Matthew Le God Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Absolutely, Dig Dig. Blackburn broke the British transfer record to buy Britain's hottest striker in the close season after winning promotion to the Premier League. That's how you go about winning the Premier League. How do you suggest we win the league without massively breaking the bank? Money is far from the be all and end all. Liverpool spent £35m on Andy Carroll and Grant Holt playing for a newly promoted side outscored him. Yes, you generally need money to do well in the Premier League, but it is how wisely you spend that money that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 I think some of our fans must have had lobotomies... How do you suggest we win the league without massively breaking the bank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Money is far from the be all and end all. Liverpool spent £35m on Carroll and Grant Holt playing for a newly promoted side outscored him. ...powering Norwich to a sensational Premier League title proving conclusively that money is definitely not the be all and end all. Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Absolutely, Dig Dig. Blackburn broke the British transfer record to buy Britain's hottest striker in the close season after winning promotion to the Premier League. That's how you go about winning the Premier League. That's one way of going about it. I didn't seen Arsenal break the transfer record? Come to think of it, when did Man U last break any record? And how did Citeh fair last season or the one before that? I've now doubt Cortese is a bit sharper then most of us and knows only too well what's required. Whether he has a plan for what's required, time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 I think some of our fans must have had lobotomies... Good enough for Blackburn though? Time was you used to rave about how important it is to SPEND BIG on the BEST PLAYERS. What's happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 ...powering Norwich to a sensational Premier League title proving conclusively that money is definitely not the be all and end all. Oh. You have completely missed the point. That example of Holt and Carroll still stands. Yes, you generally need money to do well in the Premier League, but it is how wisely you spend that money that really matters. Saints spent less than West Ham and Leicester City last season...what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 How do you suggest we win the league without massively breaking the bank? I don't. Money will win the league. Hence my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 What happened to being self sufficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Good enough for Blackburn though? Time was you used to rave about how important it is to SPEND BIG on the BEST PLAYERS. What's happened? We will have to SPEND BIG to win the league. We don't have to be the BIGGEST. It doesn't have to happen now. It will HAVE to happen. Couldn't be much simpler, could it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 What happened to being self sufficient? Which clubs aren't? Rangers, Pompey and Plymouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Do I think we'll win the Premier League? Doubtful Is it exciting to hear the club speaking like that? Definitely. It annoys me when managers come up and say 17th will be a successful season. 17th out of 20 is not a success, yes it's acceptable but not successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 If he's getting them ideas from Cortese then he ain't gonna in this job much longer. Nailed it. What's the betting he's gone before Christmas. Better start packing Nige and thanks for the memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 You have completely missed the point. That example of Holt and Carroll still stands. Yes, you generally need money to do well in the Premier League, but it is how wisely you spend that money that really matters. There is doing well and then there is winning the league. Who last won it without spending huge amounts of money? And the Andy Carroll example isn't a good one. I think if every other club in the country had 35MM to spend on one striker, none of them would have spent it on Andy Carroll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 That's one way of going about it. I didn't seen Arsenal break the transfer record? Come to think of it, when did Man U last break any record? And how did Citeh fair last season or the one before that? I've now doubt Cortese is a bit sharper then most of us and knows only too well what's required. Whether he has a plan for what's required, time will tell... Man United have got the advantage of being Man United in the first place. Blackburn, like us, were the smaller challengers to that. And, err, I think Man U have spent a bit of coin on players in the past. Man City finished what fifth and then second or third. How did all the clubs that spent significantly less than city do? Did Bolton win the league when City didn't? Or was it Fulham that year? Are you suggesting we can win the league on a Wolves budget, because that's a massive shift from your usual tune. All these rome-wasn't-built-in-a-day look-at-all-these-unfancied-clubs-winning-everything...... and a grand total of five teams have won the league in the last twenty years and the fifth team to do it had to spend several gazillion pounds to get there on a last minute goal. Who's going to win this wide open Premier League this season? I'm going for Sunderland this time out. Just got a good feeling about them what with money not being the be all and end all, and what with Denmark winning the European Championship and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Nailed it. What's the betting he's gone before Christmas. Better start packing Nige and thanks for the memories. You said that last year And the year before Why don't you fuk off you fuking cretin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 We will have to SPEND BIG to win the league. We don't have to be the BIGGEST. It doesn't have to happen now. It will HAVE to happen. Couldn't be much simpler, could it? We will have to spend the biggest to win the league because otherwise the players won't come to, or stay at, Southampton. We will have to over invest to get players to even consider us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Man United have got the advantage of being Man United in the first place. Blackburn, like us, were the smaller challengers to that. And, err, I think Man U have spent a bit of coin on players in the past. Man City finished what fifth and then second or third. How did all the clubs that spent significantly less than city do? Did Bolton win the league when City didn't? Or was it Fulham that year? Are you suggesting we can win the league on a Wolves budget, because that's a massive shift from your usual tune. All these rome-wasn't-built-in-a-day look-at-all-these-unfancied-clubs-winning-everything...... and a grand total of five teams have won the league in the last twenty years and the fifth team to do it had to spend several gazillion pounds to get there on a last minute goal. Who's going to win this wide open Premier League this season? I'm going for Sunderland this time out. Just got a good feeling about them what with money not being the be all and end all, and what with Denmark winning the European Championship and everything. We will have to spend BIG. We don't have to be the BIGGEST. We don't have to do it NOW. To win the league we will HAVE to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 You have completely missed the point. That example of Holt and Carroll still stands. Yes, you generally need money to do well in the Premier League, but it is how wisely you spend that money that really matters. Saints spent less than West Ham and Leicester City last season...what happened? When did I say we couldn't do well. This is currently a debate about winning the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 We will have to spend BIG. We don't have to be the BIGGEST. We don't have to do it NOW. To win the league we will HAVE to do it. We're not going to. We're not going to win the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 We will have to spend BIG. We don't have to be the BIGGEST. We don't have to do it NOW. To win the league we will HAVE to do it. So the examples of Wimbledon and Greece and Denmark were pointless then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 We couldnt even win league 1!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 We will have to spend the biggest to win the league because otherwise the players won't come to, or stay at, Southampton. We will have to over invest to get players to even consider us. If we wanted to win it this year yes. Who the hell is talking about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 So the examples of Wimbledon and Greece and Denmark were pointless then? So you expected them to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 (edited) If we wanted to win it this year yes. Who the hell is talking about that? No. Ever. If we want to win the league we are going to have to over invest in players and wages to get players to come to, or stay, at Southampton. Next season, the one after that, the one after that, and every season subsequently. Edited 13 July, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 So you expected them to win? None of them spent big. Greece winning the Euros is like us winning the league this coming season, which you are also saying you are not talking about. Make your mind up. Are we going to win the league completely out of nowhere on shock value or are we going to SPEND BIG. Because if we SPEND BIG to win the league then we would no longer be unfancied shock winners of the league would we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 We couldnt even win league 1!!! How did the winners of League One compare to Saints in the following season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 No. Ever. If we want to win the league we are going to have to over invest in players and wages to get players to come to, or stay, at Southampton. Next season, the one after that, the one after that, and ever season subsequently. You do realise there is a polar opposite to being as happy clapper fan and that is the inability to have any ambition and be stuck in your own miserable existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 You do realise there is a polar opposite to being as happy clapper fan and that is the inability to have any ambition and be stuck in your own miserable existence. Its called a Dell-sized mentality. I should know, apparently I have one. Who is saying they have no ambition, by the way? Who is saying the club can't grow, and perhaps be even bigger than its ever been? Point out those posters to me please, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 None of them spent big. Greece winning the Euros is like us winning the league this coming season, which you are also saying you are not talking about. Make your mind up. Are we going to win the league completely out of nowhere on shock value or are we going to SPEND BIG. Because if we SPEND BIG to win the league then we would no longer be unfancied shock winners of the league would we? Someone said unexpected clubs win things and I listed some. You've been in that shi*hole in the Midlands too long. Come back where the air is clear and AMBITION lives. If Southampton win the league in five/ten/fiteen years there will be people of my age saying, who would have seen that coming five/ten/fifteen years ago. Not rocket science is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 No. Ever. If we want to win the league we are going to have to over invest in players and wages to get players to come to, or stay, at Southampton. Next season, the one after that, the one after that, and every season subsequently. Then I'm sure if that's the plan, that's what we'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 So you expected them to win? A one off competition is very different from an entire season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 (edited) Someone said unexpected clubs win things and I listed some. You've been in that shi*hole in the Midlands too long. Come back where the air is clear and AMBITION lives. If Southampton win the league in five/ten/fiteen years there will be people of my age saying, who would have seen that coming five/ten/fifteen years ago. Not rocket science is it? Pretty sure we have had slightly less rain in Derbyshire than in god's own city this week. Slightly less. According to speaking to my mum the other day. And we've had three, maybe four, hours of sun. Edited 13 July, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Its called a Dell-sized mentality. I should know, apparently I have one. Who is saying they have no ambition, by the way? Who is saying the club can't grow, and perhaps be even bigger than its ever been? Point out those posters to me please, would you? Calm yourself, maybe I was making a generalisation, I think sometimes we get used to being unsuccessful and then see no other way. I like the talking up of aiming to win the league - it's fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Pretty sure we have had slightly less rain in Derbyshire than in god's own city this week. Slightly less. According to speaking to my mum the other day. And we've had three, maybe four hours, of sun. Of what now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 You do realise there is a polar opposite to being as happy clapper fan and that is the inability to have any ambition and be stuck in your own miserable existence. If me saying "we won't win the Premier League" is your definition of "an inability to have any ambition" then guilty as charged. Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Its called a Dell-sized mentality. I should know, apparently I have one. Who is saying they have no ambition, by the way? Who is saying the club can't grow, and perhaps be even bigger than its ever been? Point out those posters to me please, would you? Precisely. I can certainly envisage a scenario where we established ourselves in the top flight and regularly challenged for Europe. I could even see us possibly getting into a position like Spurs at some time in the future. What I don't think we have any chance at is winning the league adopting the strategy we currently have. We won't win the league unless we change our spending policy drastically and basically become a new Chelsea or Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Calm yourself, maybe I was making a generalisation, I think sometimes we get used to being unsuccessful and then see no other way. I like the talking up of aiming to win the league - it's fun.I'm thoroughly calm thanks. I just picked up on your thoroughly inaccurate generalisation, that's the thing. I'm yet to come across anybody apart from a handful of WUMs or weirdos who don't think we have more potential now that for a very long time, certainly in the more modern cash-rich era of the Premier League. Most people seem to think a bigger stadium is a very realistic possibility. Most people seem to think there's a half decent chance we could push on and even complete for the European spots in the league, and certainly in the cup. Yet those who don't quite agree with the mantra of "we're going to win the league" are consistently shot down as lacking ambition, having a Dell-sized mindset, not seeing the bigger picture etc etc. Its a lazy and throughly inaccurate generalisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Precisely. I can certainly envisage a scenario where we established ourselves in the top flight and regularly challenged for Europe. I could even see us possibly getting into a position like Spurs at some time in the future. What I don't think we have any chance at is winning the league adopting the strategy we currently have. We won't win the league unless we change our spending policy drastically and basically become a new Chelsea or Man City. Agree it would be a hell of an effort and quite unlikely - still think as a club there is nothing wrong in making your aim to be the best. Being the best would be to win the Premier League. As said previously I hate it when clubs say finishing 17th is an achievement, it's such a cliché. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Precisely. I can certainly envisage a scenario where we established ourselves in the top flight and regularly challenged for Europe. I could even see us possibly getting into a position like Spurs at some time in the future. What I don't think we have any chance at is winning the league adopting the strategy we currently have. We won't win the league unless we change our spending policy drastically and basically become a new Chelsea or Man City. Correct. Just a very odd strain of fans that don't accept that and have to keep pushing the target up and up and up and up and berating anyone who doesn't join in. In future debates I will just see if we can get MLG to admit we can win the Champions League title seven seasons in a row and if not, why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 I'm thoroughly calm thanks. I just picked up on your thoroughly inaccurate generalisation, that's the thing. I'm yet to come across anybody apart from a handful of WUMs or weirdos who don't think we have more potential now that for a very long time, certainly in the more modern cash-rich era of the Premier League. Most people seem to think a bigger stadium is a very realistic possibility. Most people seem to think there's a half decent chance we could push on and even complete for the European spots in the league, and certainly in the cup. Yet those who don't quite agree with the mantra of "we're going to win the league" are consistently shot down as lacking ambition, having a Dell-sized mindset, not seeing the bigger picture etc etc. Its a lazy and throughly inaccurate generalisation. Apologies it was a little ignorant on my part. I don't think we're going to win the league. My point (which I admit I haven't made very well thus far), is it is a positive thing to set out to be the best. The best would be winning the Premier League at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Precisely. I can certainly envisage a scenario where we established ourselves in the top flight and regularly challenged for Europe. I could even see us possibly getting into a position like Spurs at some time in the future. What I don't think we have any chance at is winning the league adopting the strategy we currently have. We won't win the league unless we change our spending policy drastically and basically become a new Chelsea or Man City. That's pretty much spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Agree it would be a hell of an effort and quite unlikely - still think as a club there is nothing wrong in making your aim to be the best. Being the best would be to win the Premier League. As said previously I hate it when clubs say finishing 17th is an achievement, it's such a cliché. Oh I have no problem with the club saying they want to win the league. What is irritating is when weird people on here actually believe that that is achievable. Nothing wrong with the club saying it but I'm certain that they don't actually think they will be winning the league in the next couple of decades without an enormous spending increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Oh I have no problem with the club saying they want to win the league. What is irritating is when weird people on here actually believe that that is achievable. Nothing wrong with the club saying it but I'm certain that they don't actually think they will be winning the league in the next couple of decades without an enormous spending increase. Or the current climate of football would have to change drastically i.e. more rules on spending for which there are no loopholes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Apologies it was a little ignorant on my part. I don't think we're going to win the league. My point (which I admit I haven't made very well thus far), is it is a positive thing to set out to be the best. The best would be winning the Premier League at some point. I don't disagree with the sentiment of setting out to win every game. I certainly ascribe to the notion at all of finishing as high in the table as we possibly can. And I agree that the "well we've got 50 points, we're safe now approach" is far too defeatist. But when a "dream" of winning the league gets turned into a full on plan and those who don't ascribe to it are put down as having no ambition is when it all gets a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Or the current climate of football would have to change drastically i.e. more rules on spending for which there are no loopholes... Which of course would never ever happen. You are right though, if football as a competition fundamentally changes then our chances of winning the league could increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 I don't disagree with the sentiment of setting out to win every game. I certainly ascribe with the notion at all of finishing as high in the table as we possibly can. And I agree that the "well we've got 50 points, we're safe now approach" is far too defeatist. But when a "dream" of winning the league gets turned into a full on plan and those who don't ascribe to it are put down as having no ambition is when it all gets a bit silly. Exactly. It's good that the club are aiming as high as possible. It doesn't mean they think it is in any way achievable though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Which of course would never ever happen. You are right though, if football as a competition fundamentally changes then our chances of winning the league could increase. Indeed too much of a big business and too much power at the top. Suppose I'm a bit of a dreamer sometimes, and try to squash that cynic (or is it realist) in me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 It's entirely possible that the financial fair play rules could get tightened up significantly which on paper sounds good for clubs like us. But in reality if the clubs are told "you can only spend what you earn" then the bigger clubs would start to challenge "what they earn", specifically the TV deal which is split relatively equitably between clubs in the top flight. If Man United can only spend what they earn they will tell the league they have the same right to earn as much as they can, which they can do by selling their own TV rights on the open market. So financial fair play might bring clubs closer in the short term, but is as likely to cleave them further apart soon after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Premier League title is far from our reach for now, any club needs at least a decade to adjust to those standards sustainably (i.e. not City's way). Also I think we shouldn't mix up objectives and Adkins motivating the squad, which I feel is exactly what he is aiming to achieve with this. Reckon that he is possibly trying to shake up some uncertainty that his players may have concerning Premier League times (most of them don't have the experience) and trying to make them feel positive about the adventure. Typical Nigel really, not saying know to any positive thoughts. Everyone at the club is surely targeting a Norwich/Swansea for this first season. Given that we made it to the top in 3 years, NC and Adkins are probably looking at Europe qualification for the end of the 5 years from the takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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