Scott Dann

[EBS1980]

Don't think so? Surely we wouldnt have had him while outside teh prem ?

 

If it wasn't him i'd love to know who it was. I'm sure it was him though, i remember we played a dutch centre back (youngster) in a few pre season games a few years back now.

[Chez]

I'm all for aiming high, but who exactly is this CB that is better than Dann that is willing to come here (and allowed to leave his club for buttons)?

[labibs]

I'm all for aiming high, but who exactly is this CB that is better than Dann that is willing to come here (and allowed to leave his club for buttons)?

 

My thoughts exactly. Also need to factor in that they woud have to fit in with our wage structure as well. I think Dann fits the mould of the kind of player we need. At £6m, I wouldn't be interested, but at the reported £3.5m, that's not bad value when you consider his age, previous form, potential etc.

[The Kraken]

Bit harsh, I don't think he was that bad if I'm honest. He got caught by being 2 high up quite a few times, but that was more down to their tactics than anything.

 

As a CB i see him more of a sweeper who is there to play alongside a more dominant CB who wins all the headers, Dann seems to be more of a ''reader'' and a positional centre half.

 

He was rated highly at Birmingham, and even though they say he is quite slow, they all rated him much higher than Johnson.

Not from what I've read. A lot of Brum opinions I've seen are that on their own Johnson and Dann were ok but that together they formed a brilliant partnership. There's a Daily Mail online article today where a couple of Blackburn fans are pretty scathing about Dann, a positive comment from a Brum fan is tinged with the fact that they think he needs to play alongside a better, more dominant centre back to bring the best out of him.

 

I've not seen enough if him to know if he's better than Hooiveld or Fonte, so for the price being mentioned its a definite risk.

 

Edit, link here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2177550/Southampton-want-Scott-Dann-Blackburn.html

Edited 23 July, 2012 by The Kraken

[Saint Garrett]

People are saying he's only good when played alongside a better CB....Surely it's the better CB who is carrying him then? A bit like Killer carried Claus for the last few years. As soon as Killer got injured, Claus was awful.

[Saint Charlie]

Thing with Dann is that signing for Blackburn was a bad, bad move for him. They were shambolic last season. before he joined them he was linked with Arsenal and Liverpool.

 

If you take that year out of his career and imagine Birmingham have just got relegated after the season he had with them, would you be interested? Absolutely.

 

If we get him then Adkins has a job to restore his confidence and get him playing like he did because he was very good.

[The Kraken]

Thing with Dann is that signing for Blackburn was a bad, bad move for him. They were shambolic last season. before he joined them he was linked with Arsenal and Liverpool.

 

If you take that year out of his career and imagine Birmingham have just got relegated after the season he had with them, would you be interested? Absolutely.

If we get him then Adkins has a job to restore his confidence and get him playing like he did because he was very good.

 

He only played 20 games that season. He was injured in the January and didn't play again for the rest of the season. He then moved to Blackburn in the close season, and by all accounts looked a shell of the player he was before.

 

Big gamble IMO.

[SNSUN]

Big gamble IMO.

 

If he's one of two centre back signings, then it's a gamble worth taking IMO.

[The Kraken]

If he's one of two centre back signings, then it's a gamble worth taking IMO.

 

Depends on the fee. Just like Dann I think Fonte would look a lot better with a top quality dominant CB next to him, so I'm not sure exactly how much more we'd be getting than we already have. Dann went to Blackburn for £6M, I can't see them wanting to take too much of a haircut on that. Even £3.5M would be a lot given his past 2 years.

[Charlie Wayman]

Hmmm....ex team mate of Danny Fox at Coventry, hmmmmm......ex England under 21 International, hmmmmm 25 years old,.....hmmmm 6ft 2"..........a young english premier league experienced centre back....hmmm....not yet really won anything so has a point to prove, ex captain of his club,...I have the clues and I'm sure there is a pattern emerging here but i dont know what it means... :-)

 

It's called all F*=*ing chiefs and no F*=*ing indians.

 

The last thing we want here are thicko loud-mouthed know-alls who can't even do their own jobs properly. We've had a few over the years have we not?

[S-Clarke]

Kjaer is an interesting one, I'd have said no chance, but Wolfsburg want shot - they have come out and said they want him gone by the end of the window, and after his pretty average showing at Roma last year (when he was on loan) there aren't a great deal of ''Top takers''.

 

No harm in trying, he's available for under £5m too.

[Giordano]

It's called all F*=*ing chiefs and no F*=*ing indians.

 

The last thing we want here are thicko loud-mouthed know-alls who can't even do their own jobs properly. We've had a few over the years have we not?

 

Bit harsh. Looking at our first team we don't have loads and loads of ex team captains, but a fair number, and I would'nt say that they act like "Chiefs" when what we need are "Indians". In fact I think that the captains are usually those who are prepared to make the biggest sacrifice for the team a lot of the time - the days of making the "best player" captain just because he's a billy big boots show off are long gone. The likes of Hammond, Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Fonte Chaplow and new recruit Davis, even Cork was captain of England under 19's....are any of those describable as "chiefs" in the pejorative sense you insinuate? They are all or were all team captains...theres maybe others...If anything those names are players who in cycling terms would be called the gregari of the team - the hardworking water carriers.....i think that Saints success has been built on an ALL chiefs approach rather than the old fashioned "indians and chiefs distinction which i think you refer to.

Edited 23 July, 2012 by Giordano
found out chappie captained Eng under 20's

[The Kraken]

Bit harsh. Looking at our first team we don't have loads and loads of ex team captains, but a fair number, and I would'nt say that they act like "Chiefs" when what we need are "Indians". In fact I think that the captains are usually those who are prepared to make the biggest sacrifice for the team a lot of the time - the days of making the "best player" captain just because he's a billy big boots show off are long gone. The likes of Hammond, Davis, Richardson, Seabourne, Fonte Chaplow and new recruit Davis, even Cork was captain of England under 19's....are any of those describable as "chiefs" in the pejorative sense you insinuate? They are all or were all team captains...theres maybe others...If anything those names are players who in cycling terms would be called the gregari of the team - the hardworking water carriers.....i think that Saints success has been built on an ALL chiefs approach rather than the old fashioned "indians and chiefs distinction which i think you refer to.

Don't bother, Charlie is a bit of an oddball WUM who rarely makes any sense.

[buctootim]

He then moved to Blackburn in the close season, and by all accounts looked a shell of the player he was before. Big gamble IMO.

 

Whether its a big gamble or just a calculated one depends on whether you understand the reasons for his dip in form and whether you know the remedy for it (I don't pretend to to). Whether related to injury, Blackburn's defence setup, tactics, morale or some other reason I think I'd trust NA to make an informed judgement.

[The Kraken]

Whether its a big gamble or just a calculated one depends on whether you understand the reasons for his dip in form and whether you know the remedy for it (I don't pretend to to). Whether related to injury, Blackburn's defence setup, tactics, morale or some other reason I think I'd trust NA to make an informed judgement.

Well I think we'd all trust that. But a bit of healthy speculation never harmed anyone. If Blackburn are holding out for anywhere near £6M (and there's no news suggesting they need to sell) then I'm not sure I see too much value in it.

[buctootim]

Well I think we'd all trust that. But a bit of healthy speculation never harmed anyone. If Blackburn are holding out for anywhere near £6M (and there's no news suggesting they need to sell) then I'm not sure I see too much value in it.

 

Sure. Im not trying to stifle the debate. I have doubts about him at that price too.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Dann: I've still got a lot to achieve.

 

Blackburn defender, Scott Dann has spoken about his potential move to premiership new boys, Southampton. The 25 year old defender said, "I'd love to join Southampton, they're the perfect club for me to achieve some of my personal ambitions. There comes a time in every players career where you have to ask yourself if you've achieved what you set out to do. It was pretty clear to me early on in my career that I was never going to be winning FA Cup and league titles so I set out to become the most relegated player in Premiership history. I've been successfully relegated with Birmingham and Blackburn and I see Southampton as the perfect club for me to make it a hat-trick of relegations in as many seasons. I really don't know what I'll do if this move doesn't come to fruition as I'm not sure how interested the likes of Wigan and Swansea are."

The stumbling block with the move appears to be Blackburn's £6m valuation of Dann, with Saints only looking to pay around half that amount. Rovers manager, Steve Keen said, "Scott is an ambitious young lad who has the potential to be relegated many more times in his career. We've spoken to him at great length and whilst we're in a position to offer relegation from the Championship, Scott feels he'd be better off concentrating on his target of Premiership relegations. I've spoken to the board about his decision and they're keen to hold out for the £6m asking price. They believe the figure is a small price to pay for somebody with a proven track record and the ambition and desire to further his career."

[Saint Charlie]

Dann: I've still got a lot to achieve.

 

Blackburn defender, Scott Dann has spoken about his potential move to premiership new boys, Southampton. The 25 year old defender said, "I'd love to join Southampton, they're the perfect club for me to achieve some of my personal ambitions. There comes a time in every players career where you have to ask yourself if you've achieved what you set out to do. It was pretty clear to me early on in my career that I was never going to be winning FA Cup and league titles so I set out to become the most relegated player in Premiership history. I've been successfully relegated with Birmingham and Blackburn and I see Southampton as the perfect club for me to make it a hat-trick of relegations in as many seasons. I really don't know what I'll do if this move doesn't come to fruition as I'm not sure how interested the likes of Wigan and Swansea are."

The stumbling block with the move appears to be Blackburn's £6m valuation of Dann, with Saints only looking to pay around half that amount. Rovers manager, Steve Keen said, "Scott is an ambitios young lad who has the potential to be relegated many more times in his career. We've spoken to him at great length and whilst we're in a position to offer relegation from the Championship, Scott feels he'd be better on concentrating on his target of Premiership relegations. I've spoken to the board about his decision and they're keen to hold out for the £6m asking price. They believe the figure is a small price to pay for somebody with a proven track record and the ambition and desire to further his career."

 

Bizarre post IMO. WUM.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Bizarre post IMO. WUM.

 

FFS. Get a sense of humour!

[Saint Charlie]

FFS. Get a sense of humour!

 

Ive sent you a PM, lets take this little spat offline.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Ive sent you a PM, lets take this little spat offline.

 

Fight! Fight! Fight!

[View From The Top]

Dann was very highly rated & turned us down last season when we tried to buy him as he was convinced he'd be going to a "big" club. He really, really didn't want to sign for BRFC hence leaving it to virtually the last minute to sign & didn't really hide it.

 

As for Johnson. He's been put on his arse twice by team mates on the training ground, as turned up for training ****ed on more than one occasion & is loathed by the backroom staff.

[Saint Charlie]

Dann was very highly rated & turned us down last season when we tried to buy him as he was convinced he'd be going to a "big" club. He really, really didn't want to sign for BRFC hence leaving it to virtually the last minute to sign & didn't really hide it.

 

As for Johnson. He's been put on his arse twice by team mates on the training ground, as turned up for training ****ed on more than one occasion & is loathed by the backroom staff.

 

This is right, after being linked with Arsenal and Liverpool all summer Dann must have been thrilled to end up at Blackburn, and then it got even worse with the Venkys stuff.

[Thedelldays]

is he in here..? if so, no wonder he was shyt last season...how could you play for this lot

 

[suewhistle]

Source? Perhaps Dann has more potential than he showed, or wanted to show at Blackburn?

 

P.S. Saint Charlie, I laughed...

[S-Clarke]

Here are lots of views from Birmingham fans, very positve, and laughs in the face of the 2 fans that told me he was slow.

 

Dann was, and still is a class defender. I think he had a stop start season with Blackburn last season due to injuries, and he seems to be getting himself that sort of rep, good but injury prone.

 

Johnson would play through the pain barrier and was simply awesome in that respect. I agree with the other posts that when they were together, a better central defensive partnership would have been difficult to find.

 

First season up and you look to bring players in that can do the job at that level and also give you a fighting chance of staying up. Dann gives you both those.

 

Good luck!

 

 

Good luck next season.

 

Scott Dann is a classy defender. He reads the game well, can pass the ball out of defense, strong in the air and he has decent pace. He will be a great signing for you.

Scott Dann is by far the better of the two defenders.

 

Saints will have a good centre back if they buy Dann.

 

Dann can be an excellent CB, the wheels have fell off a little bit and he looked shakey from what I saw last season.

 

He is not a commanding CB and would need the 'big man' next to him, but could almost play in midfield with the ball at his feet!

More Rio Ferdinand than John Terry, but if you have a big commanding CB next to him , I think you will get a good player there.

 

 

Scott Dann is a great centre half when he's got a leader alongside him. Don't expect him to be the commanding centre half, but he'll read the game well and cover for his defensive partner brilliantly.

 

Dann is the better footballer.

 

Johnson is the better defender.

 

Combined + 2 able full backs and a commanding keeper (plus two wingers who were basically glorified full backs themselves as McLeish hardly encouraged Seb Larsson to attack down the right, and usually played Fahey, a CM, left wing).. they're fine.

 

 

They both left, and both have struggled because their flaws have been found out, not in an ultra defensive system.

 

Unless you intend on playing to draw/not to lose, like McLeish does, he'll be OK but theres far better options out there

 

I''d rather have dann than johnson, anyday. dann is a better footballer and more able to adapt, johnson likes everything to suit him and needs someone with him he can rely on. neither one has done great since leaving but if you look at how well they've got on since they left johnson has been terrible.

as for him going to saints he won't keep you up on his own, but put him in a decent defence he'll definately play a part in it, and imo its a good signing for you

 

Dann is a much better player than Johnson.

 

It actually used to annoy me a bit, when Johnson was the one the Blues fans gave more praise to, during the 2009/10 season.

 

When Dann got injured in the middle of the 2010/11 season, we certainly found out who the better player was!

 

Dann will be a Premier League for years to come and even pick up a few England caps, where as Johnson will probably one of those players who was highly rated but ends up losing it a bit and playing for a midtable Championship team.

 

 

He basically sounds like a very cultured, technical centre back. We all know how much NA likes the CB's to be able to play out from the back...so that would explain why we want him as much as we do.

Edited 23 July, 2012 by S-Clarke

[Glasgow_Saint]

Think we have a few closet Blackburn fans on here, amazed how many Blackburn games 'Saints' super fans watched last season!!?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Blackburn demanding a pretty steep £6m for Dann now apparently:

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9833012.Blackburn_slap___6million_price_tag_on_Dann/

[The Kraken]

Here are lots of views from Birmingham fans, very positve, and laughs in the face of the 2 fans that told me he was slow.

 

Dann can be an excellent CB, the wheels have fell off a little bit and he looked shakey from what I saw last season.

 

He is not a commanding CB and would need the 'big man' next to him, but could almost play in midfield with the ball at his feet!

More Rio Ferdinand than John Terry, but if you have a big commanding CB next to him , I think you will get a good player there.

Scott Dann is a great centre half when he's got a leader alongside him. Don't expect him to be the commanding centre half, but he'll read the game well and cover for his defensive partner brilliantly.

 

As previously thought, and with Blackburn seemingly holding out for £6M, apparently we get another Jose Fonte. I don't see the value in that at all.

 

Combined + 2 able full backs and a commanding keeper (plus two wingers who were basically glorified full backs themselves as McLeish hardly encouraged Seb Larsson to attack down the right, and usually played Fahey, a CM, left wing).. they're fine.

 

They both left, and both have struggled because their flaws have been found out, not in an ultra defensive system. Unless you intend on playing to draw/not to lose, like McLeish does, he'll be OK but theres far better options out there.

 

That's not how we play. At all. Lallana cannot be considered in any form a glorified full back. Nor can Guly, de Ridder or even Chaplow. Our full backs are also very attacking, and the addition of Clyne does nothing to redress that approach.

 

Yes, there are also a number of positive comments I also left out. Dann could be a very good signing, but I'd just be concerned we'd be spending a considerable sum of money and not actually getting the player we truly need. If we do buy 2 CBs and the next one is the better, commanding player that Dann supposedly needs then fine. In Nige we trust and all that.

[alpine_saint]

Blackburn demanding a pretty steep £6m for Dann now apparently:

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9833012.Blackburn_slap___6million_price_tag_on_Dann/

 

 

Its the silly season...

[Danbert]

Kjaer is an interesting one, I'd have said no chance, but Wolfsburg want shot - they have come out and said they want him gone by the end of the window, and after his pretty average showing at Roma last year (when he was on loan) there aren't a great deal of ''Top takers''.

 

No harm in trying, he's available for under £5m too.

 

Personally I'd rather have Dann.

[InvictaSaint]

Any further news on this front?

[itchen_dan]

Seems Sunderland are prepared to offer Blackburn £5m for him

 

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/7979642/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Saint Charlie]

In his last press conference when Adkins was asked about Dann he said "right position, maybe not the right name".

[itchen_dan]

In his last press conference when Adkins was asked about Dann he said "right position, maybe not the right name".

 

I know. Still think our no. 1 target for CB is Jean-Armel Kana-Biyik. £5m got rejected so shows we're prepared to spend a decent whack on him.

 

AC Milan have recently said they're no longer interested in him but Roma have come into the frame so who knows?

Edited 10 August, 2012 by itchen_dan

[toofarnorth]

This is definitely our most important position to get sorted in the next week or so.

[Saint Charlie]

I know. Still think our no. 1 target for CB is Jean-Armel Kana-Biyik. £5m got rejected so shows we're prepared to spend a decent whack on him.

 

AC Milan have recently said they're no longer interested in him so who knows?

 

Have you got a link to the Milan bit? He does sound what we need, strong and pacy.

[Thedelldays]

in talks today...

 

Was he is talks pat?

[itchen_dan]

Have you got a link to the Milan bit? He does sound what we need, strong and pacy.

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.milannews.it%2F%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D87870%26utm_source%3Dtwitterfeed%26utm_medium%3Dtwitter

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lequipe.fr%2FFootball%2FActualites%2FLa-roma-suit-kana-biyik%2F304662

[Chez]

Had a long chat at the weekend about Dan with my brummie ST holder friend. Great in the air and fast, but perhaps needs a strong, vocal leader next to him. Brums struggles came when him and Zigic were both injured. "we could do a lot worse" than buying him for £6m. He didn't think his wages would be astronomic. I suggested we rescue Johnson and create two centre half pairings, but he thought a season in the Championship might do him some good. Massive ego, apparently.

 

I don't actually see a huge panic here. Fonte's had a slight dip in form in the middle of the season, but he had a broken toe, he recovered and by the end of the season he was playing well again. He'll be fine so long as he respects the talent he is up against and doesn't dive in like he did when he knew he was the better player. if he adjusts he could well have a fine season. Cover is thin, but Seaborne may actually suit the Prem better as it was in the air that he struggled not on the deck. We'll get someone in I'm sure, but don't underestimate how well the current pairing did last season.

[Saint Charlie]

Had a long chat at the weekend about Dan with my brummie ST holder friend. Great in the air and fast, but perhaps needs a strong, vocal leader next to him. Brums struggles came when him and Zigic were both injured. "we could do a lot worse" than buying him for £6m. He didn't think his wages would be astronomic. I suggested we rescue Johnson and create two centre half pairings, but he thought a season in the Championship might do him some good. Massive ego, apparently.

 

I don't actually see a huge panic here. Fonte's had a slight dip in form in the middle of the season, but he had a broken toe, he recovered and by the end of the season he was playing well again. He'll be fine so long as he respects the talent he is up against and doesn't dive in like he did when he knew he was the better player. if he adjusts he could well have a fine season. Cover is thin, but Seaborne may actually suit the Prem better as it was in the air that he struggled not on the deck. We'll get someone in I'm sure, but don't underestimate how well the current pairing did last season.

 

Thanks - from the pre season games Ive seen Seaborne actually looked the most composed defender and by far the best passer of the CBs.

[Saint Charlie]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.milannews.it%2F%3Faction%3Dread%26idnotizia%3D87870%26utm_source%3Dtwitterfeed%26utm_medium%3Dtwitter

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lequipe.fr%2FFootball%2FActualites%2FLa-roma-suit-kana-biyik%2F304662

 

Thanks

[Chez]

Thanks - from the pre season games Ive seen Seaborne actually looked the most composed defender and by far the best passer of the CBs.

he is actually very good on the ball, but it's his defending that he must get right. He's only young and could develop into a player, that said he has made me very nervous on several occasions in League 1 so god know what the Prem will do.

[skintsaint]

but Seaborne may actually suit the Prem better as it was in the air that he struggled not on the deck.

 

Hmm not too sure about that, seeing Gervinho turn him in out about three times before Forecast let the shot in didn't really convince me that he could do a job this season. I wish to be pleasantly surprised but would rather get a good centre back in. Who..? Dunno I guess that's the problem!

[The9]

In his last press conference when Adkins was asked about Dann he said "right position, maybe not the right name".

 

Yeah, even getting rid of Harding we still have too many "Dan(n)"s in the squad.

[Thedelldays]

going back for him in january....according to the sun

[itchen_dan]

And in the Mail

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2245569/Southampton-want-sign-Scott-Dann.html

[david in sweden]

Exactly, 1 player does not relegate a team, it's a collective failure which often boils down to the manager. As it did with Blackburn who had more than enough quality to stay up if managed in the right way.

 

well said Clarke-y ....was about to write the same comment....

[david in sweden]

Yeah, even getting rid of Harding we still have too many "Dan(n)"s in the squad.

 

.that's soon remedied.....Dan Harding has gone already and Danny Fox's days look numbered.....if we had many more we'd sound more like a judo club;

first Dan, second Dan, third Dan ......

[London Saint]

And in the Mail

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2245569/Southampton-want-sign-Scott-Dann.html

 

But with Fonte and Yoshida playing well and developing a decent partnership now...which one would make way for Dann? I guess Jos is our only cover for those two so far, therefore it makes sense to sign this guy and have 4 CBs to choose from in case of injury etc..