alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Well, today is the day...maybe. Apparently there are 3 possibilities : 1. Back in SPL, many sanctions. Lots of opposition 2. In First Div, some opposition 3. In lowest division, massive opposition from SPL because of "huge damage it does the over 41 clubs" according to the CEO of the SPL. Personally I would stick them in the lowest division as a matter or principle; does anyone understand this "huge damage" argument ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Well, today is the day...maybe. Apparently there are 3 possibilities : 1. Back in SPL, many sanctions. Lots of opposition 2. In First Div, some opposition 3. In lowest division, massive opposition from SPL because of "huge damage it does the over 41 clubs" according to the CEO of the SPL. Personally I would stick them in the lowest division as a matter or principle; does anyone understand this "huge damage" argument ? Yep. Money. No Rangers then most SPL clubs Gate Revenues get hurt Also the TV coverage will drop away. Old Firm games get shown world-wide. Drop in TV Income No TV coverage cannot get the same price for Ground & Pitch-Side advertising Could force a number of clubs to the wall. At least IF they are L1 then it is only a year of pain finacially, They go right the way down then that financial black hole could take 2 or even more years to recover..... Also don't forget that all the Scottish Clubs will have budgeted - player contracts cannot suddenly be reduced if you were to lose 10% of your annual income. It is a mess and means a compromise has to be agreed between Sporting Integrity & Financial Survival for Scottish Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Yep. Money. No Rangers then most SPL clubs Gate Revenues get hurt Also the TV coverage will drop away. Old Firm games get shown world-wide. Drop in TV Income No TV coverage cannot get the same price for Ground & Pitch-Side advertising Could force a number of clubs to the wall. At least IF they are L1 then it is only a year of pain finacially, They go right the way down then that financial black hole could take 2 or even more years to recover.....Also don't forget that all the Scottish Clubs will have budgeted - player contracts cannot suddenly be reduced if you were to lose 10% of your annual income. It is a mess and means a compromise has to be agreed between Sporting Integrity & Financial Survival for Scottish Football. Right, of course. Makes sense now. The Scottish FA and SPL need to be seen to be punishing Rangers (first division) but not too much (lowest division) otherwise they suffer financially. If it is only one year (first division) they may be able to stall over the various TV rights agreeements and reduced gate receipts may be survivable. I assume this is where all the sh*t from Celtic is coming from about just stripping their titles from the history books; put them back in the SPL with such punishment/humilliation and Celtic still get their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Sky have apparently said that they're prepared to wait a year for them to get back up, but not 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Most Rangers fans want to go to the 3rd Division to deprive SPL clubs of their money and see how they cope without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 I see, on judgement day, some of the SPL chairmen are wobbling and now don't know how to vote rangers are simply ridiculously massive in scotland...and worth so many £££££££ to all the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Most Rangers fans want to go to the 3rd Division to deprive SPL clubs of their money and see how they cope without them. Well, I am wondering how they will manage without Rangers too, to be honest. Quite frankly, with all the points-scoring, petty revenge and childishness going on up there, the whole house of cards deserves to come crashing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 I see, on judgement day, some of the SPL chairmen are wobbling and now don't know how to vote This doesnt surprise me at all. They want their pound of flesh, but know what side their bread is buttered on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Well, I am wondering how they will manage without Rangers too, to be honest. Quite frankly, with all the points-scoring, petty revenge and childishness going on up there, the whole house of cards deserves to come crashing down. And it probably will sometime soon. Aberdeen aren't too far off from going under as well by all accounts. Their owners are in a Catch-22 position up there. Vote for Rangers to stay and they'll receive a massive backlash from their supporters who despise Rangers and have promised to boycott, or vote for them to leave and say goodbye to 2 of their biggest gate receipts of the season and loss of TV revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 The clubs have a problem though in that the fans of all SPL clubs dont want them back... to the point where they have stated boycotts etc... (although likely to be forgotten eventually) - The compromise will probably be SPL admission, but Europe ban, and huge sanctions, including smaller proportion of TV monies etc - not ideal but given the precarious state of football finance, a relgation punishment would as said above screw many others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 And it probably will sometime soon. Aberdeen aren't too far off from going under as well by all accounts. Their owners are in a Catch-22 position up there. Vote for Rangers to stay and they'll receive a massive backlash from their supporters who despise Rangers and have promised to boycott, or vote for them to leave and say goodbye to 2 of their biggest gate receipts of the season and loss of TV revenue. I can well imagine that the whole "we're not going to allow Rangers back in" stance by some of the SPL clubs was simply playing to their fan bases and that when push-came-to-shove, they were always going to vote yes with a heavy heart. In that case, how to punish Rangers ?? If the turkeys really do vote for Xmas and give a definitive "no", I think this indicative of the mentality north of the border which in a couple of years time is going to lead to Scottish independence and shortly afterwards Scottish bankruptcy. They seem to struggle with the realities of situations up north... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Looks like they've bottled out from making a decision.... Season starts in just over a month, chaps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 I'm outside Ibrox now - will post updates when possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 I'm outside Ibrox now - will post updates when possible Excellent. I understand they're meeting at Hampden Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 such a difference in England and Scotland down here, it seemed other clubs were helping pompey..up there, they want to fuk rangers over they have had a -10 transfer embargo kicked out of europe for 3 years and now may kick them out of the SPL lol christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Looking like they'll be heading for Div. 1. That way clubs only lose out on their money for one season (you'd think so anyway!), the clubs save face and look good in their fans eyes and everyone get's to laugh at Rangers which will appease all non-Rangers fans across Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 The old Rangers club no longer exsits right? How can it be fair for a new club to start in the countries top division or even in the football league proper surely they should have to start at the bottom of the Scottish footballing world (Highland league? the Tennants special brew wife beaters league?) and work they're way up... At least it might make the old firm derby a bit more special don't they play like 20 derbies a season in SPL must take the edge of it a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 The old Rangers club no longer exsits right? How can it be fair for a new club to start in the countries top division or even in the football league proper surely they should have to start at the bottom of the Scottish footballing world (Highland league? the Tennants special brew wife beaters league?) and work they're way up... At least it might make the old firm derby a bit more special don't they play like 20 derbies a season in SPL must take the edge of it a bit. It doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 SPL just voted NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Dan Roan @danroan SPL announce that member clubs have 'voted overwhelmingly to reject' Rangers' application to join the top flight as a newco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 SPL just voted NO! No surprise, they'd already all indicated how they would vote. The only real thing they're going to be deciding is which league they start in next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 The old Rangers club no longer exsits right? How can it be fair for a new club to start in the countries top division or even in the football league proper surely they should have to start at the bottom of the Scottish footballing world (Highland league? the Tennants special brew wife beaters league?) and work they're way up... At least it might make the old firm derby a bit more special don't they play like 20 derbies a season in SPL must take the edge of it a bit. Its not particularly fair to Airdrie Utd or Stranraer if Rangers go into the first division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 SPL just voted NO! Idiots. Watch the SPL clubs now put pressure on the SFL to let Rangers into the first division. If the SFL dont allow it, the SPL have committed suicide. Turkeys voting for Xmas.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Still outside Ibrox - mental scenes here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 According to the live feed on the BBC, Scottish football is really up sh*t creek without a paddle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1885 Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Well done, this is nothing but just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Well done, this is nothing but just. Just it may be, but it might also be the death knell of Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 It doesn't. I imagine they're passionate but familiarity breads contemempt how much nastier/exciting would an old firm derby be if the don't get one for 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Just it may be, but it might also be the death knell of Scottish football. No it won't. When they went into admin, Rangers were 2nd in the SPL. After they had points deducted, they were 2nd in the SPL, and at the end of the season they finished 2nd in the SPL. Relegation to Div.1 isn't catastrophic for anybody. Keep things in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Just it may be, but it might also be the death knell of Scottish football. I doubt it. It might change Scottish football...but as long as kilt wearing jocks want to kick a pigs bladder and other jocks want to watch them do it Scottish football would survive in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 No it won't. When they went into admin, Rangers were 2nd in the SPL. After they had points deducted, they were 2nd in the SPL, and at the end of the season they finished 2nd in the SPL. Relegation to Div.1 isn't catastrophic for anybody. Keep things in perspective. You are assuming they will go into division 1. 10 of the 30 SFL teams have already come out against that proposal, and Sky are implying they arent going to stand by a Rangers-less SPL for more than one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonbairn Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 (edited) When you mention fairness to other clubs, I wouldn't bring Airdrie United into the equation. Airdrie went the same way as Rangers but they bought over Clydeank who were also in administration at the same time but with much less debt than Airdrie. They then renamed Clydebank to Airdrie United and moved the club to Airdrie. Clydebank no more. I've mentioned on other threads, If Southampton had been liquidated and expelled from the league and a few seasons later the same happend with Portsmouth but their NEWCO was allowed to stay in the league because they were a "BIG" club. We would be up in arms. This SPL (Self Preservation League) has been mismanaged for years, The league has been restructured numerous times to suit when "BIG" teams look likely to be relegated. They demanded a 10,000 seat stadium rule to keep smaller teams from getting promoted when stadiums in the SPL struggled to attract 4,000 crowds. Rangers should be placed in the non league where Gretna were put a few seasons back because as a NEWCO they couldn't provide financial statements for a 3 year period. If there are rules in place for Gretna then these same rules should be in place for Rangers and Scottish footballl should cut its cloth accordingly. Edited 4 July, 2012 by southamptonbairn grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 When you mention fairness to other clubs, I wouldn't bring Airdrie United into the equation. Airdrie went the same way as Rangers but they bought over Clydeank who were also in administration at the same time but with much less debt than Airdrie. They then renamed Clydebank to Airdrie United and moved the club to Airdrie. Clydebank no more. I've mentioned on other threads, If Southampton had been liquidated and expelled from the league and a few seasons later the same happend with Portsmouth but their NEWCO was allowed to stay in the league because they were a "BIG" club. We would be up in arms. This SPL (Self Preservation League) has been mismanaged for years, The league has been restructured numerous times to suit when "BIG" teams look likely to be relegated. They demanded a 10,000 seat stadium rule to keep smaller teams from getting promoted when stadiums in the SPL struggled to attract 4,000 crowds. Rangers should be placed in the non league where Gretna were put a few seasons back because as a NEWCO they couldn't provide financial statements for a 3 year period. If there are rules in place for Gretna then these same rules should be in place for Rangers and Scottish footballl should cut it's cloth accordingly. Whats coming out of all this is just how weak and pathetic the Scottish FA are. They are letting the SPL chief pressure the SFL into admitting Rangers into Division 1 with threats of doom and disaster, whilst ingnoring the precidents such as the one you described. Imagine how bad they would run their country when they cant even run a football competition.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonbairn Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 According to the live feed on the BBC, Scottish football is really up sh*t creek without a paddle.... Scottish football has been up sh*t creek for years. Why do you think I spend a fortune following Southampton every season. If there was quality up here I'd go and watch it but I'm afraid to say that it stinks. This MAY be what Scottish football needs, restructuring, cutting its cloth and playing youths rather than overated foreigners who can't make it down south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Whats coming out of all this is just how weak and pathetic the Scottish FA are. They are letting the SPL chief pressure the SFL into admitting Rangers into Division 1 with threats of doom and disaster, whilst ingnoring the precidents such as the one you described. Imagine how bad they would run their country when they cant even run a football competition.... I'm not sure the English FA would be any different with regards to the PL to be honest...... money talks and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2012 I'm not sure the English FA would be any different with regards to the PL to be honest...... money talks and all that Well, we know that already, I suppose, since the EFA doesnt seem to want to do anything about the complete f**king pig-sty of a club down the M27... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 I see the Celtic fans have been busy already on Wiki: Rangers Football Club was a football club based in Glasgow, who played in the Scottish Premier League until the end of the 2011-12 season. Didn't take them long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Start them in Division 3. There will be some short-term howling, but over the next few years - every Scottish team from 3rd division and above can count on a visit from Rangers fans for at least a year, assuming the newco-run club performs as expected and gets multiple promotions to the SPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 4 July, 2012 Share Posted 4 July, 2012 Scotland has a population of just over 5m, somewhere on par with countries like Croatia, Georgia and Finland. They just don't have the population to support a decent league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2012 So, now Reagan at the SFA has found his balls : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2168730/Rangers-booted-SPL-Scottish-rivals-reject-newco-appeal.html However, they are only little shrivelled balls. He hasnt actually told the SPL they must re-admit Rangers, no, he's just bullying and emotionally blackmailing the SFL. The arrogance of this is breathtaking. The selfish SPL clubs with chips on their shoulders kick out Rangers, then through their CEO and the boss of the SFA tell the SFL they must take Rangers at their top level in order to protect their revenue. F**king unbelieveable. I hope Rangers stick up the middle finger and insist on 3rd Division re-entry, safe in the knowledge that when Scottish Football fails completely, they will be able to apply to enter the English Football League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 So, now Reagan at the SFA has found his balls : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2168730/Rangers-booted-SPL-Scottish-rivals-reject-newco-appeal.html However, they are only little shrivelled balls. He hasnt actually told the SPL they must re-admit Rangers, no, he's just bullying and emotionally blackmailing the SFL. The arrogance of this is breathtaking. The selfish SPL clubs with chips on their shoulders kick out Rangers, then through their CEO and the boss of the SFA tell the SFL they must take Rangers at their top level in order to protect their revenue. F**king unbelieveable. I hope Rangers stick up the middle finger and insist on 3rd Division re-entry, safe in the knowledge that when Scottish Football fails completely, they will be able to apply to enter the English Football League. They can f uck off I don't want them in our league....If I had my way Cardiff and Swansea would be made to play in the Corbett Sports Welsh Premier Football League..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 still here guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Scotland has a population of just over 5m, somewhere on par with countries like Croatia, Georgia and Finland. They just don't have the population to support a decent league. Croatia are currently ranked 9th in the world, so they've been producing decent players. They have a few decent sides in their league as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Croatia are currently ranked 9th in the world, so they've been producing decent players. They have a few decent sides in their league as well. Beat me to it. So what are they doing right that Scotland aren't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Sky Sports @SkySports Scottish Football League clubs will meet on Friday, July 13 to vote whether to accept newco Rangers into the league. Full story to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 F**king unbelieveable. I hope Rangers stick up the middle finger and insist on 3rd Division re-entry, safe in the knowledge that when Scottish Football fails completely, they will be able to apply to enter the English Football League. The vast majority of Rangers fans want them to enter in the 3rd Division. I even know a few that won't renew their season ticket's until they've been accepted in Div. 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2012 The vast majority of Rangers fans want them to enter in the 3rd Division. I even know a few that won't renew their season ticket's until they've been accepted in Div. 3. Well, I am sure they want 3rd Division as revenge on the rest of Scottish Football, not through some sort of sense of honour. But then again I dont blame them. Yes I know RFC has been run by a bunch of crooks, but thats not the fans fault, and the rest of Scottish football arent exaclty short in the schadenfreude department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Well, I am sure they want 3rd Division as revenge on the rest of Scottish Football, not through some sort of sense of honour. But then again I dont blame them. Yes I know RFC has been run by a bunch of crooks, but thats not the fans fault, and the rest of Scottish football arent exaclty short in the schadenfreude department. Oh it's purely a revenge thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Beat me to it. So what are they doing right that Scotland aren't? They have some decent players and a decent NT, probably because of the popularity of football and a half decent youth set up. However as a League I'd have said it is fairly weak. I've never seen a Croatian League game, so this is all just my own theory but even the best teams like Hajduk and Dinamo are fairly average Europa League material. There are only 4 stadiums which can hold more than 10,000 people. There's a reason players like Modric and Jelavic don't hang around long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2012 11 clubs from the SFL have come out and said they will vote against Rangers going into Division 1, and Dundee have apparently been told they cannot vote due to conflict of interest, reducing the number of eligible votes down to 29. This means only 4 more teams with greater interest in integrity than money need to come out and say "no", Rangers will go into the 3rd division, and Scottish Football wil implode. Personally, I think Reagan of the SFA should resign for his passive and inept handling of this. He should have torn the SPL teams a new arsehole. And there is still no answer as to whether "club12" will be Dundee or Dunfirmline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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