Give it to Ron Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 Has anyone been down there today either to buy or to collect. I have to go and collect my Nipper's as it's a consession and I'm off tomorrow, I'm a bit pushed for time and dont want to be waiting around for ages. No help at all but when I went down to the shop on Saturday there were only about 4 in the queue for tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 Has anyone been down there today either to buy or to collect. I have to go and collect my Nipper's as it's a consession and I'm off tomorrow, I'm a bit pushed for time and dont want to be waiting around for ages. There were quite a few down there this morning, but 4 windows open and it took me less than 15mins to get my tickets for Saturday, a lot depends on how many are buying season tickets as this seems to take an age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 Just done a count, I make it 21,541 sold so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 Just got mine with my mate, Block 38 Row OO Seats 999 +1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I think it's gonna be a nightmare getting tickets for non season ticket holders. I expect the total to push over £23k at least now. What with 3200 away fans. This will leave at best a paltry 6000 tickets left for each game for general sale. They could then prioritise based on loyalty points. I would also imagine that there will be another spike of sales end of July when pay day has arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_TOAST Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I think it's gonna be a nightmare getting tickets for non season ticket holders. I expect the total to push over £23k at least now. What with 3200 away fans. This will leave at best a paltry 6000 tickets left for each game for general sale. They could then prioritise based on loyalty points. I would also imagine that there will be another spike of sales end of July when pay day has arrived. I've told my mate who is a bit crazy (he was a ST Holder last year but can't afford one this time) and is desperate to see Manure he's going to have to camp out to get tickets and he's actually planning on doing it. I would imagine they will go quick though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I think it's gonna be a nightmare getting tickets for non season ticket holders. I expect the total to push over £23k at least now. What with 3200 away fans. This will leave at best a paltry 6000 tickets left for each game for general sale. They could then prioritise based on loyalty points. I would also imagine that there will be another spike of sales end of July when pay day has arrived. Yep, we are back in the same situation as the last days of the Dell. NC wont do anything about it untill he see a sustained trend - and at least one Premeirship survival, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I've told my mate who is a bit crazy (he was a ST Holder last year but can't afford one this time) and is desperate to see Manure he's going to have to camp out to get tickets and he's actually planning on doing it. I would imagine they will go quick though. If he's that bothered about watching Man Utd, a lot of their less glamorous games make general sale at Old Trafford. May I suggest he tries to get a ticket up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Yep, we are back in the same situation as the last days of the Dell. NC wont do anything about it untill he see a sustained trend - and at least one Premeirship survival, imo. Well being that "doing something about it" involves significant logistical and capital commitment he's doing the right thing. On here I think we'll all pretty sure there are scenarios planned for expansion in the right time and the right way. Thats the only "doing something about it" he should be doing right now. Beating Lowe era levels (25,000 mark) would be a significant step on that journey though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Well being that "doing something about it" involves significant logistical and capital commitment he's doing the right thing. On here I think we'll all pretty sure there are scenarios planned for expansion in the right time and the right way. Thats the only "doing something about it" he should be doing right now. Beating Lowe era levels (25,000 mark) would be a significant step on that journey. Not sure the reason for your usual heavy sarcasm, I am in complete agreement with NCs approach and therefore you as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Well being that "doing something about it" involves significant logistical and capital commitment he's doing the right thing. On here I think we'll all pretty sure there are scenarios planned for expansion in the right time and the right way. Beating Lowe era levels (25,000 mark) would be a significant step on that journey. I think it was you (or maybe Kraken or Sour Mash) that said 24k in the past. Moving the goalposts? Are you saying the Lowe era levels were 25k and that is what needs to be beaten, or beat the 25k mark? Wasn't it circa 22k under Lowe? Which is very close to what we have now, with 3 weeks left to sell more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I think it was you (or maybe Kraken or Sour Mash) that said 24k in the past. Moving the goalposts? Are you saying the Lowe era levels were 25k and that is what needs to be beaten, or beat the 25k mark? Wasn't it circa 22k under Lowe? Which is very close to what we have now, with 3 weeks left to sell more. So 25,000 is not beating any of those numbers? Is 25,000 more or less than 22,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I've told my mate who is a bit crazy (he was a ST Holder last year but can't afford one this time) and is desperate to see Manure he's going to have to camp out to get tickets and he's actually planning on doing it. I would imagine they will go quick though. Sounds like a right nutter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Not sure the reason for your usual heavy sarcasm, I am in complete agreement with NCs approach and therefore you as well. I wasn't intending to be sarcastic there. I think its just in my DNA...anyway we agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 So 25,000 is not beating any of those numbers? Is 25,000 more or less than 22,000? That depends on whether you are taking into account the seasonal adjustment figure as allowed by HMG on all numbers that could produce one or more different outcomes depending on who is reading the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 So 25,000 is not beating any of those numbers? Is 25,000 more or less than 22,000? That is what I was asking for clarification on. So the 25k your benchmark. It is possible the club may restrict itself from selling as many as 25k season tickets in a 32k stadium. Away fans (taking into consideration some blocks will be away fan blocks for cup games), segregation, corporate and allowing a reasonable number open for general sale (I believe the % for this is in the league rules) all eat into the 32k capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 That depends on whether you are taking into account the seasonal adjustment figure as allowed by HMG on all numbers that could produce one or more different outcomes depending on who is reading the result. Good point. Also we have MLG's lectures about not being able to definitively say whether X is bigger or smaller than Y because of information we don't have or information that might happen in the future that may or may not see or something about Goodison Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I think it was you (or maybe Kraken or Sour Mash) that said 24k in the past. Moving the goalposts? If you're going to quote me (or others) then I'd appreciate it if you either get it right or post a link. I have said before that the most we got under Lowe was around 23,000 season tickets. Lowe's and Andrew Cowan's benchmark for a bigger ground (as told to Steve Grant by AC, I believe) was a few continuous years of season ticket sales above 25,000. It is possible the club may restrict itself from selling as many as 25k season tickets in a 32k stadium. Away fans (taking into consideration some blocks will be away fan blocks for cup games), segregation, corporate and allowing a reasonable number open for general sale (I believe the % for this is in the league rules) all eat into the 32k capacity. No, I don't believe that for one minute. Away fans are given 3,200, cup games are not included in the ST price so there is no guarantee of getting your seat for cup games (plenty in the Northam had to move for big away cup allocations). All restrictions are pretty muh the same as when Lowe/Cowan set their benchmark, while its possible there have been minor fluctuations in this number I certainly don't believe its now impossible to sell 25,000 season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 There is a FA rule that a certain % of tickets have to be sold on a match by match basis, something like 10% of capacity IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 There is a FA rule that a certain % of tickets have to be sold on a match by match basis, something like 10% of capacity IIRC. Yep, there is, and its been in place for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 That is what I was asking for clarification on. So the 25k your benchmark. It is possible the club may restrict itself from selling as many as 25k season tickets in a 32k stadium. If you really need me, some schmuck on a forum to commit to a benchmark then yes, fine, that's mine. But not just once. Put it in your lever arch file about me. Anyway...so who is moving the goalposts now. Already weaving dopey theories why we might not sell 25,000. The way it is going I think we will get darn close to 25, but lets see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 There is a FA rule that a certain % of tickets have to be sold on a match by match basis, something like 10% of capacity IIRC. Yep, there is, and its been in place for quite some time. Which is what I said, so 20% is taken up by away fans and the non season ticket seats. That is over 6,500+ seats in a 32.6k stadium. Other factors like segregation, corporate and possibly wanting to allow more than the 10% to be non season tickets, will mean the limit Saints put on ST numbers is lowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Which is what I said, so 20% is taken up by away fans and the non season ticket seats. That is over 6,500+ seats in a 32.6k stadium. Other factors like segregation, corporate and possibly wanting to allow more than the 10% to be non season tickets, will mean the limit Saints put on ST numbers is lowered. As it always has been at St. Mary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Yep, there is, and its been in place for quite some time. Norwich capacity 27220. Season ticket sales last season capped at 21883 with 1718 on waiting list. 80.4% of capacity sold as season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Norwich capacity 27220. Season ticket sales last season capped at 21883 with 1718 on waiting list. 80.4% of capacity sold as season tickets. So if applied exactly to St. Mary's, 26,282 possible season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Well being that "doing something about it" involves significant logistical and capital commitment he's doing the right thing. On here I think we'll all pretty sure there are scenarios planned for expansion in the right time and the right way. Thats the only "doing something about it" he should be doing right now. Beating Lowe era levels (25,000 mark) would be a significant step on that journey though. At the moment anyone who wants a S/T can get one. Once we start getting a few thousend on a waiting list things might start to move in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Well I've been to loads of games over the last 15 years, and only ever had a ST once due to one thing or another. Went to loads of games in L1 and in the NPC even when we were doing ****. But doesn't look like it's going to be very easy to get home tickets and an absolute nightmare to get away tickets. Wanted to do Fulham, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal. Wigan, West Ham, Swansea, and potentially Newcastle and Sunderland away this season, but ill be lucky if i can get to half of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Well I've been to loads of games over the last 15 years, and only ever had a ST once due to one thing or another. Went to loads of games in L1 and in the NPC even when we were doing ****. But doesn't look like it's going to be very easy to get home tickets and an absolute nightmare to get away tickets. Wanted to do Fulham, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal. Wigan, West Ham, Swansea, and potentially Newcastle and Sunderland away this season, but ill be lucky if i can get to half of them. London games were always likely to be a problem for non-ST holders this season. I reckon you'll get a ticket for Wigan (up to 5000 if we want them), Swansea and probably Newcastle and Sunderland on general sale though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Every away game bar London ones and Reading will make general sale. Just like they always have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Yer I know, hopefully my dad won't fancy it and ill be able to have his...although I'm sure he'd rather go as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Every away game bar London ones and Reading will make general sale. Just like they always have... What are the likely allocations we'll be given? Was also hoping to do Liverpool as I've never done Anfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 At the moment anyone who wants a S/T can get one. Once we start getting a few thousend on a waiting list things might start to move in that direction. Absolutely. I've always said STs and specifically a waiting list for them are the key indicator for expansion. But this really upsets some forum users who then go off on one about nonsense like flexible pricing, catchment areas, selling loads of tickets to nuetral non saints fans, Chelsea in 1984, climbing everest and walking on the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 What are the likely allocations we'll be given? Was also hoping to do Liverpool as I've never done Anfield. Depends if we take our full allocations but vast majority of places if will be around 3-3,500. Wigan we can have 5,000, Fulham have that vile neutral end so you can effectively have that whole end which is around 6,000 - though seeing as we have them on Boxing Day, we'll only have 2k or so there. Reading will cut our allocation back down to the normal 2,000 now their plastics have come crawling back as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Absolutely. I've always said STs and specifically a waiting list for them are the key indicator for expansion. But this really upsets some forum users who then go off on one about nonsense like flexible pricing, catchment areas, selling loads of tickets to nuetral non saints fans, Chelsea in 1984, climbing everest and walking on the moon. The other thing with S/T waiting list is it puts pressure on the Council/ local autherity when it comes to moving or expanding. My mate is a Spurs supporter and they have a system where tickets go on sale to people on the S/T waiting list first. He reckons this encourages people to go onto the waiting list even if they have no intention of ever getting a S/T. Spurs know this, but can pressure the council by saying we have x thousend on the waiting list. It may help smooth any difficulties with the council and really show how much a new ground is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 What are the likely allocations we'll be given? Was also hoping to do Liverpool as I've never done Anfield. A quick look on Football Ground Guide and it seems around 3,000 is the usual allocation at most Premier League grounds, although this may be false as I've always thought that the City away end when full looked more than 3,000. Liverpool's is around 2,000. Always thought there were rules that away supporters must be allocated 10% of the Stadium for League games, or is that just in the football league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 A quick look on Football Ground Guide and it seems around 3,000 is the usual allocation at most Premier League grounds, although this may be false as I've always thought that the City away end when full looked more than 3,000. Liverpool's is around 2,000. Always thought there were rules that away supporters must be allocated 10% of the Stadium for League games, or is that just in the football league? Premier League rules state you have to give a minimum of 10% capacity or 3,000 tickets, whichever figure is lower. Saints have trditionally given up to 3,200 due to the peculiarities of St. Mary's. Back in Lowe's day there were occasions when we didn't take as many away fans as we could have, as beyond the initial allocation they were not on sale or return (i.e. if we took 2,000 and only sold 1,500 the club was out of pocket for 500 tickets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 As a fan it would be disappointing if we didnt sell out for the majority of away games this season. I know we won't sell out for specific ones, namely the ones a long way away or on TV, but I wouldnt expect any of the London games to get to general sale, nor Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 As a fan it would be disappointing if we didnt sell out for the majority of away games this season. I know we won't sell out for specific ones, namely the ones a long way away or on TV, but I wouldnt expect any of the London games to get to general sale, nor Reading. I've previously been to away games at Arsenal (Highbury), Tottenham, QPR, Palace, Wimbledon, Villa, Chelsea, all in the PL and all bought on general sale (or membership), so we'll have to consistently step up our game for that to be the case. Our away following does seem to have significantly increased since our last stint in this league though, so we'll soon see how many people really want to pay the huge ticket prices that some of the London clubs are charging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I've previously been to away games at Arsenal (Highbury), Tottenham, QPR, Palace, Wimbledon, Villa, Chelsea, all in the PL and all bought on general sale (or membership), so we'll have to consistently step up our game for that to be the case. Our away following does seem to have significantly increased since our last stint in this league though, so we'll soon see how many people really want to pay the huge ticket prices that some of the London clubs are charging. As our fans have shown throughout history, our fanbase likes away trips that are near-by and are generally deemed as a safe day out. Hence why we failed to sell out 'Boro away last season, despite having the potential to be one of the biggest games in our history and why we took 6,000 to Palace with many more desperate for tickets but only took half that to Millwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I think that the fact it was easter Monday also helped a lot more people be able to go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Hence why we failed to sell out 'Boro away last season, despite having the potential to be one of the biggest games in our history Boro was on Sky which would have stopped a fair few going, certainly didn't stop me and many others who did go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Boro was on Sky which would have stopped a fair few going, certainly didn't stop me and many others who did go... Around 2/5 of our games will be on TV this year (and many more of them streamed on the internet) so by that rationale quite a few people are going to get put off by going quite often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Around 2/5 of our games will be on TV this year (and many more of them streamed on the internet) so by that rationale quite a few people are going to get put off by going quite often. Away numbers will be good this season. Novelty factor + ground ticking off factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Away numbers will be good this season. Novelty factor + ground ticking off factor. I'm not so sure. After a few games we are likely to be struggling near the foot of the table and prices are extortionate. Can't see our away support being different to how it always was i.e far less at Northern games than we've seen in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I am smug knowing that I will be able to go to quite a few games in the posh area for twenty quid. Suckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Saints fans take less to northern games Wow, would never have imagined why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I'm not so sure. After a few games we are likely to be struggling near the foot of the table and prices are extortionate. Can't see our away support being different to how it always was i.e far less at Northern games than we've seen in recent years. Fair point. My only counter argument is that a whole group of fans, say under 24ish, wouldn't have been to the PL grounds and will deffo want to. In the group I go with Swansea, Wigan & Arsenal are the priority for the adults as they are our "new" grounds and with the kids it's OT, Anfield etc, all the "big" clubs. Pretty sure that that pattern will be similar for many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Saints fans take less to northern games Wow, would never have imagined why I would imagine the "big" northern games will have good followings & Wigan for "tick off" reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I would imagine the "big" northern games will have good followings & Wigan for "tick off" reasons. Stoke should see a good turnout providing it's a Saturday 3 o clock k/o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Stoke should see a good turnout providing it's a Saturday 3 o clock k/o. Forgot about that & it's my home game this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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