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OK first 20 minutes I was thinking ..oh dear. After that I thought we played pretty well although in the last 20 minutes all the subs killed the game. Generally going forward, just like last season, we looked good and pretty dangerous IMO. At the back we just look shaky and always look like were one silly mistake away from disaster. Fonte had some howlers last season and I'm not convinced he is going to be great in the PL.

 

Best thing for me was Clyne ...have to say I knew pretty much nothing about him but he looked really good has to be our first choice RB next season IMO. Now we need a LB of similair quaility.

 

Now how long before Ajax make an offer for Lallanna.....

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Alarm bells ringing loudly. Sort out the defence and attack by buying in some quality or we are heading for the yo yo league.

 

YEP. better spend 300-400 million on a new team.

 

No benfits to what we saw, they are all crp.Come on.

 

Decent performance from us I thought. First 20 mins crap because we were star struck, but managed to improve, which bodes well for us to adapt to teams getting better of us. Ward- Prowse and lallana played very well, Adam my MOM, and i think Guly could have a future as a midfielder for us. Shame boys couldn't put one or two away. I liuked the way we moved the ball in the second half.

 

I just want mid table survival this season and build for the next. but who knows.

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Lee could work well in a front 3 IMO

 

I also think j-rod will eventually become the central striker

 

I sure don't want to overstate this because I have such a high regard for him as a player and as a guy, but I can foresee a situation in which our playing style makes Rickie's position far less certain. I'm not sure whether he lacked influence and involvement today because he wasn't completely fit or because he's less relevant to the way we're going to play. Feels like sacrilege saying that, but it's crossing my mind.

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I sure don't want to overstate this because I have such a high regard for him as a player and as a guy, but I can foresee a situation in which our playing style makes Rickie's position far less certain. I'm not sure whether he lacked influence and involvement today because he wasn't completely fit or because he's less relevant to the way we're going to play. Feels like sacrilege saying that, but it's crossing my mind.

 

I think this as well, I can't see how we can squeeze JRod and Lambo into the same team and at the moment JRod looks a lot more mobile. I'll be the last to write off Rickie though.

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I don't usually post, but watching the first 20 mins. I was horrified at how bad saints were. Completely defensive and crap. Lallana admitted that the shape was changed after 20 mins, so how did Na get it so wrong from the start.

Clyne was vg and wp got better and better. Saints need at least 5 players who are better than what we have.

Davis, Lee & Cork - thats 3 of them. Everyone, including Adkins knows we need at least 1 more CB and we are chasing a LB, I suspect we will still sign another front man.

Not sure how much was NA getting it wrong and how much was us being 3 weeks away from season start (and Ajax being 1 away). We were poor for 20 minutes, but after that we outplayed them until they scored against the run of play and we had much the better chances, give it another 3 weeks, we will be OK, this is a very long pre-season - 7 weeks in all.

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I sill believe we need an experienced spine,or someone with experience in each dept.

CB,Midfield and up top.

someone that has done it and seen it in the Prem.or at an equivalent level.

this does not mean going for the player that is on one last hoorah and pay deal.

just someone that has a level head and experience.

im not confident in Davis or even Gazzaniga,we need another keeper also.

i am hoping beyond hope that the great fire power we potentially have,that would be fantastic in the NPC,can cut it in th Prem.

this does not mean I want us to go and get players that are stars and somewhat pre madonnas,and that we have to upset the balance of youth and experience.

But something is missing.

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Well Clyne was really quite something, worried he'd be one of those over hyped transfers but I'm really excited to see him as no.1 right back next year (no.2 shirt) with his first 45 mins today looking very much like the real deal.

 

JWP also looks like something really special, second half he was doing that european style deep lying play maker role very well, sitting next to Morg in front of the back 4 with the energy to push all the way to their box and set everyone up on the way. I see a few games for him next year in the prem hopefully to get his confidence up. Him, Cork, Morgan, Davis with Hammond as back up has the central midfield sown up with Chaplow making way (as a guess).

 

The formation first half was terrible, Guly and Rodriquez don't work as left and right midfielders very well. They both got Clyne and Fox forward (things they both do well) but it gave no room for either LM or RM to go anywhere with the ball. The role change at half time to more or less inside forwards up with Lallana (covering the hole and wings between the 3) looked very promising if the 2 midfielders can sit and control the ball well (big pressure on Morg, Cork and Davis but should be doable).

 

Lambert needs to do some fitness training and Sharp needs to become a little more decisive, which will both come in the next few weeks.

 

Most worried about Fonte and Fox really, Fonte still looks a little shakey and needs some proper competition (which has to happen so not to worry) and Fox was torn apart by their winger. Fine line between him being excellent and Fox being poor but with Harding out there has to be some real first team pressure there (despite Shaw looking good).

 

Gazza was fun, the guys I was sitting with hadn't seen the videos of him and were very surprised at the 80 yard kick! He looked one for the future as his positioning is there and he looked to have decent reactions/dives. Not 100% sure for no.2 keeper this year but looked worth snapping up now instead of fighting everyone for him in the future.

 

All in all, we were unlucky to concede but at the same time weren't 100% ready to win. Excited to see how we build for the season opener in 3 weeks.

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Expectations also affect peoples opinions (scientific fact) I wont bore you with the details but basically because Guly was so poor last season the expected level has dropped V low, if he plays above this (very low) level people (some) will say "oh Guly was good today" others (like me) will not

 

It's true that expectations affect people's opinion, but it's not obvious that it works like you describe. Look for instance at confirmation bias - the notion that we are more likely to interpret something so it fits with our prior understanding - if you think Guly is crap, then you'll be more inclined to confirm that stance when seeing him play:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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I really liked so much about Clyne's performance that I feel badly to introduce a negative.

 

Funnily enough, the weakness that Adkins spotted when he was at Palace was quite visible on a couple of occasions today - he's lost on the high ball slung to the far post, and we need to make sure he's not overmatched there with a tall guy.

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Got to say I was very worried after 20 minutes, we couldn't pass the ball out from the back and everyone looked isolated, not least Lambert. Then we started playing a bit and looked a lot more comfortable - but we still lost, and we lost because we didn't take our chances and made one terrible defensive mistake. They're the margins in the Prem and we may as well get used to them. But it's still a new system and these things happen at this stage - same went for the zonal corner defending.

 

Hopefully we'll make a bit more progress, Ward-Prowse didn't look out of place and that's very promising, Clyne was lively, Lallana was Lallana. Swapping the entire midfield on 75 minutes is hopefully not going to be a tendency this season !!!

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Thought Clyne was MOTM and JWP was good too. Other than that, certainly in the 1st half I thought the front line looked like square pegs in round holes. Lambert looked isolated too much and lost possession a couple of times. Jayrod looked like he's got something about him, but he's not got a clue how to use it out on the left. 4-3-3 is OK but you've got to have players quick enough to move out of the 4-5-1 defensive formation into an attacking formation to take advantage. By the time we got some form of passing going, they had 11 players behind the ball - almost always happened. And once again, no-one wanted to shoot...we were trying to walk it into the net - frustrating.

 

I enjoyed to today, but we seriously need to be prepared for some disappointing games on todays showing - I'm not surprised NA wants more in.

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I really liked so much about Clyne's performance that I feel badly to introduce a negative.

 

Funnily enough, the weakness that Adkins spotted when he was at Palace was quite visible on a couple of occasions today - he's lost on the high ball slung to the far post, and we need to make sure he's not overmatched there with a tall guy.

 

True, but if Man U can still cope with Evra in their side who I remember got murdered by exactly that on his debut, we should be alright.

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I have to say I was very impressed with Clyne, opening minutes I thought "oh cripes he is a bit small" but quickly he gave their winger very little, then going forward he looked a bit of a firecracker, he also has a very nice touch. Also thought JWP looked very composed.

Also noticed Saints little game plan from the last couple of seasons seems to have continued: let the opposition have a run around for the first 20 ish minutes then step it up.

My concern is with Jose, in the latter months of last year he seemed off the pace at times letting the oppo's have a sniff, today he was at the centre of gifting Ajax their goal.

As for the Red shirts (sorry Nicola, I know you don't like stripes) I had difficulty getting my head to like them.

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I really liked so much about Clyne's performance that I feel badly to introduce a negative.

 

Funnily enough, the weakness that Adkins spotted when he was at Palace was quite visible on a couple of occasions today - he's lost on the high ball slung to the far post, and we need to make sure he's not overmatched there with a tall guy.

 

Peter Crouch ffs

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As the commentator said Celtic were thrashed by ajax and we look a far better side than they are . We still have Davis and chung to come in . What did **** me off was the commentators going on about our priorities being survival . They were extremely derogatory about us

 

Oh come on. They were spot on

We have signed a rangers player

2 x championship players

And the gillingham keeper

 

Odds and history pretty much tells us that all three promotes teams won't all survive

 

Last season was a one off (so far)

 

Unless we get a significantly better CB and that CB stays fit and is available most of the season. We are in trouble

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Watched from afar of Channel 5. Generally thought the game was played at a very slow pace - possession football for the first 20-mins, and Saints were nowhere near getting the ball never mind getting in the game. Still not sure what changed but we seemed to be in awe of playing the Dutch at their own game. Strange how things did change.

I like the look of Ward Prowse - he looked like something we were missing last season. Not sure about Schneiderlin's performance, and for all his hype I was generally disappointed with Rodrigues. I know it was a test for him to play in that position, and we did very little to try and get him in the game. The over-riding thing that worried me was our exposure down the right. Wast because Rodders was too far in front of Fox?

Passing was poor yesterday except for one memorable crossfield from Jos to Guly or Clyne, which did create a chance.

Looked a little goal shy - and need to Sharpen up a bit (no pun intended). I think if Billy had been on for longer he would have scored with the chance he had!

I enjoyed the game but it lacked something - perhaps the fact it didn't matter if we lost was a factor.

It was a good test - but the story for our season will be about taking our chances and not giving teams a goal start. After Lallana getting back and Fonte clearing up he passed it straight to the goal scorer! It was a well struck shot - but we can't be that sloppy in The Premiership.

I thought we lacked a bit of pace - something that will be addressed when Lee is back in my opinion. Get off Lambert's back - it's the kit making him look "not as fit" as last seaon - stripes are very slimming! Get him wearing No.7 again and we will be all right!

It seems strange not watching red & and white stripes - not really too opinionated about the change.

Not sure what needs changing - Adkins is clearly still tinkering. I thought Guly had a better game - but lost his way in the second half after Clyne went off. They seem to have developed an understanding already. Not sure about Rodrigues on left midfield - but he will be an important of the side. Midfield I can't fault Ward Prowse - he starts for me. Unsure who else needs to fit in - Cork and Davis perhaps?

Enough pontification - I'm starting to look forward to the new season - but not sure how I will be able to afford to go to live games at £50 a pop at places like Ethiad!

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I thought Clyne was excellent today, very pleased with what he will offer us this coming season. JWP looked very clever in midfield too, played a few really nice passes and he covered a lot of ground too (but not in the same way as a headless chicken can, it had purpose.) i was a little dissapointed with jay rod, thought his touch was pretty rusty but a bit more game time an im sure he'll sharpen up! (good finish in the first half too, but thought he should have checked the line better first, he probably would still have got there!)

 

Typed this on my phone so apologies for god awfull layout!

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Oh come on. They were spot on

We have signed a rangers player

2 x championship players

And the gillingham keeper

 

Odds and history pretty much tells us that all three promotes teams won't all survive

 

Last season was a one off (so far)

 

Unless we get a significantly better CB and that CB stays fit and is available most of the season. We are in trouble

 

Is this another of your infamous predictions, if so, we should all feel a lot better, regarding this coming season, as you don't get a great deal right.

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Is this another of your infamous predictions, if so, we should all feel a lot better, regarding this coming season, as you don't get a great deal right.

 

He's being realistic to be honest. We need pace and a better CB, otherwise we will be in the **** when we come up against top PL teams.

 

Let's not kid ourselves. There is a good basis to this squad and we have made clever signings, but we need a couple more little dots of quality to finish it off in the most important areas.

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Is this another of your infamous predictions, if so, we should all feel a lot better, regarding this coming season, as you don't get a great deal right.

 

It is possible for posters to get things right sometimes although in your case highly unlikely.

 

Delldays makes a very powerful point we do need a top class CB and another two or three other PL standard players if we are to suceed in the PL

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From someone not usually first in the queue when it comes to dishing out praise to Saints...

 

@Moose_talkSPORT: Southampton were brilliant today well done to @jordansibley and all his staff

 

(apologies if already mentioned and not sure if he's talking about the game or the hospitality!)

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Thought we did really well after a slow start. Lallana is looking some player - he is getting better and better and his passing today was great.

 

Lambert was fairly quiet, but I don't think he scored in pre-season last year either.

 

Also see that Norwich play Ajax on Tuesday - it will be interesting to see how well they do.

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Didn't see any of the game so can't comment on individuals, but can't believe some of the negative comments on here. We're playing one of the top 10 (or thereabouts) teams in Europe who are only one week away from the start of their season, whereas we are still 3 weeks away. It's already been said that we're going to sign another centre back so I think we have to trust it's going to be somebody better than what we have. We still have Chung and Davis to come in to boost our options.

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Also see that Norwich play Ajax on Tuesday - it will be interesting to see how well they do.

 

thinking on comparative results I noticed the other day that Bastia, who are no world beaters, beat Evian 4-0 in a warm up match. That set me wondering if we're an efficient striker short at the moment.

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Is this another of your infamous predictions, if so, we should all feel a lot better, regarding this coming season, as you don't get a great deal right.

if we went through the season with Jos and Jose at the back...you think we won't concede a bucket load..?

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One thing that concerned me today was the lack of 'bite' up front. We manage to get the ball into the box with relative ease, even against a team as solid and disciplined as Ajax, but we seem to be missing something when we get there. Lambert is so involved in the build up he is rarely in the 6-yard box, JRod was out wide a lot (as he was seemingly told to be), which left us with few options. IMO, if we're going to use Lambert in the way we did yesterday, he needs somebody like JRod or Sharp further forward.

 

Otherwise, the only thing I can complain about is Fonte. As much as I rated him in L1 and even the NPC, I don't think he's quick enough mentally nor reliable enough for the Prem. He's a second behind the pace and prone to silly mistakes, which in his position will hurt us.

 

So all-in-all a really good game, a good performance and an encouraging sign of things to come.

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Not just Adkins, interview with kids Saintsplayer said the same. But people on here don't listen, or have no patience. Its stii July Ffs.

what are you on about..did anyone say we won't be bringing any in...just commenting on the performance of jose...and it is not new. he is an accident waiting to happen

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what are you on about..did anyone say we won't be bringing any in...just commenting on the performance of jose...and it is not new. he is an accident waiting to happen

 

An accident waiting to happen... again. It's a real shame when a player you respected so much has cleared reached and exceeded his level, as I'm sure we all want Fonte to be comfortable in the Prem.

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thinking on comparative results I noticed the other day that Bastia, who are no world beaters, beat Evian 4-0 in a warm up match. That set me wondering if we're an efficient striker short at the moment.

 

We controlled that game. The sharpness will come. We have 4 strikers who will score goals.

 

We've still got 3 more games to work on the new system.

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Channel 5 definitely mentioned we were marking zonally from corners. Don't understand it myself.

 

Seeing as Adkins said a couple of games ago it is something they are trying then it's not hard to understand. Also, despite all the media coverage when it goes wrong, it's probably proven to be a more successful method of defending set pieces.

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Channel 5 definitely mentioned we were marking zonally from corners. Don't understand it myself.

 

Seeing as Adkins said a couple of games ago it is something they are trying then it's not hard to understand. Also, despite all the media coverage when it goes wrong, it's probably proven to be a more successful method of defending set pieces.

 

The first corner aside, it worked fairly well. Although I'm not sure we needed the change given how good we've been at set pieces the last few years.

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Seeing as Adkins said a couple of games ago it is something they are trying then it's not hard to understand. Also, despite all the media coverage when it goes wrong, it's probably proven to be a more successful method of defending set pieces.

 

I must have missed that interview then touchy.

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no he has not. and I never said otherwise..just saying in my OP that yesterday highlighted again that we need a top CB...im sure we will get one in

 

Really I suppose these quotes attibuted to him then are wrong?

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/southampton-boss-adkins-targeting-goalkeeper-and-defenders-3349611

 

"With Radhi Jaidi retiring and the uncertainty over Dan Seaborne coming back, we will be bringing another one if not two centre-halves into the football club to keep improving."

 

 

Read more at http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/southampton-boss-adkins-targeting-goalkeeper-and-defenders-3349611#FqJA5soBjDGVFIlF.99

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Been away for the weekend, just watched the game & seemed a good work out against a decent side who are a couple of weeks ahead of us in pre-season. We controlled the game for long periods, & only when Fonte made a mistake and gifted them the goal followed by multiple substitutions gave Ajax the lift they needed to get on top.

To sum up I thought Clyne looks very good & seemed to link well with Guly who also had a decent game.

Ward Prowse had a really good game the young lad looks a class above.

Lallana looked superb.

We had some lovely inter-passing at times, & we did manage to open up a decent European side at times. The finishing will need to improve as Adkins said in his interview.

Biggest negative as many have said already is Fonte, I really thought a year ago he would be the one who would step up to the mark & be our rock last season & step up to the prem easily. However, he was dodgy at times last year. And not a good day for him yesterday gifting them the chance on goal & the shocking duck under the ball which allowed Ajax through in the first half. Adkins knows he needs at least one more CB as quick as possible. This has to be our priority.

All in all there is a lot of promise especially from the youngsters, a lot more positives than negatives from yesterday.

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