alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/euro2012/4404991/Roy-Hodgson-branded-a-coward-by-Matthew-Le-Tissier.html Well, I agree with him, but there are loads of comments from uppity Manyoo fans and skate trolls on there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Apart from a few people everyone seems to agree with Matt, so they should too as Rooney was, and has been awful for England ever since he got injured in Euro 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Dunno about cowardice but it certainly wasn't the right decision to keep Rooney on - perhaps not even the right decision to play him in the first place. Then again, this is the manager who kept picking James bloody Milner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Agree with his point but dislike his choice of word (coward, if he used it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Agree with his point but dislike his choice of word (coward, if he used it). What word would you suggest he uses then as coward seems to fit the bill coward. noun, A Person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Dunno about cowardice but it certainly wasn't the right decision to keep Rooney on - perhaps not even the right decision to play him in the first place. Then again, this is the manager who kept picking James bloody Milner. Milner, who performed much better than Rooney and Young and is a very under rated player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 What word would you suggest he uses then as coward seems to fit the bill coward. noun, A Person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things My gran had a saying, 'Only the Jockey and the horse know how high the fence really is, the punter in the stands thinks he knows'. Summed it up well for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Probably he (Hodgson) had more than half an eye on the sh*tstorm that Graham Taylor endured when he took off Linekar against Sweden. Taylor was pilloried for that for years even though it was absolutely the correct thing to do at the time. People don't remember the game now, just that he took off 'our top scorer' 'our best player' ' our match winner' 'Saint Gary' 'he stopped him breaking the English scoring record' etc etc. What a load of twonk: I for one had been screaming at the telly to get Linekar off who was playing complete gash and wouldn't have scored if they had played all night. The joys of international management, damned if you do and damned if you don't - with hindsight we need not have taken Rooney at all and England looked much more coherent at times in the warm-up games with Young playing through the middle - but would Hodgson ever have lived down that call? He played safe and who can blame him? His was a safety-first face-saving appointment and he would argue he more than met his brief getting us out of the group and drawing 0-0 with the eventual finalists .... let's see what he does with a two year qualifying campaign and a WC and with maybe Wilshire to return ... probably lose on penalties in the last 16 .... LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Agree with his point but dislike his choice of word (coward, if he used it). When you compare Pearce's decision to exclude Beckham from the Olympic squad, seems to me that "coward" is the perfect word to use. Rooney shouldnt have even been in the squad for Euro 2012, to be fair, but Hodgson bottled that too. We could have had a much more effective striker on from the get-go in the first game, sharpening up for that Italy game. The only mittigating circumstance I will concede in Rooney's defence is that Hodgson's tactics and formation against Italy hardly offered Rooney much opportunity to do anything, but then he didnt look fanastically enthusiastic and energetic anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 My gran had a saying, 'Only the Jockey and the horse know how high the fence really is, the punter in the stands thinks he knows'. Summed it up well for me. Please enlighten me, as I don't really know what your alluding to with the above statement and I don't think that quite answers the question asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Please enlighten me, as I don't really know what your alluding to with the above statement and I don't think that quite answers the question asked That only people close to the action (the horse and jockey / Hodgson and Rooney) know the full story and its easy for punters on the outside to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Milner, who performed much better than Rooney and Young and is a very under rated player. Milner, who failed to provide anything of value throughout the entire tournament. One of his best qualities is his crossing ability, and we were all told that Sweden couldn't handle crosses into the box. He could barely run to a crossing position, let alone get one in. A perfect example of someone who appears to works hard, which means in the eyes of many that he's a good player. It's not so. I'm not saying he's a bad player, I'm saying he played badly in that tournament and after the first two games should have been dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 I thought Roy had a good tournament, made the right calls on the whole. You have to wonder how the FA manage rooney though, there's a hell of alot of revenue tied up in sponsorship deals which rely on him playing. I'm pretty sure thsi drives his selection half the time, because on form he shouldn't be anywhere near at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 That only people close to the action (the horse and jockey / Hodgson and Rooney) know the full story and its easy for punters on the outside to comment. I thought the full story was Rooney was absolutely pants and Hodgson was too much of a coward to take him off ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 That's that then. Any chance MLT still had of an England recall is definitely gone now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Milner, who performed much better than Rooney and Young and is a very under rated player. He's a great lad and would be an international standard player if he could actually complete a pass or two to a team mate. There's a reason he does so much running..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 MLT is right, just an unfortunate choice of words or maybe he was mis-quoted. Rooney had a terrible tournament.. as did Milner.. as did Young. It was the perfect oppty to give the younger lads a bigger run out BUT I still think did pretty considering all the difficulties in our preparation. Roy is a good manager and far better than people give him credit for - perhaps he simply didn't have too mnay other options. Having said that I'm sure Lambert would have put some of the headers away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 I like Rooney but I'm not sure he cares for England, and is not passionate about playing for us. Are his roots Irish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pressingon Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 I thought Roy had a good tournament, made the right calls on the whole. Blimey you are easily pleased. Hate to have seen him have a bad tounament then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Spot on comments from MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 I thought Roy had a good tournament, made the right calls on the whole. You have to wonder how the FA manage rooney though, there's a hell of alot of revenue tied up in sponsorship deals which rely on him playing. I'm pretty sure thsi drives his selection half the time, because on form he shouldn't be anywhere near at the mo. I agree....it is about time the pundits stopped calling this lad world class...he is not..a winner, yes...world class, no. you have to wonder if he really cares about England..his petulance got him suspended as we all know but his build up to the tournament consisted of a holiday to Las Vegas...and when he payed he clearly was woefully unfit.. I cannot stand him...yet he will continue to get picked, and will probably go on to break beckhams cap record and charltons scoring record sad really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 MLT is right, just an unfortunate choice of words or maybe he was mis-quoted. Rooney had a terrible tournament.. as did Milner.. as did Young. It was the perfect oppty to give the younger lads a bigger run out BUT I still think did pretty considering all the difficulties in our preparation. Roy is a good manager and far better than people give him credit for - perhaps he simply didn't have too mnay other options. Having said that I'm sure Lambert would have put some of the headers away! Totally agree with all of this , Rooney , Milner & Young are the reason we didn't beat Italy , All 3 were poor in the extreme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 I imagine even the Olympic team will keep hold of the ball more! With Stuart Pearce at the helm I don't have as much faith as you do. This is the manager who on more than one occasion has chosen to throw on a goalkeeper to play up front whilst leaving an actual striker on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 With Stuart Pearce at the helm I don't have as much faith as you do. This is the manager who on more than one occasion has chosen to throw on a goalkeeper to play up front whilst leaving an actual striker on the bench. haha yeah pearce is a fuking idiot. listening to his press conferences make me cringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 That only people close to the action (the horse and jockey / Hodgson and Rooney) know the full story and its easy for punters on the outside to comment. Bullseye, Bridgey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2012 I cannot stand him...yet he will continue to get picked, and will probably go on to break beckhams cap record and charltons scoring record Well, you might be right about the caps, but the scoring reckon is completely out of his reach the way he is going, unless of course the FA insist on him still being picked at the time he is collecting his pension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeSixty Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Clearly MLT has a far superior management record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Clearly MLT has a far superior management record. Well he is still evens in tournaments Managed 0 won or lost 0 Whereas Roy has played 1 for England and Lost 1 plus the other countries that didn't win anything when he was in charge so you could say MAtt has the better Management Record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Milner, who performed much better than Rooney and Young and is a very under rated player. This post is a wind up yes? It would appear that you did not watch the Euros or you would not have made that curious statement..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Wouldn't blame LeTiss for putting the boot into the England set up. They screwed him over his whole career, picking the likes of David Batty over possibly the most naturally gifted footballer the world has ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 misread the title, thought this was more abuse aimed at mlg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Wouldn't blame LeTiss for putting the boot into the England set up. They screwed him over his whole career, picking the likes of David Batty Yep, this is true. Players like MLT were/are treated like sh*t by the England set-up, but it still to this day rankles that the manager who sh*t on him the worst was also supposedly a victim of this mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 tbh tho, the cowards decisions was nit to leave Rooney in but to bring in Henderson to try and play for penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Well said Matt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Interesting to see that the vast majority of posters actually back Matt... Yes, the use of the word coward is a bit harsh but a blind man could see Rooney was woefully out of sorts and should never, ever have stayed on the pitch through to extra time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Rooney is either going to get a red card or a hat-trick against us in August, because of this.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Can't see the fuss. Matt comes out and says what 90% of the population (outside of Manchester and Kent) were thinking and suddenly he's the bad guy. Rooney was knackered by half time and contributed little to the game thereafter. That said, sometimes you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. If he had hauled Rooney off, and we'd still lost, he'd been tarred with the same brush as Graham Taylor when he hauled Lineker off for Alan Smith in 1992. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 You could see that Hodgson was in a difficult situation, particularly given that the FA had pushed the boat out to get Rooney's initial ban reduced from 3 games to 2 after he got crazily sent off against Montenegro. Supposedly having got some all-important game time against Ukraine, he'd then be on storming form for the quarter-final........ To be fair, Rooney did take a cracking penalty in the penalty shoot-out. Though he admittedly did little else that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Opinion is one thing, and fair enough, but I guess its always going to be appear very harsh when expressedso publically... Thing is whilst there is IMHO some truth in the the whole 'play it safe/media influence' argument, Roy is not alone in that. Its also about learning and mistakes are made... the real issue is whether Roy learns from that and then plays his own tune in the future (he should be cut a bit of slack surely given teh short time in the role). FWIW, the stick Low is getting in Germany is much more critical, given that he insisted on playing Schweinsteiger who was not fit (enough for the greeks, but no where need teh level he needed to be for Italy) and playing Podolski, Kroos and Gomez after the trio of Reus, Klose and Schurle had injected some pace and movement into their attack against Greece. If MLT is quoted correctly, I agree with the need to drop injured or players who do not perform, but 'coward' is a bit harsh and possibly ill advised. Yes it's correct in dictionary terms, but we all know its a word that carries alot more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 With Stuart Pearce at the helm I don't have as much faith as you do. This is the manager who on more than one occasion has chosen to throw on a goalkeeper to play up front whilst leaving an actual striker on the bench. Is this actually true or just apocryphal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 Is this actually true or just apocryphal? He did it once for Man City, I have it in mind it was David James he brought on up front. He also did it for the England U21s, I can't recall the name of the keeper who came on, but he was awful. Edit, it was Joe Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 I completly agree with him, same went for capello at the last world cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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