supersonic Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 I remember a similar thread on Reading at the end of last season. The only team we have a rivalry with is the fishy lot down the road. Brighton/Reading/Bournemouth (+any others) are just smaller clubs wanting to start something with us. Bournemouth and Brighton were one hit wonders, and Reading, well, in a town where the majority of people support other teams, just about says it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Reading is our new plastic temporary rivalry for the moment, who else is remotely nearby and in the same league? Bournemouth and Brighton were eclipsed last season and the year before and that lot down the road won't be around for nearly a whole year... I'm still hoping the Skates cling on long enough for us to draw them in R2 of the Capital One Cup but I have serious doubts that they'll last, survive, or win a match if they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Brighton: tinpot club, no history, no nostalgia, no class, no credibility, no respect I suspect they feel that if they have a 'traditional rivalry' with someone it makes them credible and longstanding as a legit football club...... they're a comedy act orchestrated by King Clown Poyet what does stick in my mind is that Poyet was mentioned more than once on here during the wilderness years as a potential manager for us.....the thought chills me to the bone whatever happens next season, I believe NA will go down in the club and supporter records/annals for all the right reasons....I desperately hope he is successful with our club as he strikes me as an honest, decent and passionate man......personally, one of my disappointments during the dark years was that we stopped being many peoples' favourite 'second team'.......'Southampton, tucked away on the South Coast, never going to win the league but always capable of beating anybody on their day, and never an easy place to travel to.....a breeding ground for some great young players'....I loved that underdog tag.....I've had various feedback about NC, in particular from a friend who is the Chairman of a championship club, and it wasn't complimentary, but ultimately, I feel like there are standards at our club which are sadly lacking in this day and age, and that NC and NA are the men to take it forwards....please forgive the Daily Mail style rant, but it feels great to feel good about my club again after so long......COYR!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Talking about made up rivalry I remember the one we tried to create with spurs around 2001ish Got a bit OTT really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Quite like Brighton. Had a great day out at Goldstone for Fans United day and have kept half an eye on results since, They performed a miracle staying in the league that year. Don't particularly like Poyet, but that has nothing to do with him being manager of Brighton. And didn't care much about the supposed rivalry in the 2011 promotion compaign. Their fans got wound up, some of ours got wound up. That's football. Have to say that Brighton is a great night out though, far better than Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Was at the Amex stadium for a work thing a couple of weeks ago. Absolute rubbish considering all the hype. Whats with the stands at either end? I've played in front of bigger at school boy level. And what the **** are those white blobs on the seats suppose to be?!! Seagulls? Looks like a seagull has taken a big **** to me. Concrete:Seats ratio is all wrong. It demeans us to have any sort or rivalry with such nobodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Talking about made up rivalry I remember the one we tried to create with spurs around 2001ish Got a bit OTT really. Never felt anything towards spurs...but I did want us to rub Hoddles nose in it (which is why that FA cup game at SMS was so sweet). I Suppose it's a bit like Brighton it was more about disliking the arse of a manager than the club he works for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Talking about made up rivalry I remember the one we tried to create with spurs around 2001ish Got a bit OTT really. That one died off when we got Hoddle sacked and stuffing them in the 2003 FA Cup was the icing on the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Concrete:Seats ratio is all wrong. It demeans us to have any sort or rivalry with such nobodies. My rising hatred of Brighton for their general imbecilic behaviour towards Adkins (which was especially obvious at Withdean) was tempered by the end of that match by us beating them hilariously late on and totally rubbing it in their faces. The 3-0 thrashing of them at St Mary's was funny due to the terrible reffing and inevitable Taricco red card, and the defeat at the AMEX after the usual Poyet-led antics got Lambert sent off didn't even bother me that much because I was too busy laughing at their crappy new stadium's general pokiness and how many points ahead of them we were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 (edited) Personally I like them and the majority of their fans. They have had it very tough for many years and I'm glad they have come through those tough times to be where they are now. They deserved to win League 1 and they showed last season that they are still moving in an upwardly direction. The stadium is terrific and now they have permission to fill in the gaps it will become a superb venue. I think it is better than ours visually, all be it at a lot more cost. Our own stadium expansion plans might tip things back in our favour though. I think they might get promoted this season and I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. Great place to visit, excellent away day. Yes the manager is a bit of a plum, but compared to moaners like the Clot he's not that bad. He's a winner and if Adkins went for any reason he'd be a great replacement. I have massive respect for their owner. He has pumped in millions to get that stadium built. Edited 23 July, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Cracking day, as was millwall away in that cup run. 10,000 saints were at the goldstone , how many walking along the track towards brighton after the train broke down? am i just seeing things through rose tinted glasses or were away days in the fa cup much more special back then? Yes, packed special trains, best team available. The FA Cup was a special competition then. It's hardly worth watching now with all the reserve players drafted in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Brighton fans do go around collecting grudges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Was at the Amex stadium for a work thing a couple of weeks ago. Absolute rubbish considering all the hype. Whats with the stands at either end? I've played in front of bigger at school boy level. And what the **** are those white blobs on the seats suppose to be?!! Seagulls? Looks like a seagull has taken a big **** to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Brighton and Southampton are just too far apart to be 'local rivals' and just as well when you see what should be friendly rivalry between people who love football turn into the mindless loathing demonstrated by some Saints and Pompy supporters. We did have a season of rivalry with Brighton simply because our club and theirs were competing for the L1 title but that faded once Brighton were not contenders for a promotion place in the NpC. But rivals or not, there's no point belittling a football club that like many others has a long history and despite years in the lower divisions and some scrapes with oblivion, has come through to have a decent team with some financial backing and a modern ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Even Football Manager models gradations of rivalry God i wish people would stop judging football on a fu.cking spreadsheet, it's about as interesting and relevant as judging sex on the census. As for Brighton, they're meh', i think the town is awesome and always had a good laugh on nights out there (so many fit women there too it's stupid). Never felt much about the club expect when they were in trouble and i wanted them to survive. Bit like Bournemouth really, a nice club with generally decent fans who i want to do well as they're south coast. They (in brighton's case) have a bit of a bell end for a manager (much like the cherries do for a chairman) but as others have said that's not really a rivalry. Was pretty surprised by how much they tried to jump on us as a rivalry actually, since i'd expect from a small club like bournemouth but brighton don't have a bad history and actually have real rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 23 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 July, 2012 God i wish people would stop judging football on a fu.cking spreadsheet, it's about as interesting and relevant as judging sex on the census. I admire your strong articulation of your position, but I think you're off the mark. Football Manager is not football and no-one is suggesting that it is. It's am imperfect model of the football universe, and absent massive leaps in processor power (and perhaps Turing-compliant AI for the manager interactions), it's always going to be limited. That said, the makers have modelled the game so that clubs can have multiple rivalries, and that those rivalries can have different levels of intensity. There is a stat called disliked clubs. It's a percentage. Here's a list of our rivals from FM :- I don't think those principles are too far from reality, are they? How many teams are rivals with Manchester United for example? Real Madrid's main rival is Barcelona, but they have a dormant rivalry with Bayern which erupts whenever the fixture comes up. There are plenty of mechanics in Football Manager that you can look at and say "yep, they haven't got that right" - and you'd be fully justified in saying it isn't remotely comparable. The whole team talks / dealing with players side of it is just bafflingly unintuitive. To be fair to them, that's an aspect of the game that'll take years (and perhaps a couple of big processing jumps) for anyone to get right. Or you could just look at the universe-altering mechanic of reloading previous saves, and that'd be fair enough. The bit you've picked on is a bit more clear-cut. It's crude, and it's never going to model very specific cases "I hate Spurs because a Spurs fan spat in my sarnie!", but it pretty much covers it. We do hate Pompey 100%, don't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 That one died off when we got Hoddle sacked and stuffing them in the 2003 FA Cup was the icing on the cake. You could say that brightens general dislike for us was pretty short lived in general Not a great deal with this and our pretty embarrassing made up rivalry with spurs But no one will see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 Talking about made up rivalry I remember the one we tried to create with spurs around 2001ish Got a bit OTT really. Besides the Hoddle issue, didn't that one come from the Richards transfer (RIP) and Lowe's North London Yobbos comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rabbit Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 My rising hatred of Brighton for their general imbecilic behaviour towards Adkins (which was especially obvious at Withdean) was tempered by the end of that match by us beating them hilariously late on and totally rubbing it in their faces. The 3-0 thrashing of them at St Mary's was funny due to the terrible reffing and inevitable Taricco red card, and the defeat at the AMEX after the usual Poyet-led antics got Lambert sent off didn't even bother me that much because I was too busy laughing at their crappy new stadium's general pokiness and how many points ahead of them we were. I read this without reading the poster name and decided it was written by you before checking. Genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 Didn't Adkins make an ill-advised comment about Brighton that fired up their fans and may have motivated their players, when he spoke about whether Brighton could "keep up" with Saints? It was November in the L1 promotion year and Brighton were 8 points ahead of us when they got a 0-0 draw at the SMS so to talk about Brighton keeping up was seen by their fans and players as provocative and condescending. It wasn't suprising that their fans were anti-Saints come the away game at the Withdean when Brighton were enjoying the fact that we hadn't been able to catch up with them by a fair margin. But then to rub it in, we beat them at Withdean ending their unbeaten home record, plus Dean Hammond upset his ex-Brighton fans. But it was all more of a short phase with reasons for their dislike of us, rather than genuine rivalry. Since then things have settled down to Saints being above the Albion, and in a higher league, which has been the way of things for most of the past 50 years. Its up to SFC now to move up to another level as an established Premier Club, just as previously we were an established Div.1 and Premiership club. Even though Brighton were in Div 1 for about 4 years some 30 years ago, established in the top tier thay have never been and look unlikely to get back any time soon. There really does have to be an element of balance between two clubs for genuine rivalry, and even with Pompy we have only had that in short periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 I like Brighton. As someone else said, they've had it tough for a good few years, but have worked hard to get where they are and good luck to them. Some of their fans are alright too. Reading are another club who have battled away before a big money owner came in, but at least they appear to have done things the right way. And all the Reading fans i've met have been fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 24 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 24 July, 2012 Brighton currently giving our arch-rivals a birruva spanking ( copyright: Cilla Black's Essential Guide to BDSM ). 5-1 right now. Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 I read this without reading the poster name and decided it was written by you before checking. Genius. I can do that with every single one of your posts. You tard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 Talking about made up rivalry I remember the one we tried to create with spurs around 2001ish Got a bit OTT really. They may not ever really have been a rival.... ....But I still really dislike them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 24 July, 2012 Share Posted 24 July, 2012 Brighton have never been seen as 'local' rivals to Saints, for the most part they've inhabited lower leagues than us, secondly they are effing miles away and thirdly Reading & Aldershot and Bournemouth are all much closer. They're just another team that comes and goes. Might as well say Everton are rivals as we've played them more often. Crawley are their local derby team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 25 July, 2012 Share Posted 25 July, 2012 I can do that with every single one of your posts. You tard. Are you sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 25 July, 2012 Share Posted 25 July, 2012 Brighton have never been seen as 'local' rivals to Saints, for the most part they've inhabited lower leagues than us, secondly they are effing miles away and thirdly Reading & Aldershot and Bournemouth are all much closer. They're just another team that comes and goes. Might as well say Everton are rivals as we've played them more often. Crawley are their local derby team True, and within a few short seasons they will be playing each other in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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