Appy Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 De Ridder is quicker, has a better first touch, scores more goals from midfield and is better at tracking back (although neither is great in that regard). Neither is perfect but both have their uses. De Ridder changed the game when he came on against Ipswich and Hull last season. De Ridder is a winger, who can't cross and has no end product. Guly played a huge part in our most successful part of the season. Just because De Ridder runs fast and has the ****test chant our club has ever heard, fans seem to love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Depends on how much his salary is. If he's realistic then it's good to have him in the squad. If he's managed to negociate good prem wages then I'm not sure he's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 De Ridder is quicker, has a better first touch, scores more goals from midfield and is better at tracking back (although neither is great in that regard). Neither is perfect but both have their uses. De Ridder changed the game when he came on against Ipswich and Hull last season. Not sure how you work out that De Ridders 3 goals in his Saints career equates to scoring more goals from midfield. Or how you can say he has a better first touch, neither are particularly great. Or how he is better at tracking back when he's regularly been used as an attacking option off the bench when we've been chasing a game. Don't recall too many instances of great tracking back in those games. Well done on spotting that he is quicker though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 De Ridder is quicker, has a better first touch, scores more goals from midfield and is better at tracking back (although neither is great in that regard). Neither is perfect but both have their uses. De Ridder changed the game when he came on against Ipswich and Hull last season. What's that based on? De Ridder got 3 league goals last year, Guly got 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 De Ridder is just as bad for Guly for inconsistency if not worse. Average run of play for De Ridder: Comes on, runs down the right, cuts inside, slows down, has one man to beat... No two... No three, they're all getting back to mark him, he goes for the cross, it's deflected behind him for a throw in. The throw in comes to nothing. I really hope that we've learnt from the days of 'Here's his YouTube video, I know it's a side that does well to avoid relegation, but look! What a goal! I know it's a poorer standard of football, but look!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsfc Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Good news. Can be a game changer on his day. Miles better than De Ridder. The only thing Steeeeve has that Guly hasn't is pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 No player of ours should have to endure the abuse levied at Guly last season. That kind of behaviour is embarassing and demeans the club. Regardless of my thoughts of him our management has considered him important enough to extend his contract so that he will be here for another two years. If that is an appalling decision from a clueless management, please attack NA and NC for their cluelessness. Guly hasn't forced himself on us, but is here due to the boss wanting him. Let's get things right and leave him alone. Personally I'm delighted that he'll stay here, but he will be a better asset, as will all of us, if we are appreciated, rather than reviled. How would any of you cope at work if you received that kind of abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 What's that based on? De Ridder got 3 league goals last year, Guly got 11. Guly got 2 from midfield. Some people are getting very precious about Guly on here. Anyone who doesn't rate him is apparently clueless, yet anyone who doesn't think De Ridder is useless is also clueless. Apparently anyone who rates De Ridder only likes him because he can run around aimlessly whilst we shout 'Steve!' at him. They are 2 different players. Neither is without their faults, but both have something to offer. Guly's general build up play is good, he gets into decent possitions and knows how to finish. De Ridder is more direct, will run at players and yes he can put a decent cross in. No we wont swing them in every 5 minutes but that's not going to happen unless he is against a particularly poor LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Hopefully this extension is simply so that we don't get put in the position of him leaving as a free agent. Some may not like this, but if he plays for us it will mean that we are either ravaged with injuries or the rest of the squad aren't up to it. He's a poor player at championship level so i'm baffled by anyone who thinks he'll be any good in the Premier league. Listen to Mr Football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 I completely agree about the archaic view that if you run a lot to the point of exhaustion and are born and bred in the local area you're a good player. It's complete ********. I'll just say what I've always said. He's inconsistent and can make simple stuff look hard, yet on another day score a brace and look very good. I've seen him look scared of a football and shrug his shoulders, walk off with his head down when a defender marks him tightly, yet score a goal and inspire us to win from a goal down. I think he's a decent player. This for me is an excellent and concise summary of Guly's flaws. He is inconsistent, and when he's bad he can be so bad that it makes people form irreversible judgements about his overall ability. It's been mentioned a few times on here, if Guly was consistent he would most likely be at a top club. The fact is, he's not consistent so we will always have the debate "Is the "good Guly" contribution to the team significant enough to outweigh the "bad Guly" detriment to the team. For me, Good Guly shades it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 De Ridder is quicker, has a better first touch, scores more goals from midfield and is better at tracking back (although neither is great in that regard). Neither is perfect but both have their uses. De Ridder changed the game when he came on against Ipswich and Hull last season. Is this a joke? Better first touch? From the Northam it looks to me like De Ridder needs about 65 opportunities to produce either a good first touch or a good delivery. FWIW I'd imagine Guly as a decent squad player in the Prem. De Ridder was barely a decent option in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Good sub, think he can help us in the Prem. Not against the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 A versatile, positive attacking player who provides goals and assists. His major weakness is his poor positional play, which as a result means he has to do a lot more running than a more disciplined positional player. Make no mistake, his work-rate is second to none, he tracks back and covers a lot of ground. He's not going to be a first team regular, but gives us an extra option and enables NA to make tactical changes. Like most 'unconventional' players, he divides opinion amongst the saints fans. I don't quite get the "It doesn't matter about his goals and assists and pass completion rates, he's sh*t because he's Guly" argument. I've yet to see an anti-Guly argument with any more substance than that. Glad he's been given a new deal, looking forward to seeing him do his stuff in the Prem. Agree. Will spend some time on the bench I'm sure, but could be one of NA's " impact players " next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Agree. Will spend some time on the bench I'm sure, but could be one of NA's " impact players " next season. Seven spaces on the bench from now on though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Happy. Adds a different style of player. 20 odd goals for us already - More to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Good news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 I think Guly will perform well in the Prem, but I find it a bit strange that we didn't wait until January, when he would have been tested at that level, to offer him a contract extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Agree. Will spend some time on the bench I'm sure, but could be one of NA's " impact players " next season. At best with any luck. I'd hope we have enough better players rather than having to consider him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 If we needed to rely on Guly in anyway next season then id be very very worried! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 (edited) massive sigh of relief from Puncheon as the other whipping boy signs for another year. Judge them game to game and get behind them all... Edited 15 July, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 At best with any luck. I'd hope we have enough better players rather than having to consider him. I think you've said enough.. you obviously fail to see anything positive in Guly; although he is one of the best pickers of a pass in the team. Yes, he has off days, so does lallana, but Guly is a confidence player and if he reads your posts he will not achieve anything. Thank God you don't have a football brain; leave it to Nige :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Southampton FC @officialsaints Nigel Adkins: "Guly has been a vital part of what we have achieved during the past two seasons, so we were keen to keep him here Enough said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Great move - will be just like a new signing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Good news. Just needs to work on his success rate of winning headers now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Good news. Just needs to work on his success rate of winning headers now... Winning one would be a start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Nothing wrong with this extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Very happy with this. Like SaintSteve said he is one of the best pickes of a pass in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyp Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 He is a typical Brazillian excellent one day looks lazy the next. He has played pretty well for Saint over pasttwo years and played in lots of postions. Dont think people should lay in to him at all. Play him at home /bench away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 He has the ability but will need to up his work-rate in the Prem. In Nige we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 No player of ours should have to endure the abuse levied at Guly last season. That kind of behaviour is embarassing and demeans the club. Regardless of my thoughts of him our management has considered him important enough to extend his contract so that he will be here for another two years. If that is an appalling decision from a clueless management, please attack NA and NC for their cluelessness. Guly hasn't forced himself on us, but is here due to the boss wanting him. Let's get things right and leave him alone. Personally I'm delighted that he'll stay here, but he will be a better asset, as will all of us, if we are appreciated, rather than reviled. How would any of you cope at work if you received that kind of abuse. At what point did he get lots of abuse? I must have missed that. A few moans around me etc. (me included) about how crap he is, but never really heard a torrent of abuse from the fans. If you are going to write something claiming we are an embarrassment etc. try and make it factual. And I'd probably cope fine on 8 grand a week, probably 15/20 now, thats how i'd cope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 I think you've said enough.. you obviously fail to see anything positive in Guly; although he is one of the best pickers of a pass in the team. Yes, he has off days, so does lallana, but Guly is a confidence player and if he reads your posts he will not achieve anything. Thank God you don't have a football brain; leave it to Nige :-) He has more off days than on days. He reminds me of Le Tissier without the talent. As for negative posts/negative comments from the stands putting him off, well perhaps if he put in a bit more effort in the first place he wouldn't receive the deserved criticism he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 He is a typical Brazillian excellent one day looks lazy the next. He has played pretty well for Saint over pasttwo years and played in lots of postions. Dont think people should lay in to him at all. Play him at home /bench away In what position? He wont get a look in up front with Lambert, Rod, Lee and Sharp. We will need a far more consistent player in RM next season too. I think Guly will spend most of the time on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchi Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Good news - hope to see him perform well in a number of games at the highest level, just as he's done before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Once a year me and my 4 brothers in law go on a weekend jolly. Last year we went to the Derby v Saints game. None of them knew anything about Saints but by the end of the game they were all asking about Guly. They thought he was the best player on the pitch. I think he at least deserves a crack at the PL. Who knows, it may suit him better than the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 At what point did he get lots of abuse? I must have missed that. A few moans around me etc. (me included) about how crap he is, but never really heard a torrent of abuse from the fans. If you are going to write something claiming we are an embarrassment etc. try and make it factual. Indeed, I've never heard someone abusing the guy, complaints when he deserves it, one or two when he doesn't. What I can't stand is when fans go 'Hey, lay off the guy will you?'. Why should I? I'd be told if I was doing a bad job, why can't I say it about a professional footballer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Happy with this... Scores important goals and has a bit of creative nouse about him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Indeed, I've never heard someone abusing the guy, complaints when he deserves it, one or two when he doesn't. What I can't stand is when fans go 'Hey, lay off the guy will you?'. Why should I? I'd be told if I was doing a bad job, why can't I say it about a professional footballer? In life you have two types of people..... Winners and losers! For a long time SFC was happy with 2nd best, staying up was celebrated and average players and consistant below par performances were 'ok' Thankfully the club has now moved on - the club wants to be the best! sadly the speed of this transition has left alot of fans behind..... Alot of our fans will always celebrate failure as there expectations are so low. The losers in life accept second best - i like to call them happy clappers. They claim to be 'glass half full' ect but ultimately they are simply content with being and having the average. For all you happy clappy Guly fans i ask you to no longer settle for 2nd, 3rd, 4th - catch up with the rest of us and expect/demand and celebrate only being no.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Indeed, I've never heard someone abusing the guy, complaints when he deserves it, one or two when he doesn't. What I can't stand is when fans go 'Hey, lay off the guy will you?'. Why should I? I'd be told if I was doing a bad job, why can't I say it about a professional footballer? Can't believe you have never heard the abuse Guly gets, it is quite embarrassing some games, and usually totally unjustified. Have you never heard the ****s who phone in to Radio Solent after the game and blame Guly for everything. Of course sometimes he gets what he deserves he does have some games where he is not exceptional, so does Ricky but he doesn't get the abuse that Guly does. I will not say it is racist, but sometimes you do wonder with some of the abuse given to him. My daughter has Guly's name on her shirt, she gets quite upset with some of the stuff aimed his way by some morons in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 In life you have two types of people..... Winners and losers! For a long time SFC was happy with 2nd best, staying up was celebrated and average players and consistant below par performances were 'ok' Thankfully the club has now moved on - the club wants to be the best! sadly the speed of this transition has left alot of fans behind..... Alot of our fans will always celebrate failure as there expectations are so low. The losers in life accept second best - i like to call them happy clappers. They claim to be 'glass half full' ect but ultimately they are simply content with being and having the average. For all you happy clappy Guly fans i ask you to no longer settle for 2nd, 3rd, 4th - catch up with the rest of us and expect/demand and celebrate only being no.1 Great Post. Glad to see you're on the journey and not one of the stragglers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 I will not say it is racist, but sometimes you do wonder with some of the abuse given to him. I knew it wouldn't be long until the race card was played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Can't believe you have never heard the abuse Guly gets, it is quite embarrassing some games, and usually totally unjustified. Have you never heard the ****s who phone in to Radio Solent after the game and blame Guly for everything. Of course sometimes he gets what he deserves he does have some games where he is not exceptional, so does Ricky but he doesn't get the abuse that Guly does. I will not say it is racist, but sometimes you do wonder with some of the abuse given to him. My daughter has Guly's name on her shirt, she gets quite upset with some of the stuff aimed his way by some morons in the ground. I'm not for one minute saying there aren't some total mongs amongst our support, I've seen and heard them. There have been times I've not wanted to go to games because of the attitude of some morons that support our club, but with regards to Guly I've not heard proper, nasty abuse. As for race, I'm not sure I buy into that. In fact, thinking about it, I don't buy into it full stop. There are those that are just particularly thick as well, such as the woman who sat next to me against Portsmouth and uttered "Billy Sharp hasn't done much today has he?" shortly before full time. People who defend Guly often compare him to Lallana and ask why he doesn't get much stick. I think they are two different scenarios. Guly gets moaned at because he is prone to letting the side down a bit. What I mean by that is when he flaps his arms to his side when he fails to control the ball or something. When he's being marked and just gives up, visibly sighs and shrugs his shoulders and complains. When for some reason he jumps into the air to control the ball and completely misses it, then barely jogs into a decent position. All things I've seen in one of his poor performances - and there have been a few, I think you'd only be kidding yourself if you denied it. Lallana, from what I see, doesn't do stupid things like that. My main beef with Lallana, and I do criticise him for it, is when he takes too many touches, is selfish and doesn't just shoot when the opportunity presents itself and a pass to a player in a better position isn't on. Cardiff at home, Lambert had worked hard to make an opening for Lallana, he just needed to shoot when the ball was presented to him. Instead, he takes two to three touches and ends up smacking it into a defender's shins. The two aren't comparable because they are frustrating for different things, and Guly is guilty of the worse frustrating things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Correct me if Im wrong but just because we have extended Gulys contract it doesnt mean we have to get rid of De Ridder or Lalana does it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Correct me if Im wrong but just because we have extended Gulys contract it doesnt mean we have to get rid of De Ridder or Lalana does it ? Yes sadly de ridder and lallana will now both leave.... Sad times huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Don't understand people that say he doesn't work hard.. He's one of the hardest workers in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 I'm not for one minute saying there aren't some total mongs amongst our support, I've seen and heard them. There have been times I've not wanted to go to games because of the attitude of some morons that support our club, but with regards to Guly I've not heard proper, nasty abuse. As for race, I'm not sure I buy into that. In fact, thinking about it, I don't buy into it full stop. As I said I won't claim its racism, but sometimes it makes me wonder. You should try sitting in the Itchen/Chapel corner, you will hear loads of unwarranted (and some warranted) abuse given to Guly. Really hacks me off, especially with all the kids around. There are a large number of total idiots who seem to congregate in that area (and there are a large number of great supporters there who are totally embarrassed by the idiots). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Don't understand people that say he doesn't work hard.. He's one of the hardest workers in the team. Agreed. His problem is that he has a languid style which gives the impression of laziness. In fact he is probably one of the hardest working players on the pitch. People want to see players running around like headless chickens doing an impression of a road runner, they think that is the sign of a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 I agree Guly is the hardest worker in the team :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 I agree Guly is the hardest worker in the team :lol: Neither of them said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 As I said I won't claim its racism, but sometimes it makes me wonder. You should try sitting in the Itchen/Chapel corner, you will hear loads of unwarranted (and some warranted) abuse given to Guly. Really hacks me off, especially with all the kids around. There are a large number of total idiots who seem to congregate in that area (and there are a large number of great supporters there who are totally embarrassed by the idiots). So why imply or even mention it then? You're clearly suggesting it as being possible, however it clearly isn't racism. We've had many white players who get more stick than Guly, we also had many black players who were very popular. As for hearing lots of abuse in the Chapel, that's hardly surprising. The place is like a graveyard half the time, it's like shouting 'c**t' at a funeral. It only takes one person, but hundreds will hear and remember it. Agreed. His problem is that he has a languid style which gives the impression of laziness. In fact he is probably one of the hardest working players on the pitch. People want to see players running around like headless chickens doing an impression of a road runner, they think that is the sign of a good player. Why is the whole 'pro Guly' argument based around making his critics look like simpletons. "People love players who run around like headless chickens" "People love shouting "Steve" because they think it's funny" "People who don't like Guly may or may not be racists, although I'm not saying that" "People hate Guly because they're obsessed with pace" It's all bull crap. Forte runs around like a headless chicken, everyone thinks he's sh*t. Cork, Lambert, Sharp, Lallana, Jos, Fonte are all very popular and yet none of them are exactly Usain Bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 15 July, 2012 Share Posted 15 July, 2012 Hopefully this extension is simply so that we don't get put in the position of him leaving as a free agent. Some may not like this, but if he plays for us it will mean that we are either ravaged with injuries or the rest of the squad aren't up to it. He's a poor player at championship level so i'm baffled by anyone who thinks he'll be any good in the Premier league. In your opinion - clearly an opinion not shared by NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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