Cash in Hand

[swannymere]

So should us muggles not be paid or pay cash in hand when everybody in the higher tax brackets routinely pay the minimum amount of tax possible. Should we feel guilty for cheating the tax system

[trousers]

"Wrong + wrong = right"?

[Turkish]

Like f*ck we should. If someone does a job for you and offers a discount for cash its their responsbility what they do with it, not yours.

[Whitey Grandad]

Yes, the responsibility is all down to the recipient. Cash is still legal tender.

[saint.tom.clancy]

Split on this. If I was paid cash in hand I'm not sure I would pay tax on it. Then again, I don't, so if I have to pay my tax I think everyone should, regardless of how you're paid. Either way it's f*ck all compared to how much the elite have / are avoiding now, so I think that problem should be sorted first and foremost.

[CB Saint]

I f the £21tn is hidden in an offshore tax haven away from the prying eyes of governments, rivals, ex wives etc, how the hell have they come up with that number if none of the former haven't been able to.

[saintfully]

Stealing a pound is not the same as stealing a million pounds. They are both wrong, but not equivalent.

[saintfully]

I f the £21tn is hidden in an offshore tax haven away from the prying eyes of governments, rivals, ex wives etc, how the hell have they come up with that number if none of the former haven't been able to.

 

I think it was with the help of a 'whistle blower' from a Swiss bank but I await correction.

[Seaford Saint]

What a role model for social morality Dave Cameron is. How unacceptable is a tax avoidance attitude that made his father a very rich man. How ghastly are these grubby welfare and tax cheats who pay three times the tax rate of the average multinational company based in Britain.

 

 

 

But The British-based Tax Justice Network (TJN) said in a report at the weekend that a mind-blowing $32 trillion of totally evaded tax – representing criminal wealth, pure and simple – is hidden away in tax havens across the world. Forty-eight hours later, Mr Cameron has not thought of a single word to utter about that.

 

However, his Treasury Minister David Gaucke has had plenty to say about paying household suppliers in cash.

 

Yes, you read it right: I wrote ‘paying household suppliers in cash’. Fifty quid made on the black is being given greater priority in the political Establishment to $32trillion around the world.

 

The insensitive insouciance of the political class has rarely been on better display than in the stream of ******** that’s been pouring forth from Treasury Minister David Gauke over the last 36 hours. Not only does he fail utterly to address the grossly unfair way in which rich globalists hire devious tax lawyers and accountants to reduce their corporate tax rate to around 6%: not for one second anywhere in this bloke’s thought processes is there an even passing glimmer in relation to WHY more and more citizens in the West feel less and less inclined to pay tax.

 

Could it be something to do with:

1. Major tax cheats get minor fines, and the HMRC/IRS tax authorities do crooked deals to get payment in lieu of prosecution.

2. Individuals pay at a rate 3 x higher than most multinationals, whose banks and their sovereign chums have rigged every investment sector on the planet against the individual taxpayer.

3. The outrageous waste of tax monies on everything from Connecting for Health in the UK and the US mortgage relief scheme in the States to ridiculous bank bailouts totalling $23trillion around the world.

4. The sense of being ignored by the politicians who set the tax rates (all the while lying about how much tax they are really after) and paying tax to subsidise the illegally self-awarded pensions (a cool £1.15 trillion) of Whitehall bureaucrats and reckless mania of Robert E. Diamond.

 

From my favourite blogger

[Thedelldays]

come on..we have all paid cash in hand and would all accept it

[View From The Top]

I've just had two bathrooms put in as "foreigners" saving me thousands. I save & it's his choice if he declares it.

 

When they deal with the likes of Vodafone & Philip Green then they can preach.

[trousers]

The Saints Web Forum : comparing apples with oranges since 2006

[View From The Top]

The Saints Web Forum : comparing apples with oranges since 2006

 

Stop being a prat, I'm perfectly aware of the difference between legal tax avoidance & illegal evasion but the moral point remains the same.

[trousers]

Stop being a prat, I'm perfectly aware of the difference between legal tax avoidance & illegal evasion but the moral point remains the same.

 

I disagree

[bridge too far]

I pay my hairdresser (who comes to my house - doesn't work for a salon) in cash because I can't be arsed to have a cheque book. Also, it costs her to bank cheques. It's up to her to declare her income.

 

But I would never trade cash in order to avoid paying VAT; that would be cutting my nose off to spite my face. I only trade cash for discount in shops.

[Whitey Grandad]

One person evading £1m or 1 million people evading £1 each, is there any difference?

[sticksaint]

MPs preaching to people to declare everything? I`ve heard everything now! Don`t do as i do do as i say.

[benjii]

I've just had two bathrooms put in as "foreigners" saving me thousands. I save & it's his choice if he declares it.When they deal with the likes of Vodafone & Philip Green then they can preach.

I presume you declare your income from your online trading business that you've spoken of previously on here?

[View From The Top]

I presume you declare your income from your online trading business that you've spoken of previously on here?

 

Registered as a sole trader & declare the income & pay the tax they ask for. Your point?

[Whitey Grandad]

I presume you declare your income from your online trading business that you've spoken of previously on here?

HMRC take a special interest in online trading.

[benjii]

Registered as a sole trader & declare the income & pay the tax they ask for. Your point?

 

Good stuff. No point really, although you might be better off incorporating as a company to avoid some of that tax.

[dubai_phil]

The "wealthy" can afford to pay for legal avoidance schemes and can pay for lobbyists to get the rules enacted.

 

My Mum tries to save a few quid a month from her pension by paying someone cash to mow her lawn and that is "Immoral" and as a result of her "Immoral acts" society in general is broke.

 

I'll shut up now or I will go off on one

[bridge too far]

The "wealthy" can afford to pay for legal avoidance schemes and can pay for lobbyists to get the rules enacted.

 

My Mum tries to save a few quid a month from her pension by paying someone cash to mow her lawn and that is "Immoral" and as a result of her "Immoral acts" society in general is broke. QUOTE]

 

 

She's not being immoral. She might not have a cheque book. But her gardener would be in the wrong if he didn't put it through the books. After all, your mother no doubt pays cash in a shop sometimes?

[Jonnyboy]

That Gaucke pr!ck claimed about £10,000 in Mps expenses in fiddling his stamp duty on his London property.

 

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/tradesmens-earnings-only-untaxed-until-they-get-to-the-pub-2012072435498

 

Thats where the odd tenner I get goes.

[Turkish]

I wonder if Boj declares his income from the paying users on this mongboards? It must be a tidy little sum coming in what with a few thousand members now. I'm sure it's enough to keep him well stocked with beard trimmers and Kasabian music sheets. Not that I've ever seen the accounts, but then I doubt many people have.

[Special K]

If the Government are that concerned about VAT for small traders, then they should lower the threshold. Stupid idea imho anyway. There is nothing wrong with employing someone who is not registered for VAT and it does make the job cheaper. And there are a load of people who do odd jobs for cash and dont declare it, but i see nothing wrong with this if it is just for a bit of extra cash. My nan gets her gardening done by a fella who she pays £10 to. He does a few gardens in the street and works about 10 hours a week, so he'd probably earn well below the IT threshold anyway and there's no way he'd be registered for VAT, so no-one misses out. Gauke is a prize ***t and in this case, Labour are right to say HM Govnt should be clamping down on corporate tax avoidance, althugh this is something they failed miserably on themselves.

[dubai_phil]

The "wealthy" can afford to pay for legal avoidance schemes and can pay for lobbyists to get the rules enacted.

 

My Mum tries to save a few quid a month from her pension by paying someone cash to mow her lawn and that is "Immoral" and as a result of her "Immoral acts" society in general is broke. QUOTE]

 

 

She's not being immoral. She might not have a cheque book. But her gardener would be in the wrong if he didn't put it through the books. After all, your mother no doubt pays cash in a shop sometimes?

 

Missed the point - because of this outburst she FEELS immoral for paying cash, it was the way it was reported. You pay cash you are bad person.

 

Not - hey guys we would like you to start paying every bill by cheque or credit card so that we can save the nation. In here ears and eyes she heard the idiot said "you are a bad person for doing this".

 

Like I said don't get me started on Tax Avoidance schemes Acountants, Expenses for MP's etc LECTURING little retired ladies

[saintfully]

One person evading £1m or 1 million people evading £1 each, is there any difference?

 

Yes, the first involves one person, the second involves 1 million people.

 

(Haven't we had this discussion before?)

[moonraker]

I have a feeling this is another Tory attmept to deflect the fire away from the real issues of Tax avoidance. Public opinion is building and demanding action against the tax avioidance schemes used by the big corporates and the wealthy, a large % of whom are the very good freinds of the Tories. Their attempts to blame our finnacial ills on benefits claimants have not had much traction so now the have lined up their sights on small mainly self employed tradesman and women, this will not turn out well for them.

[Whitey Grandad]

Yes, the first involves one person, the second involves 1 million people.

 

(Haven't we had this discussion before?)

So is the latter the bigger 'crime'?

 

(I think there was a subtle difference. Too subtle for me)

[Jonnyboy]

So is the latter the bigger 'crime'?

 

(I think there was a subtle difference. Too subtle for me)

 

The tax on 1 million average income earners getting an extra quid each would be a lot less than the tax due from 1 person nicking £1million quid.

 

Said tax would be well used in the NHS on operations and the like.

[saintfully]

So is the latter the bigger 'crime'?

 

(I think there was a subtle difference. Too subtle for me)

 

The latter is 1 million smaller crimes, which - as Jonnyboy observes - in actualite, add up to a collectively smaller infringement than the former. (IMHO.)

[sotonjoe]

Tax fraud is tax fraud.

[saintfully]

Tax fraud is tax fraud.

 

Profound. By that logic 'crime is crime' and all criminals should be treated the same.