

I don't believe they were Premier League players playing at Championship Level, like Lallana for instance. I believe they were very good Championship players who will have to improve to make the step up.

 

 

I think some of us are more concerned about consistency than we are players who are considered Premiership, but aren't " the real thing ".

Thinking back to the late 1970's and even early days in the Prem. there were quite a number of players who turned out in a Saints shirt who would never be deemed " Premiership players " in normal circumstances.

 

Everyone who plays in a Prem. side isn't worth the name , but sometimes it's all the club has. There is a impressive list of players who, having been promoted into the Prem. improve out of sight whilst others fade.

Players like Giggs, Terry and Gerrard were " born into " Premiership sides, but others having been transferred in / or promoted into Prem. do prove their worth. James Beattie, Kevin Phillips, Peter Crouch are examples of " youmg-ish " players who wallowed around in lower league/ reserve sides... but took their chance when it came.

 

Rickie Lambert surely never dreamed that he might play in the Premiership when he was down in non-league football - now he has the chance to see if he can go all the way, and few would deny him the chance.

 

I think we will be pleasantly surprised by some performances this season, whilst a few others we expected more of ...may fall by the wayside...

Of our existing squad I think, we may see the best of Hammond and Guly-if given the chance - as they have something to prove to themselves as well as the fans. Likewise JP (if he keeps his calm) may yet become a fans favourite despite the past.

 

I agree with almost everything NA has done so far, including the listing of Barnard, Forte and Dickson. Nice guys and all that, but Thank you lads...nice having you here, but its not the Prem. this time around.

 

Great things are expected of Schneiderlin, Cork, Lallana and perhaps Billy Sharp - we shall see. Our " ex Academy quartet" may be the players of the future, but expect them to give their all when the chance arises.

 

Good, bad or indifferent they will all become " Prem. players " when they put on the shirt and run out on the pitch..the proof will be if they have the quality to remain there come May.

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It does seem to be a mystery that transfer activity has stalled. Perhaps it is due to a potential sale of the club, but whatever the reason, signings in the next week are already too late to have any real influence of the team to play Man City.

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It does seem to be a mystery that transfer activity has stalled. Perhaps it is due to a potential sale of the club, but whatever the reason, signings in the next week are already too late to have any real influence of the team to play Man City.

 

What potential sale of the club?

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What potential sale of the club?

 

The one on the football rumours website. Funnily enough, any positive transfer news is quickly dismissed from that website, but it seems as people are giving the takeover rumour more legs.

 

Odd. Agendas, etc.

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The same rumour sites said that we were signing Adam johnson, Michael Owen and Micah Richards

 

But now people take this rumour seriously?

 

I take the rumour seriously as I've heard it from a couple of people who work within football; but its far from a new rumour, and certainly not encouraged by that bullsh*t site.

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Go on then. If it is only a "rumour" who wants to buy the club?

 

No idea. The stories that I've heard are that the club are exploring options for a sale, as the family want to explore their exit strategies. No timeframes or anything and its not immediate, but heard they're looking for buyers. All rumour of course (which I first heard almost a year ago), so we'll see.

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No idea. The stories that I've heard are that the club are exploring options for a sale, as the family want to explore their exit strategies. No timeframes or anything and its not immediate, but heard they're looking for buyers. All rumour of course (which I first heard almost a year ago), so we'll see.

 

Fair enough. Could be next year, could be 10 years..

 

Hypo, who wants to buy us... Tell us more of this rumour

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Fair enough. Could be next year, could be 10 years..

 

Hypo, who wants to buy us... Tell us more of this rumour

 

No idea. As I told you an ex saints player who I sit with sometimes at games told me that he has been offered a few jobs next year including with five live but was holding off in case a takeover of the club happened. He had been approached by someone representing a consortium who was looking to do just that and had offered him a role in the scouting setup.

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No idea. As I told you an ex saints player who I sit with sometimes at games told me that he has been offered a few jobs next year including with five live but was holding off in case a takeover of the club happened. He had been approached by someone representing a consortium who was looking to do just that and had offered him a role in the scouting setup.

who...tell us hypo..after all, these are just rumours..

 

it the lack of any remote detail that makes these so hard to believe

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who...tell us hypo..after all, these are just rumours..

 

it the lack of any remote detail that makes these so hard to believe

 

What you want to know the ex player? Of course I'm not going to announce that in public and put my relationship (and my cheap tickets) in jeopardy as well as his future job prospects.

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What you want to know the ex player? Of course I'm not going to announce that in public and put my relationship (and my cheap tickets) in jeopardy as well as his future job prospects.

who is this consortium...what role..tell us (just miss out the ex players names)...go on, show us you are not spinning shyte

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To be fair to Hypo, and that takes alot as generally we don't agree about anything, however, I don't believe he'd make this up or rely on Football Rumours.

 

TDD is quite entitled to believe that I invented this footballer and that I made up this story. Not sure what I would have to gain by doing that (it's not even that interesting, simply that something may happen at some vague point in the future) but it's up to him.

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who is this consortium...what role..tell us (just miss out the ex players names)...go on, show us you are not spinning shyte

 

I have no idea. He didn't tell me the names or identities of those involved except to say that some of those involved were swiss. For obvious reasons he didn't want to go into too much detail as it was in the early stages of any discussions. If they took over I believe he was asked to be involved in some way with the scouting setup, but again he didn't go into details.

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I have no idea. He didn't tell me the names or identities of those involved except to say that some of those involved were swiss. For obvious reasons he didn't want to go into too much detail as it was in the early stages of any discussions.

so, an un-named player (to us) has been approached by unknown people in switzerland and we have no idea if the club would be for sale......even though £30m was just written off etc.....

 

 

i should imagine.....ex-players from various clubs are approached quite often to be part of consortiums etc that never ever come close to getting anywhere

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so, an un-named player (to us) has been approached by unknown people in switzerland and we have no idea if the club would be for sale......even though £30m was just written off etc.....

 

 

i should imagine.....ex-players from various clubs are approached quite often to be part of consortiums etc that never ever come close to getting anywhere

 

According to the player the club has always been for sale since Markus' death at the right price. I imagine (though I don't know for certain) that Markus would want to sell to the right people so it wouldn't be to just anyone. The individuals in the consortium are not unknown to the player but for obvious reasons he didn't want to divulge any identities. Of course it could be a completely pointless exercise on his behalf but I believe it is still worth discussing (especially as others have heard similar on here in the last year or two) and he has believed it enough to delay his acceptance of a job offer on five live at any rate.

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According to the player the club has always been for sale since Markus' death at the right price. The individuals in the consortium are not unknown to the player but for obvious reasons he didn't want to divulge any identities. Of course it could be a completely pointless exercise on his behalf but I believe it is still worth discussing (especially as others have heard similar on here in the last year or two) and he has believed it enough to delay his acceptance of a job offer on five live at any rate.

maybe...what just doesn't add up....why press ahead with the training ground improvements....not as if staple wood was falling apart and it is not coming cheap...why write off £30m quid of debt.......etc etc..

 

just doesn't sound like a club that is being up for sale.......

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No idea. The stories that I've heard are that the club are exploring options for a sale, as the family want to explore their exit strategies. No timeframes or anything and its not immediate, but heard they're looking for buyers. All rumour of course (which I first heard almost a year ago), so we'll see.

 

I first heard them about 2-3 weeks after Markus died. There's still no more substance to the rumours.

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maybe...what just doesn't add up....why press ahead with the training ground improvements....not as if staple wood was falling apart and it is not coming cheap...why write off £30m quid of debt.......etc etc..

 

just doesn't sound like a club that is being up for sale.......

 

How do we know it has just been written off? For all we know the Liebherrs are happy to support the club until an appropriate owner comes along. The club debt could be just added to the asking price.

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How do we know it has just been written off? For all we know the Liebherrs are happy to support the club until an appropriate owner comes along. The club debt could be just added to the asking price.

 

Give it a rest, troll.

 

We've been told countless times the club is now debt-free.

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Give it a rest, troll.

 

We've been told countless times the club is now debt-free.

 

I dont recall anyone of any note saying the club is debt free at the moment

 

How can it possibly be so where has the money come to pay for Rodriques etc

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I dont recall anyone of any note saying the club is debt free at the moment

 

How can it possibly be so where has the money come to pay for Rodriques etc

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4228318/Southampton-land-33m-gift-from-Markus-Liebherrs-family.html

 

SOUTHAMPTON have been handed a £33million gift in their bid to reach the Premier League.

The family of former owner Markus Liebherr, who died in 2010, have told the Saints they don’t have to repay a loan made by the Swiss businessman.

 

Instead the loan has been turned into shares, leaving Saints, who top the Championship, free of any debt to the Liebherrs.

 

Chief financial officer Gareth Rogers said: “The club no longer owes the money. The debt has been wiped from the books and is not a liability any more.”

 

Southampton, promoted from League One last season, made a loss of £11.5m to June 2011 despite going up. Wages accounted for 93 per cent of the £16.4m turnover.

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