pap Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Blimey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/20/masked-gunman-batman-screening-denver Life imitating art. Some of the audience apparently thought it was a gimmick. Didn't move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Why the mask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Why the mask? it's thought he used teargas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Shocking And apparently, he shot a baby at point blank range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 20 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Like most people, I genuinely don't know what goes through the minds of people who do this. I'm sure there have been studies done on the subject. Does anyone know of any decent ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 I think this statement from the BBC is telling: "The cinema where the attack took place is just under 20 miles from Columbine High School, where two students shot dead 13 people in 1999" Americas crazy "Rights to arms policy" just breeds crazed gunmen which in turn creates copycat crazed gunmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 I think this statement from the BBC is telling: "The cinema where the attack took place is just under 20 miles from Columbine High School, where two students shot dead 13 people in 1999" Americas crazy "Rights to arms policy" just breeds crazed gunmen which in turn creates copycat crazed gunmen? And the oft-quoted defence of that policy, being 'the right to defend yourself' would've made f*ck-all difference in this (and many similar) cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 It's their birth-right to arm themselves. When will they learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_in_munich Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Makes no difference Geezer, look at Dunblane and Raoul Moat but guns are illegle in the UK, nutcases like this will commit these awful crimes no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Makes no difference Geezer, look at Dunblane and Raoul Moat but guns are illegle in the UK, nutcases like this will commit these awful crimes no matter what. Hey mate, how are you? You're right to a certain point, there are nutters everywhere, but these atrocities are more frequent over your side of the pond where it is a lot easier to get hold of the tools to do it. It's like any law, someone will find away around it, that doesn't mean you should make it easy for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 There will always be kids like Robert (in the song), however it should be as close to impossible as possible for them to get their hands on guns. The sad truth is that in America, it is easy for anyone to get their hands on a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking #Colorado cinema shooting: suspect's flat is booby-trapped - devices look sophisticated, police say. Updates LIVE http://bbc.in/Mqf98f Booby-trapped flat? Sounds like the shooter planned it in detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 (edited) Makes no difference Geezer, look at Dunblane and Raoul Moat but guns are illegle in the UK, nutcases like this will commit these awful crimes no matter what. That's true, but it makes it a lot harder to do so if guns are hard to get hold of. And I imagine the planning stage is easier to get through as well because you don't have to conceal the fact you are buying/owning guns. Also, a lot of shootings in the US are just went people snap. And sometimes people do just snap and a person which just loses it one day with a gun compared to someone without a gun makes a lot of difference. The event in the US is absolutely awful. Edited 20 July, 2012 by Saintandy666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Knowing how the US works, they'll probably ban Batman films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Absolutely disgusting, it's just ****ing hideous. Watching the news reports now. RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Genuinely not sure of the stats, but I wonder if you took the population of the states, and compared it to the sum of the biggest countries in europe, then compared these attrocities, whether they really would be more frequent in the states? It seems they happen a lot in europe too, in the space of (um... not long?) we've had raoul moat, the grenade/gun attack in liege and the nutter in Norway... just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Genuinely not sure of the stats, but I wonder if you took the population of the states, and compared it to the sum of the biggest countries in europe, then compared these attrocities, whether they really would be more frequent in the states? It seems they happen a lot in europe too, in the space of (um... not long?) we've had raoul moat, the grenade/gun attack in liege and the nutter in Norway... just saying... Pretty sure they are staggeringly higher here in the States. It's a sad state of affairs, and these things are going to happen. And you can't really disarm a country where it's been a right to carry a gun for centuries. There are too many of them in circulation, many in the wrong hands, how can you tell someone they have no right to defend themselves. It is pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 how can you tell someone they have no right to defend themselves. I don't think anyone is saying that you have no right to defend yourself, just not with a bloody gun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Makes no difference Geezer, look at Dunblane and Raoul Moat but guns are illegle in the UK, nutcases like this will commit these awful crimes no matter what. It was actually Dunblane that made the (then) government ban all cartridge handguns as a response. Besides it is still perfectly legal to own certain guns in the UK providing you have a licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 I don't think anyone is saying that you have no right to defend yourself, just not with a bloody gun! How else are you supposed to defend against a gun? Look, I loath the vile things, don't get me wrong, but when you have millions of them in circulation because of ****ed up laws stemming from the birth of the country....? It's a horrible situation with no real solution IMO. The availability of semi-automatics though is unbelievably ridiculous. I don't know Baj, you could be right. What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 July, 2012 Share Posted 20 July, 2012 I don't think anyone is saying that you have no right to defend yourself, just not with a bloody gun! Or with a range of firepower only available to the military in other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 Sickening. Gun's have to be outlawed in the US. The more administrations that continue to support this, the more blood on the US Governments hands. END IT NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulSaint Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 Interesting piece below in the Guardian, it's title explains that 84 people are shot to death every day! http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/20/america-needs-talk-gun-control-wake-colorado 2 other staggering quotes for me were: "America's president, Barack Obama, understands this. The number of homicide victims in his home town of Chicago this year has outnumbered those of US troops serving in Kabul." "Americans are no more prone to mental illness or violence than any other people in the world. What they do have is more guns: roughly, 90 for every 100 people. And regions and states with higher rates of gun ownership have significantly higher rates of homicide than states with lower rates of gun ownership." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 Why were there lots of children at a 13 rated showing of the film after midnight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 Why were there lots of children at a 13 rated showing of the film after midnight? including a baby!!!! Dreadful situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 including a baby!!!! Dreadful situation You'll find kids, toddlers, babies at all manner of films. It's fairly normal to watch a film involving rape, murder or swearing with a baby screaming in the row behind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 No doubt now though, the usual people will say that Batman is the new Marilyn Manson and still ignore the fact that their high gun crime rate might just be linked to the free availability of guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 You'll find kids, toddlers, babies at all manner of films. It's fairly normal to watch a film involving rape, murder or swearing with a baby screaming in the row behind you. Just so long as there aren't any boobies. Find it amazing that there's nothing stopping you from taking a 5yo to see, for example, Saw or Hostel. I know its typical libertarian America but some common sense does need to be applied to protect people from themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 So he had an Armalite rifle (semi-auto assault rifle), a couple of Glocks, and a Remington shotgun, all legally bought from gun stores over the last few months. Surely that's more guns than anyone can realistically need? Distant relative of a mate of mine was killed protecting his mates in this. Colorado still has the death penalty but hasn't used it for 50-odd years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 He was studying neuroscience and was (maybe) part of a mind control experiment. This is an interesting read: http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 22 July, 2012 Share Posted 22 July, 2012 Well surprise, surprise. Just two days after the shooting and we're already knee-deep in conspiracy theories. It was all a US government PsyOps operation. Holmes was an Oswald-like patsy. And it's all because of an upcoming UN vote on a small arms treaty. Freaking lunacy. http://www.examiner.com/article/conspiracy-theorists-call-dark-knight-shooting-a-staged-government-plot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 Well surprise, surprise. Just two days after the shooting and we're already knee-deep in conspiracy theories. It was all a US government PsyOps operation. Holmes was an Oswald-like patsy. And it's all because of an upcoming UN vote on a small arms treaty. Freaking lunacy. http://www.examiner.com/article/conspiracy-theorists-call-dark-knight-shooting-a-staged-government-plot It might be picked up by conspiracy theory weirdos, but I wouldnt be at all surprised if there wasnt some kind of rumour mongering going on by the NRA or other gun lobby organisations to deflect attention or public support away from gun control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 23 July, 2012 Share Posted 23 July, 2012 It might be picked up by conspiracy theory weirdos, but I wouldnt be at all surprised if there wasnt some kind of rumour mongering going on by the NRA or other gun lobby organisations to deflect attention or public support away from gun control. These kinds of incidents always freak out the gun lobby. The fact is, though, that gun control has become laxer, not tighter, since Columbine, so god knows what will happen now - perhaps it'll become a requirement that all Americans must keep a smorgasbord of semi-automatic weapons otherwise reserved for special forces in their homes. The whole constitutional 'right to bear arms' is smoke and mirrors anyway. As written, it's tied in with the right to raise militias (basically to defend against any counter-revolution from the British) and has nothing to do in intent with the right to enter cinemas, schools, banks, etc., and murder as many people as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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