Pwoite Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Does anyone else reckon that the club are trying really hard to give the youngsters every opportunity in pre-season, with the hope that at least one will do enough to make it onto the bench if not the starting eleven? If the club is serious in developing half its team from the youth ranks, then we need to prove that we can bring players through. I know we did that with Oxlade Chamberlain, but that was in the third tier, which is somewhat different. Potentially, Ward-Prowse and Shaw look like having potential, so maybe the Buttner deal, now we have Clyne and Shaw appears to have impressed in the last two games, isn't as important as it might have been a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 If you look head another season then you would feel that Buttner would make the left back role his plus Clyne for the right flank, this leaves Fox, Harding, Richardson & Butterfield moving on from the club. The season 2013-2014 we will have Shaw/Chambers/Prowse & the Plymouth lad knocking on the door for a first team place. No way are they ready this season but we can afford to add them on the bench for a 5 minute run out if we are winning easily or getting smashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Does anyone else reckon that the club are trying really hard to give the youngsters every opportunity in pre-season, with the hope that at least one will do enough to make it onto the bench if not the starting eleven? If the club is serious in developing half its team from the youth ranks, then we need to prove that we can bring players through. I know we did that with Oxlade Chamberlain, but that was in the third tier, which is somewhat different. Potentially, Ward-Prowse and Shaw look like having potential, so maybe the Buttner deal, now we have Clyne and Shaw appears to have impressed in the last two games, isn't as important as it might have been a week ago. The Buttner deal is important is we are to improve. It appeared that Shaw played in a more advanced role tonight, and both Fox and Buttner (from what we've seen on Youtube, admittedly) like to get forward too and can both play in LM so they can all cover Lallana. The 4 lads, Stephens, Shaw, Ward-Prowse and Chambers weren't promoted to the first team for the sake of it. They're all very talented and I'm sure that in the cup games this year, they'll all be in the starting X1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Out of the 4 that have been promoted to the first team squad We will be lucky if one of them makes it as a first team regular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Out of the 4 that have been promoted to the first team squad We will be lucky if one of them makes it as a first team regular This season or ever? I don't think for a second they were promoted with the intention of them regular starters this season, just that they're good enough as back up challenging for a place in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 This season or ever? I don't think for a second they were promoted with the intention of them regular starters this season, just that they're good enough as back up challenging for a place in the squad. Let's say the next 2 season.... Maybe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 (edited) It'll certainly be more difficult for them now than in League One, and we barely produced anyone then either... Er, Oxlade-Chamberlain aside, but he barely played 6 months and was gone by 17. Like Bale and Walcott, they broke in very young and left pretty quickly. Is it fair to say that if you're not good enough by 19 you're unlikely to be good enough? Or does this overlook the likes of Baird and Lallana? Fwiw I think Jack Stephens and James Ward-Prowse might have a shot at it. Ben Reeves, not based on his games last season. Shaw is somehow cursed for me to never see him play (I saw Saints v Arsenal but not Anderlecht on Saturday) and I can't judge Hoskins or Chambers due to not seeing them enough yet either. Edited 18 July, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I was especially impressed by Jack Stephens at CB in the Liebherr Cup, interesting given that his favoured position is RB. Possibly he played there due to a lack of options at CB but he was very solid and composed. Sounds like all 4 of the lads had good games today, Ward-Prowse and Shaw especially. Seemed to be involved in a lot of play. Have to say i'm very excited now about these guys breaking into the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I was especially impressed by Jack Stephens at CB in the Liebherr Cup, interesting given that his favoured position is RB. Possibly he played there due to a lack of options at CB but he was very solid and composed. Sounds like all 4 of the lads had good games today, Ward-Prowse and Shaw especially. Seemed to be involved in a lot of play. Have to say i'm very excited now about these guys breaking into the first team. No possibly about it, though we could have just played Hooiveld and Fonte there again I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Let's say the next 2 season.... Maybe 3 Why? Is your opinion based on any facts? We've certainly had a crop come through in the past if you want to go back 20 years, but I will admit it is a rarity. Just because it is rare doesn't mean it can't happen. Do you ever say anything positive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Out of the 4 that have been promoted to the first team squad We will be lucky if one of them makes it as a first team regular Would someone bookmark this, and throw it back in DD's face, like all the other musings of his that have proven to be oh so wrong!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Is it fair to say that if you're not good enough by 19 you're unlikely to be good enough? Or does this overlook the likes of Baird and Lallana? Les Reed has talked about how young players develop at different rates and giving them time to fulfil their potential so I think they understand that side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Why? Is your opinion based on any facts? We've certainly had a crop come through in the past if you want to go back 20 years, but I will admit it is a rarity. Just because it is rare doesn't mean it can't happen. Do you ever say anything positive? So you admit it is rare but at the same time berate DellDays for, err, saying it is rare. And you slate TDD for not basing his opinion on fact even though the fact is having groups of stars coming through is rare as you admit. But you decide to ignore this fact and base your opinion on simple optimism. Which is fine but not based on any more facts than TDD. Well done there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Is it fair to say that if you're not good enough by 19 you're unlikely to be good enough? I'd direct this question at SRL, or Grant Holt to name but two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 I'd direct this question at SRL, or Grant Holt to name but two! Les Ferdinand and Ian Wright are the classic "late developer" cards. I think you can make a case with players over 25 that they have a particular expected level and irrespective of performance it becomes difficult to progress beyond that. Lambert = L1 success, may have been at the top Championship striker level for years but never had the chance to prove it. Kids are more likely to get opportunities offered rather than necessarily earned, and are more likely to fly up or down the Leagues based on fewer performances, simply because they are a longer term investment and viewed as more likely to improve greatly than established players. A 28 year old L1 player on a hot streak is much less likely to get a dream move than Oxlade - Chamberlain was, purely because by then he's had 10 years of not being perceived as a top level player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 The Buttner deal is important is we are to improve. It appeared that Shaw played in a more advanced role tonight, and both Fox and Buttner (from what we've seen on Youtube, admittedly) like to get forward too and can both play in LM so they can all cover Lallana. Te 4 lads, Stephens, Shaw, Ward-Prowse and Chambers weren't promoted to the first team for the sake of it. They're all very talented hand I'm sure that in the cup games this year, they'll all be in the starting X1. agree totally, but most importantly, pre-seasons aren't just about "bonding" as a unit, it's giving the 17 year-olds a test against senior/professional players who don't play the game at Youth team level, and won't flinch in a tackle either. Even a fierce, but friendly pre-season warm-up is nowhere near the standard of a full-blooded Premier League game where three points /and /or survival issues are most important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 I think NA and NC should forget Büttner and focus on GK, CB and CM additions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 I think NA and NC should forget Büttner and focus on GK, CB and CM additions. You don't need to devote 24 hours out of your day to working on a signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 I'll be very interested to see what happens with the 4 youngsters this season, especially considering the amount of pre-season game time they're getting and the obvious impact they are having as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 . Shaw is somehow cursed for me to never see him play (I saw Saints v Arsenal but not Anderlecht on Saturday) and I can't judge Hoskins or Chambers due to not seeing them enough yet either. .....which makes it a good thing that neither you nor I are responsible for picking the side - doesn't it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 July, 2012 Share Posted 19 July, 2012 Hypo and I were just agreeing on another thread that the club may try and push shaw on this season and may have contributed to us pulling out of the Buttner deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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