ToreSF Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 http://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/norsk/1-divisjon/artikkel.php?artid=10066531 Says the whole team took part in betting scams. Never about the result, but time of the first throw-in in, penalty takers, and other small stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 9 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 9 July, 2012 - I know of Norwegian players who have made bets on scorers, first kick, first throw and stuff. It's something I have been involved in a number of years in England. I've made bets on matches that I have been involved in, the former Southampton player says to VG Nett. He says it usually was done as a team. The money was collected in a pot before the game, where they made bets as to who should get the first throw in the match. The game was set by others. We agreed with the opponent captain who was to kick off. So we could, for example, play the ball back to the midfield player who bumped it up to the opposite side and center-back again sent it over the line. It's a pretty normal start to a match, no one would have suspected and it was very easy for us to control the little things like that. Lundekvam says that they "made some money on it." - We also had some inside information on both team sheets, who would take penalties and things like that. We could manipulate and control the little things in games. Never profit bets Lundekvam claim that he has never been part of playing on the outcome or results of matches. - The result was never on the agenda. I'd never been to either. Even though we did of course was illegal, it was just a fun thing. - What do you think about what you did now? - I do not think it's sporty or morally right for us to do what we did. But we had a chance to do it then, and it was just like that. After retiring as a footballer, he has come forward with their own alcohol, gambling and drug problems. Since then he has also been actively involved in the fight against doping, substance abuse and addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 Le Tiss said the same in his autobiography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 What an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 Small fry to what Grob was up to then, did he ever fix any Saints matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 Wish he gave us a few tips, i wonder if he had a bet about a pen awarded in 1st 5 mins of the 2003 fa cup final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 Wish he gave us a few tips, i wonder if he had a bet about a pen awarded in 1st 5 mins of the 2003 fa cup final First 30 seconds, wasn't it? I remember thinking that Claus had taken leave of his senses and would be very lucky to stay on the pitch. And now I find myself starting to wonder what the odds would be on a red card in the first minute of an FA Cup Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 What an idiot. Not just an idiot really....a very doubtful character but then again so was the legendary Robin Hood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 Le Tiss said the same in his autobiography. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/6130280/Matthew-Le-Tissier-admits-being-part-of-attempted-betting-scam-at-Southampton.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 Not sure it needs dragging up again...perhaps Claus (much as I admired him) needs to stay in the limelight and get paid for the quotes...just having to drag up the less run of the mill type to keep his income flowing. Saddened really - not what I like associated with him, MLT or Saints particularly as we prepare for this of all seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 I think you'd have to be incredibly naive to think that this doesn't happen on a weekly basis in The Premier League/Football League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 I think you'd have to be incredibly naive to think that this doesn't happen on a weekly basis in The Premier League/Football League. If I was in the premier league with todays wages theres no way Id risk it all for some small time betting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 (edited) I really wish that items like this didn't appear so often. I prefer to recall Claus as a brave and fearless defender who spilt blood for the cause - on more than one occasion. What he may have lacked in pace, he made up for in courage and rarely let the side down. Signed by Graham Souness for £400K as a left back in summer 1996, he converted to CB and successively played alongside Ken Monkou, Dean Richards, Paul Williams and later with Michael Svensson to form ...what was probably one of the best central partnerships in the last generation. He is the only foreign player to have made over 400 apps. for Saints (which puts him in the top 12 of all timers,) and was a model pro. on the pitch. Sadly, he made more human mistakes off it, but he's not alone there, and I for one am sorry that his name only appears in a negative context nowadays. Remembering him as a loyal Saints player, he'd be in my all-time squad every time. Edited 12 July, 2012 by david in sweden spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 Whilst we were paying good money to watch these fools play to the best of their sporting ability they were rigging games to earn a few quid on top of their already inflated wages.....no doubt to pay off his dealer. Really takes the **** IMO. Although he was a decent player,he was a Fookin idiot outside of football,I knew him (through things I won't go into on here) and the man led a less than moral life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 Claus is a dodgy one huh? Do we reckon all this still goes on? Wonder how much he made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Fan Dan Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 Hey at least we're on the backpage for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 Not ''South Coast Club''? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 its the sun,who cares.a ****e paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4422469/Football-betting-scandal-Claus-Lundekvam-spot-fixing-claim.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 I like how they use the badge as bullet points. Three times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Why bother to reveal this secret now? Its not like the bookies are going to get their money back now? If I were Claus I think I would have just kept my mouth shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I thought staring directly at the sun was bad for one's eyesight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 A slightly curious side note....'Moose' was doing a review of the newspaper sports pages earlier on TalkSport and he said: "I'm going to skip over the story on the back of The Sun" and indeed didn't mention the subject matter at all. I thought that was a tad odd but thought nothing more of it....until seeing this thread. I wonder why he fellt the need to skip over it? He wasn't backwards in coming forwards last season to have a dig at us after the Sharp 'incident' at the West Ham game. Anyway. as I say, just a slightly curious side note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Octopus Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Oh, Why did you go and open that Claus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 (edited) No wonder we survived every year. Rivals probably threw games to preserve a lucrative betting ring. I wonder if the police will speak to him because he has admitted stealing/defrauding bookmakers for thousands. Edited 11 July, 2012 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Maybe Claus is skint and could do with some story money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 They never played on the results so why the fuzz? Play on first throw, first corner etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 The stupidity of some people never fails to amaze me. Why both he and Le Tiss felt the need to bring this out in the open astounds me. The only thing that doesn't surprise me is the greed of some footballers. They earn more in a month (or a week!) than most of us do in a year. Even in Claus' & Matyy's time they were still earning shedloads compared to the "average joe". Greed + Stupidity is not a good mix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 That's a bit of a shocker. I think its inevitable that the police will get involved, and rightly so. I used to have the odd flutter on these sort of things, now you learn its not a fair market. Saints legend or not, he deserves punishment, along with anyone else who was involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Maybe Claus is skint and could do with some story money? This , without a shadow of a doubt probably to pay off gambling debts ironically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I don't see how it matters now.. I doubt there is anyone at the club now who was involved then.........................Unless Jason Dodd was involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 This is ancient history and anyway 99% of sun readers will a) never have heard of our claus and b) wonder what was wrong anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I don't see how it matters now.. I doubt there is anyone at the club now who was involved then.........................Unless Jason Dodd was involved It's fraud that's why, just needs the bookies association to demand an enquiry into the level of the trickery ,something really unsavoury like a fixed match comes out and you get relegated or something like that even if it was years back.It's what happened to Juventus, bloke needs to count his ill gotten gains and STFU.Are cricketers not doing time for similar incidents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rabbit Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 This was all brought up in le Tiss's book years ago wasn't it!? Hardly today's news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Claus is a f**king bell-end. Really, he's become a complete embarassment since his retirement. I just hope the FA dont see some sort of bizarre convoluted excuse here to punish the latter-day club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 This was all brought up in le Tiss's book years ago wasn't it!? Hardly today's news... Not that I've read that but I seem to remember that it was just one throw in incident, now Claus seems to be saying it goes on , or went on anyway every week and a lot of collusion is involved, that's technically match fixing because any of these incidents could affect a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Its going to be quite a record if he manages to get us relegated for a second time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 It's fraud that's why, just needs the bookies association to demand an enquiry into the level of the trickery ,something really unsavoury like a fixed match comes out and you get relegated or something like that even if it was years back.It's what happened to Juventus, bloke needs to count his ill gotten gains and STFU.Are cricketers not doing time for similar incidents? How can they punish the club for this?...I mean if the players were still here prehaps. If the bloke who lived in my house before me had committed a crime I'd hardly expect to go down for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 How can they punish the club for this?...I mean if the players were still here prehaps. If the bloke who lived in my house before me had committed a crime I'd hardly expect to go down for it. Rangers have ben punished for being bent and they have different players and ownership... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 This was all brought up in le Tiss's book years ago wasn't it!? Hardly today's news... Le Tiss claimed he did the old first throw in scam just the once in his book. Claus talks about a whole series of events. Shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Claus is a bit of a road crash for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 How can they punish the club for this?...I mean if the players were still here prehaps. If the bloke who lived in my house before me had committed a crime I'd hardly expect to go down for it. the owners have changed the club is still the same entity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Could any kind of charges be brought against this? Not a wise thing to say, havent read the article but think he also mentioned it in the Norweigan press so the Sun have probably picked it up from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Sun or not this comes from an interview the pratt did in Norway. This is embarassing for the Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Could any kind of charges be brought against this? Not a wise thing to say, havent read the article but think he also mentioned it in the Norweigan press so the Sun have probably picked it up from there. what were those Pakistani cricketers and Danish Kaneira jailed for? wasn't it deliberately bowling no-balls ? Is that not exactly the same as conceding a corner or a free-kick for gain ? Now you might argue that those lads accepted money for doing whatever it is that they did but I think that being certain to take money off a bookie for one of your own actions can only be classed in the same category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 what were those Pakistani cricketers and Danish Kaneira jailed for? wasn't it deliberately bowling no-balls ? Is that not exactly the same as conceding a corner or a free-kick for gain ? Now you might argue that those lads accepted money for doing whatever it is that they did but I think that being certain to take money off a bookie for one of your own actions can only be classed in the same category. Agree - was thinking that MLT has already admitted to it and nothing happened. Interesting to see he said on twitter this morning that he has no knowledge of what CL is talking about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Agree - was thinking that MLT has already admitted to it and nothing happened. Interesting to see he said on twitter this morning that he has no knowledge of what CL is talking about... Evidently , should the Fraud Squad get involved then some players could go down for a while as well as everyone who aided and abetted them ,ie the employees who placed the bets for them . Hopefully they've all been weeded out long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 It's not exactly a huge revelation that football players bet on the time of the first throw in. An amazingly high number of games seem to start off with a throw in within the first 30 seconds or so. Has always been like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 PS - not sure that the PL will want to look too deeply into this as, taking the above, most/all clubs might be at it. CL certainly states that many others are, so it is not a Saints only thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I am worried about this. We have no champions in the corridors of power, like the West Hams of this world. I can see this blowing up big-time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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