bowers-sfc Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12433/7926056/Red-Bull-under-investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 They could be in big trouble... if found guilty, it's a pretty cut-and-dried case of cheating. I'm more confident that cases are dealt with fairly and equally these days, now that Max Mosley is no longer in charge (horrible little weasel of a man) - but I still have no idea what kind of penalty might be applied. If the dodgy engine map has been applied at only this event, then I expect them to have their results from the race expunged. But if they've been cheating all year, then there's no predicting what the penalty will be. The words of Jo Bauer suggest it may be a German GP-only issue: "Having examined the engine base torque map of car numbers 01 and 02 it became apparent that the maximum torque output of both engines is significantly less in the mid rpm range than previously seen at other events," said Bauer in the statement. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101403 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 Hmmm... it seems like they've got away with it for this race, but I expect the rules to get "clarified" in the new few days. I also wouldn't be surprised to see an appeal from some rival teams against them getting away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 Could be a double penalty for Vettel then. Can't see how he will escape a penalty for that overtake on Button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 Could be a double penalty for Vettel then. Can't see how he will escape a penalty for that overtake on Button. One down, one to go. A 20 second penalty for Vettel and demoted to 5th as a result. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18947482 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18946719 So Vettel spits his dummy out when Hamilton does something he is clearly entitled to do within the rules of the sport, while maintaining that he did nothing wrong in overtaking Button while clearly outside the boundaries of the track. Oh dear. I used to like Vettel but he doesn't appear to be a very good sport when he isn't miles out in front like he was throughout last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 If the FIA and Formula 1 want to really make the sport a driving challenge, they should source 24 identical cars to be allocated by random draw before the practice sessions. I dont understand why RedBull and Ferrari should be continuously penalised for being innovative and actually having a massive knock-on effect down-the-line on the performance and economy of the cars you and I drive every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18946719 So Vettel spits his dummy out when Hamilton does something he is clearly entitled to do within the rules of the sport, while maintaining that he did nothing wrong in overtaking Button while clearly outside the boundaries of the track. Oh dear. I used to like Vettel but he doesn't appear to be a very good sport when he isn't miles out in front like he was throughout last season. He's German, FFS. Its a national characterisitc that they mercilessly hammer others then whine like babies when "the others" have the temerity to fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 If the FIA and Formula 1 want to really make the sport a driving challenge, they should source 24 identical cars to be allocated by random draw before the practice sessions. I dont understand why RedBull and Ferrari should be continuously penalised for being innovative and actually having a massive knock-on effect down-the-line on the performance and economy of the cars you and I drive every day. Wow - way to fight two very opposing arguments in the same post...teams should be as innovative as possible in their car designs but all cars should be the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 Wow - way to fight two very opposing arguments in the same post...teams should be as innovative as possible in their car designs but all cars should be the same! Erm, try reading it again, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 Jon Noble @NobleF1 FIA clarification on engine maps is expected within 48 hours - and is set to prevent RBR using what it had in Germany http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101476 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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