Viking Warrior Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Well the Derbyshire Police are now involved an are speaking with the original poster of the tweet re Choc Ice possible racist comment made against Chelsea footballer Ashley Cole is being investigated by Derbyshire Police. A Twitter user, believed to be from Derbyshire, referred to Mr Cole as a "choc ice" on the social networking site over the weekend. Manchester United's Rio Ferdinand then replied: "I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic hahahahahaha!!" A Derbyshire Police spokeswoman said the force had received complaints "regarding alleged racist comments". "These concerns will be fully investigated to establish whether any criminal offences have been committed," the spokeswoman added. Derbyshire Police confirmed the original "choc ice" tweet was being investigated, not Mr Ferdinand's reply. So its alright for Ferdinand to say it . Its okay The law is such an ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 The term that was always considered deeply offensive was "coconut". It was meant solely as a derogatory term & a black/black insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 so, if my black mate went to the police and said so and so called him a big black dirty chocolate biscuit......they will point and laugh at him and tell to stop being sensitive..? or will they record it as an incident/crime.. take that one step further...if the accused was across the road...would they just stand there pro go over to find out..? I don't understand the point you're trying to make, or, given what I've said, why you're quoting me talking about context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Following on from Verbal's point about Westwood:- Sergei. Do you think a white person should be brought up for racism if they call another white person a "wigger"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Well the Derbyshire Police are now involved an are speaking with the original poster of the tweet re Choc Ice possible racist comment made against Chelsea footballer Ashley Cole is being investigated by Derbyshire Police. A Twitter user, believed to be from Derbyshire, referred to Mr Cole as a "choc ice" on the social networking site over the weekend. Manchester United's Rio Ferdinand then replied: "I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic hahahahahaha!!" A Derbyshire Police spokeswoman said the force had received complaints "regarding alleged racist comments". "These concerns will be fully investigated to establish whether any criminal offences have been committed," the spokeswoman added. Derbyshire Police confirmed the original "choc ice" tweet was being investigated, not Mr Ferdinand's reply. So its alright for Ferdinand to say it . Its okay The law is such an ass Where have I said that it's 'alright' that Ferdinand said it? It seems to me that you get yourself into such a purple rage that you can't actually take in what I'm saying. Oddly, you're also guilty of a classic left-liberal category mistake - categorising any oblique reference at all to ethnicity as 'racist'. Racism is intimately tied up with two things: the denigration of an ethnicity other than your own and almost always a socio-economically weaker one; and with the desire for or prelude to violence. How does the black millionaire Rio Ferdinand calling the black millionaire Ashley Cole a 'choc ice' qualify? I don't condone it, I don't like it, but racism it ain't, clearly. What is racist is the behaviour and ingrained attitudes of whites in the southern states who organised to attack and lynch (murder) young black men; or the skinhead gangs in the seventies (sometimes associated with football clubs) that sought out any Asian man, woman or child and beat and sometimes kill them; or the sadistic racists who killed Stephen Lawrence just because he was black; or slightly less seriously, the 'banana' and 'monkey-chant' abuse that used to be directed at black footballers here, and still is at games elsewhere. So yes, racism is 'extreme' - it is violent, intimidatory, and directed at people whose skin colour, being different to yours, is an irrational source of rage. You'd have to be an idiot to classify the choc ice remark in with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Where have I said that it's 'alright' that Ferdinand said it? It seems to me that you get yourself into such a purple rage that you can't actually take in what I'm saying. Oddly, you're also guilty of a classic left-liberal category mistake - categorising any oblique reference at all to ethnicity as 'racist'. Racism is intimately tied up with two things: the denigration of an ethnicity other than your own and almost always a socio-economically weaker one; and with the desire for or prelude to violence. How does the black millionaire Rio Ferdinand calling the black millionaire Ashley Cole a 'choc ice' qualify? I don't condone it, I don't like it, but racism it ain't, clearly. What is racist is the behaviour and ingrained attitudes of whites in the southern states who organised to attack and lynch (murder) young black men; or the skinhead gangs in the seventies (sometimes associated with football clubs) that sought out any Asian man, woman or child and beat and sometimes kill them; or the sadistic racists who killed Stephen Lawrence just because he was black; or slightly less seriously, the 'banana' and 'monkey-chant' abuse that used to be directed at black footballers here, and still is at games elsewhere. So yes, racism is 'extreme' - it is violent, intimidatory, and directed at people whose skin colour, being different to yours, is an irrational source of rage. You'd have to be an idiot to classify the choc ice remark in with this. *claps* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Following on from Verbal's point about Westwood:- Sergei. Do you think a white person should be brought up for racism if they call another white person a "wigger"? You are discounting the fact that Ferdinand used Twitter to abuse Cole. This is not a one on one scenario. If you read what I was saying then you would know that I think that it is absurd that the law is taking people to caught for name calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 You are discounting the fact that Ferdinand used Twitter to abuse Cole. This is not a one on one scenario. If you read what I was saying then you would know that I think that it is absurd that the law is taking people to caught for name calling. So you're not actually bothered about what was said. Just the fact that it was said in public. So is it okay for someone to call someone a choc-ice or wigger if it is a one-on-one exchange? Don't buy it. It's either racist or it isn't. If someone wrote down a load of truly racist thoughts in a private diary, those thoughts are still racist - irrespective of who gets to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Where have I said that it's 'alright' that Ferdinand said it? It seems to me that you get yourself into such a purple rage that you can't actually take in what I'm saying. Oddly, you're also guilty of a classic left-liberal category mistake - categorising any oblique reference at all to ethnicity as 'racist'. Racism is intimately tied up with two things: the denigration of an ethnicity other than your own and almost always a socio-economically weaker one; and with the desire for or prelude to violence. How does the black millionaire Rio Ferdinand calling the black millionaire Ashley Cole a 'choc ice' qualify? I don't condone it, I don't like it, but racism it ain't, clearly. What is racist is the behaviour and ingrained attitudes of whites in the southern states who organised to attack and lynch (murder) young black men; or the skinhead gangs in the seventies (sometimes associated with football clubs) that sought out any Asian man, woman or child and beat and sometimes kill them; or the sadistic racists who killed Stephen Lawrence just because he was black; or slightly less seriously, the 'banana' and 'monkey-chant' abuse that used to be directed at black footballers here, and still is at games elsewhere. So yes, racism is 'extreme' - it is violent, intimidatory, and directed at people whose skin colour, being different to yours, is an irrational source of rage. You'd have to be an idiot to classify the choc ice remark in with this. Its very easy to change the goal posts to defend Ferdinand. Racism is about race and that is what Ferdinand's insult was playing on. Its about highlighting the boundaries between the two groups and cultivating suspicion and resentment. Now I do not really subscribe to this but I know that if the case was reversed and a white footballer insulted another white footballer by saying that he was black inside then it would be totally different and you in particular would be frothing at the mouth and demanding retribution. Suiddenly it is only racism if somebody gets a good kicking. Double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 So you're not actually bothered about what was said. Just the fact that it was said in public. So is it okay for someone to call someone a choc-ice or wigger if it is a one-on-one exchange? Don't buy it. It's either racist or it isn't. If someone wrote down a load of truly racist thoughts in a private diary, those thoughts are still racist - irrespective of who gets to see it. I am not bothered by what he said or even John Terry; I just think that both of them are idiots and I can decide that myself without needing justice system to get involved. What I do find unpleasant is that those that cry racism at the first opportunity seem to be blinkered when the shoe is on the other foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Its very easy to change the goal posts to defend Ferdinand. Racism is about race and that is what Ferdinand's insult was playing on. Its about highlighting the boundaries between the two groups and cultivating suspicion and resentment. Now I do not really subscribe to this but I know that if the case was reversed and a white footballer insulted another white footballer by saying that he was black inside then it would be totally different and you in particular would be frothing at the mouth and demanding retribution. Suiddenly it is only racism if somebody gets a good kicking. Double standards. What utter garbage. I'm not going to say any more than that because I'd just be repeating myself. I suspect there are deeper motives to your irrational postings on this subject - guilt, perhaps? It's funny, though, don't you think? This is a thread started by the court case concerning the offensively racist language and abuse used by Terry, and the fruit loops right have turned it into a far more indignant whinge about one black man calling another black man a 'choc ice'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I am not bothered by what he said or even John Terry; I just think that both of them are idiots and I can decide that myself without needing justice system to get involved. What I do find unpleasant is that those that cry racism at the first opportunity seem to be blinkered when the shoe is on the other foot. Sergei - during the course of this thread, people have patiently tried to explain to you that racism doesn't really apply here. You've avoided answering any of the direct questions about whether calling someone a "wigger" is racist, and you're fashioning different viewpoints depending on who you're replying to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 What utter garbage. I'm not going to say any more than that because I'd just be repeating myself. I suspect there are deeper motives to your irrational postings on this subject - guilt, perhaps? It's funny, though, don't you think? This is a thread started by the court case concerning the offensively racist language and abuse used by Terry, and the fruit loops right have turned it into a far more indignant whinge about one black man calling another black man a 'choc ice'. It seems sad that you are blind to your hypocrisy. It is always those that are losing the argument that revert to just abuse and smear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 It seems sad that you are blind to your hypocrisy. It is always those that are losing the argument that revert to just abuse and smear. Like the other day, when you lost an argument, and said I was living in another world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Sergei - during the course of this thread, people have patiently tried to explain to you that racism doesn't really apply here. You've avoided answering any of the direct questions about whether calling someone a "wigger" is racist, and you're fashioning different viewpoints depending on who you're replying to. and I have patiently but not patronisingly explained that if you open your eyes then you will see that it clearly is racist - it is an insult based on race broadcasted publicly. Can you not understand that I do not care what was said more the hypocrisy of those that are constantly pointing the finger at others the whole time. Are you really unable to understand the importance of context in calling somebody a wigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I see PaP and his dark skinned comrade, verbal decide what are racist comments around here. could they please list them so we know where the (forum) boundaries lie.. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I see PaP and his dark skinned comrade, verbal decide what are racist comments around here. could they please list them so we know where the (forum) boundaries lie.. cheers Is Verbal dark-skinned? If so, why would that be relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Is Verbal dark-skinned? If so, why would that be relevant? have no idea. just throwing it out there.....its just meaningless words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Like the other day, when you lost an argument, and said I was living in another world? If you were able to grasp the context of how it was said I was pointing at that your argument was flawed because you were not able to grasp reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I am now confused. Who is arguing what and against whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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