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Around 2/5 of our games will be on TV this year (and many more of them streamed on the internet) so by that rationale quite a few people are going to get put off by going quite often.

 

Yeah but we also have a 7 year build up of the new ground factor for our younger fans...

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Sunderland travel in numbers down here and WHU travel in numbers up North. Distance doesn't seem to bother them.

 

Because from London its three hours on a direct train to Newcastle, for example, whereas from Southampton its 5.5 hours and a two changes.

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I forgot all WHU fans down here live within a 10 minute walk of Kings X.

 

And all Saints live within 10 mins of Southampton Central? Dumb retort. It takes longer to get from Southampton to up North by train or car than it does from London, its just reality.

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Sunderland travel in numbers down here and WHU travel in numbers up North. Distance doesn't seem to bother them.

 

Sunderland and several other clubs from up North bring loads here because so many of their fans have either moved down to London or home counties for work

 

West Ham do travel well up North, but they have a big advantage with road and rail links from London

 

By train you can be In Manchester and Liverpool in just over 2 hours from London and Newcastle in 2 and a half hours, from here you talking more like 4 to 5 hrs to Manchester by train for example it makes a big difference.

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There's no denying it, our support up North is poor.

 

I await the usual "No it's not, we're the best fans in the world" responses.

 

Not in the last 3 years it hasn't been. I've been gob smacked with the numbers we've taken to places like Burnley compared to previous seasons.

 

One of the few good things about living in mid-Staffordshire is that it's p.iss easy to get to northern/midlands games.

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Not in the last 3 years it hasn't been. I've been gob smacked with the numbers we've taken to places like Burnley compared to previous seasons.

 

One of the few good things about living in mid-Staffordshire is that it's p.iss easy to get to northern/midlands games.

 

I base a teams support on how their fans respond during poor periods in their history, not when we're flying up the leagues beating everyone.

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If 1000 fans instead of 3000 fans go to the stadium of light.

 

 

Who cares?

 

I do and lot's of other people do. Hence why threads on attendances and support normally rack up pages and pages of posts.

 

Seeing as you're someone who only attends game every now and then, I wouldn't expect you to understand the importance of such matters.

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Our away followings have been superb the last few years...but we have been going to every game expecting to win, and they've not been particularly expensive. You also have the feeling that people have fallen back in love with the club again after the mess with Lowe et al. I'm sure after we start struggling the numbers will drop, especially if we're being charged £50 odd to go to games !

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Percentage wise, in relation to home support, Bournemouth's away support is better than ours.

 

But in actual numbers it is far smaller, so why does % in relation to home gates matter? Saints have often been restricted by away allocations, had it been unlimited the % compared to home gates would be higher.

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But in actual numbers it is far smaller, so why does % compared to home gates matter?

 

It's all relevant. If we can get 30k to turn up but can only muster 1,500 for a Northern away game, that's poor. Bournemouth get 6,000 but take 700 away, that's pretty decent and proves my theory correct that our fans only like nice local trips.

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Percentage wise, in relation to home support, Bournemouth's away support is better than ours.

 

Yeah, but that's mainly because the proportion of people who go to aways is higher the lower down the leagues you go - because apart from not having limited allocations as often, the kind of people who will watch L1/L2/Conf football regularly are also the same kind of people who will go to pointless dumps of away grounds too.

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It's all relevant. If we can get 30k to turn up but can only muster 1,500 for a Northern away game, that's poor. Bournemouth get 6,000 but take 700 away, that's pretty decent and proves my theory correct that our fans only like nice local trips.

 

Tbf the kind of fan that travels away regularly is probably your die-hard that would still be there no matter how bad the team was. If, as you say, Bournemouth take away 700 (and that's probably one of their bigger away followings, while 1,500 for us isn't) while their average home gate is 6k, well if that suddenly dropped of to a more regular 4k then those 700 would probably still remain a constant both home and away. Regular away followings don't come and go as dramatically as home attendances when things get tough.

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How many games last season (probably one of the best seasons in our history), North of Oxford did we sell out last season?

 

Probably none, but we had decent turn outs at Leicester, Forest and Peterborough (although the last one should be a given as it was such a massive game)

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Probably none, but we had decent turn outs at Leicester, Forest and Peterborough (although the last one should be a given as it was such a massive game)

 

Correct. How many games South of Oxford did we sell out? Every single one.

 

The support is there, just as long as it doesn't involve too much effort.

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Well. Coventry was decent and we could have had as many as we wanted there. Brum would have probably been better if the weather wasnt so bad and it was on sky. It's improved in the last few years, but I do agree there is still a lot of room for improvement. Still think they'll be issues getting tickets though....contemplating getting a ST and just losing out on money or sharing with someone else.

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Well. Coventry was decent and we could have had as many as we wanted there.

 

You're kind of proving my point...

 

Brum would have probably been better if the weather wasnt so bad and it was on sky.

 

Ah, the weather. I was wondering how long it would be until someone wheeled that gem out. I wasn't aware that everyone knew 3 weeks in advance it was going to snow that day in Birmingham.

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Well I know of some people who had tickets but didnt bother going as they assumed it would have been called off. Lets be honest, it should have been and it would have been a wasted trip if it had been called off. I've never been so cold at a football match, and struggled to get back to my mates who lived a 5 min bus ride from the ground. I dont blame people for not coming from Southampton for that one.

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Well I know of some people who had tickets but didnt bother going as they assumed it would have been called off. Lets be honest, it should have been and it would have been a wasted trip if it had been called off. I've never been so cold at a football match, and struggled to get back to my mates who lived a 5 min bus ride from the ground. I dont blame people for not coming from Southampton for that one.

 

So around 1,000 (that being the amount of people that would've raised the attendance to a respectable number) people bought tickets but decided not to bother?

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Correct. How many games South of Oxford did we sell out? Every single one.

 

The support is there, just as long as it doesn't involve too much effort.

 

Seems to me that rising transport costs and the recession have as much to do with that as anything. That and SWT multibuy tickets not applying outside the south and London.

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So around 1,000 (that being the amount of people that would've raised the attendance to a respectable number) people bought tickets but decided not to bother?

 

Not everyones lives run around football. Sure people saw the weather and thought miss that one. Prob not an extra 1000, but prob another 500. Still werent bad attendance from what I remember. When did away tickets ever go on sale 3 weeks before a game anyway? I normally bought mine on the gate or a few days before.

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Correct. How many games South of Oxford did we sell out? Every single one.

 

The support is there, just as long as it doesn't involve too much effort.

 

I suspect Saints fans put in about the same amount of effort as other teams, no more no less. Fans of different clubs arent different sub-species.

 

There is only one PL club with 1.5 hours travel of Southampton. If you are in the North, Midlands or London its probably 7 or 8.

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