saintchris23 Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 According to The Mail at least.....nothing of any substance though.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2167860/Chelsea-set-bid-4m-Southamptons-Luke-Shaw.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 He has been heavily watched by Chelsea, as has JWP. 100% fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 He has been heavily watched by Chelsea, as has JWP. 100% fact. Yep, this is true. Can't see them wanting to move though, what future would he have there? Cashley Cole is there for the next few years at least, and they rate Ryan Bertrand very highly. Can't see him progressing, he's best off sticking here where he'll play games during the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 No reason to sell unless he wants away? We need a LB to challenge Fox really, don't we? Would he be able to step right in at this level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 You've got to say that the football transfer market in this country has gone absolutely mental if this is anywhere near true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 They really rate Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 They really rate Luke. Have you seen him play? I never have but he's meant to be class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leithsaint Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/02/chelsea-offer-southampton-luke-shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Have you seen him play? I never have but he's meant to be class. I have. Going to jump down my throat for that? Or would you like my opinion on something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Can't see us accepting 4 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Have you seen him play? I never have but he's meant to be class. I've only seen him the once against Chelsea last season. Did very well, Neil Bath and a number of staff was watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I have. Going to jump down my throat for that? Or would you like my opinion on something? Yes I'd like your opinion on him and quit with the persecution complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I have. Going to jump down my throat for that? Or would you like my opinion on something? And what do you think of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I've only seen him the once against Chelsea last season. Did very well, Neil Bath and a number of staff was watching. What's he like? 4m rumour puts Butlands price tag into perspective I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 If he's sold then where would this leave the dream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I've seen him, a very technical player, good pace and good energy to get up and down the left side. Very much in the mold of Gareth Bale, but less of a physical presence if you get what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I've seen him, a very technical player, good pace and good energy to get up and down the left side. Very much in the mold of Gareth Bale, but less of a physical presence if you get what I mean. I suppose at 17 or whatever he is he will bulk up. Bale is far bigger and stronger now than he was when he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I've seen him, a very technical player, good pace and good energy to get up and down the left side. Very much in the mold of Gareth Bale, but less of a physical presence if you get what I mean. He's only just about to turn 17 though so plenty of time to fill out a bit. How tall is he? Doesn't look like a shorty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 If he's sold would this be "doing it the southampton way"? And if so how would this be any different to how we've always done it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Technically awesome and very, very composed for a young lad. Seem's very intelligent with regards to playing out from the LB area and I do know, he has been encouraged to start travelling infield with the ball. Best way to describe him? A perfect combo of Bale and Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 He's only just about to turn 17 though so plenty of time to fill out a bit. How tall is he? Doesn't look like a shorty. True, but he's not a small lad, not massively tall either. Pretty much in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Technically awesome and very, very composed for a young lad. Seem's very intelligent with regards to playing out from the LB area and I do know, he has been encouraged to start travelling infield with the ball. Best way to describe him? A perfect combo of Bale and Bridge. No wonder Chelsea want him. Let's hope we keep him for a few seasons then if he does go its for top money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Saw him once and seemed a bit like Bridge. It's not great for the sport if the top clubs just sign talent on the off chance they make it. I know we won't sell for that but many clubs would. 4m is nothing to Chelsea, they spent far more on lukaku with little intention of playing him. Just stockpiling talent to make sure other clubs don't get it. To a lesser extent, we do the same to other clubs. Didn't we get Shaw from Plymouth? We've at least took a couple of their highly rated players and there is no guarantee that they will all make it with us. If the club can't keep hold of the best young players we have though,then the "dream" of having 50% of the team made up of academy youngsters can go out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 If he's sold would this be "doing it the southampton way"? And if so how would this be any different to how we've always done it? He will never leave, he'll be one of our champions league team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I've seen him a few times and been extremely impressed. He was excellent even when the Under 18's got dicked by Forest in the Youth Cup. Has very good touch and is a neat accurate passer. Good at dribbling and a quality delivery. Also reads the game well. To be fair he didn't do much in his one first team game, but he was played out of position for about 20 minutes in a tough game at Millwall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Mono wonder Chelsea want him. Let's hope we keep him for a few seasons then if he does go its for top money. He's turned them down before. We should be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Buttner's a left back isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Normally a left back, has been used on the wings, even sometimes on the right wing and cutting inside. Very good cross on him and footballing brain. I imagine Cortese and Adkins will work very hard to keep him, as retaining such players is core to their overall plan for the future. This will tell us a lot if he stays or goes this summer with the big clubs using the media to kick off a transfer battle. Situation is now different from when Bale, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain left as we now can offer top flight football. Plus in the former two players case, we have less need for the money with Liebherr backing us. Given the amounts Saints have managed for those three, I would also be very surprised and disappointed if Shaw left for just £4m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Normally a left back, has been used on the wings, even sometimes on the right wing and cutting inside. Very good cross on him and footballing brain. I imagine Cortese and Adkins will work very hard to keep him as keeping such players is core to their overall plan for the future. This will tell us a lot if he stays or goes this summer with the big clubs using the media to kick off a transfer battle. Situation is now different from when Bale, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain left as we now can offer top flight football. Plus in the former two players case, we have less need for the money with Liebherr backing us. Given the amounts Saints have managed for those three, I would also be very surprised and disappointed if Shaw left for just £4m. It's still a hell of alot of money for a player who hasn't made a professional start. Jordi Alba is only costing Barca £8m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I've seen him several times, reminds me of Mick Mills for his speed & Francis Benali for his skills! I suppose seeing him at Tesco's isn't what you are talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 To a lesser extent, we do the same to other clubs. Didn't we get Shaw from Plymouth? We've at least took a couple of their highly rated players and there is no guarantee that they will all make it with us. If the club can't keep hold of the best young players we have though,then the "dream" of having 50% of the team made up of academy youngsters can go out the window. My opinion would be that we're less at risk right now to losing rising stars than we are when they've actually made it through to the first team and played some games. If Shaw left for Chelsea, as has been said he'd be behind Cashley and Bertrand, who are both highly rated, and he'd have to do fantastically well to get noticed. Now we're in the PL the wages we pay will be decent enough for young players; it'll have to be if NC wants his vision of academy players in the first team to succeed. I'm more worried about losing these types of players when they've played 10, 20, 30 games for the first team. However much he's been watched by the top teams, £4M is a huge amount for a player who is still only 16 and has barely had a sniff of first team football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I would also be very surprised and disappointed if Shaw left for just £4m. Just shows how ridiculous the transfer market is now. £4 million for a kid that's paid 20 minutes of professional football, and that might not even be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 (edited) He will never leave, he'll be one of our champions league team. I hope not, but if he does it'll blow a big hole in the spin. On the other hand if he stays it will give credence to our ambitious spiel. This is just the acid test we need - Are we prepared to use financial clout to fend off competition? Do our players buy into the vision that is so talked about? We'll know soon enough, surely we won't fall down at the first hurdle... Edited 2 July, 2012 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 However much he's been watched by the top teams, £4M is a huge amount for a player who is still only 16 and has barely had a sniff of first team football. Shouldn't you take each case on its own merits? imo he will be worth a great deal more than £4m in the future and is a future England senior international. Yes, it is a risk as he is young and untested, but that doesn't mean he doesn't already hold value based on potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Surely now we are back in the Premier League we have finally got past selling/losing our youth players to the big clubs? Cortese says it a different Southampton today than the one when he took over. Lets hope its true and we tell them where to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Shouldn't you take each case on its own merits? imo he will be worth a great deal more than £4m in the future and is a future England senior international. Yes, it is a risk as he is young and untested, but that doesn't mean he doesn't already hold value based on potential.Where did I say he doesn't hold some value? I said £4M is a huge amount for a player who has barely played first team league football. You could say that loads of young players could be worth more than their value now. He is 16, about to turn 17, so still has a long, long way to go in terms of footballing development. Its a risk, a big one, no matter how many times he's been watched. Not sure why I had to clarify that, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 My opinion would be that we're less at risk right now to losing rising stars than we are when they've actually made it through to the first team and played some games. If Shaw left for Chelsea, as has been said he'd be behind Cashley and Bertrand, who are both highly rated, and he'd have to do fantastically well to get noticed. Now we're in the PL the wages we pay will be decent enough for young players; it'll have to be if NC wants his vision of academy players in the first team to succeed. I'm more worried about losing these types of players when they've played 10, 20, 30 games for the first team. However much he's been watched by the top teams, £4M is a huge amount for a player who is still only 16 and has barely had a sniff of first team football. Yep and there would actually be no shame is accepting 4M for a 16 year old young who has never played for us, it would be a decent return. However, if we really do want these kids to eventually be playing for us, we have to just reject the others. And agree, would be great to see those that are good enough playing 200+ games for us. Will be another test of resolve and commitment to actually turn down big money for young first team players like Bale, Ox etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Luke Shaw is a Chelsea fan, which doesn't help matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Yep and there would actually be no shame is accepting 4M for a 16 year old young who has never played for us, it would be a decent return. However, if we really do want these kids to eventually be playing for us, we have to just reject the others. And agree, would be great to see those that are good enough playing 200+ games for us. Will be another test of resolve and commitment to actually turn down big money for young first team players like Bale, Ox etc. With our financial state right now its a hell of a lot easier to turn down bids of £4M that it would have been before. Even £5M or £6M, while being a great financial return, would send out a terrible message were we to sell Luke Shaw for that. The real test IMO comes if/when he establishes himself in the side and the likes of Chelsea etc come calling with bids around the level we sold AOC for, and the player has the potential to go straight into their first team/squad. Shaw wouldn't have that right now or for potentially quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Luke Shaw is a Chelsea fan, which doesn't help matters. get the excuses in early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 get the excuses in early. Do you not think that would play a role? Hopefully it doesn't, but a 16 year old sounded out in the national press by the club he supports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Do you not think that would play a role? Hopefully it doesn't, but a 16 year old sounded out in the national press by the club he supports... Surely the vision of Cortese would enough stop any player wanting to leave, just like it has every player clamouring to join us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 No way will we sell him, 4m is **** when the guy could be worth 20m in a couple of years time. Hes part of our vision for champions league so Cortese will have to fork out 8m+ to get a decent replacement that's British and special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Surely the vision of Cortese would enough stop any player wanting to leave, just like it has every player clamouring to join us. I see how some are wanting to swing this thread into the normal direction. As I said earlier... "I imagine Cortese and Adkins will work very hard to keep him, as retaining such players is core to their overall plan for the future. This will tell us a lot if he stays or goes this summer with the big clubs using the media to kick off a transfer battle. Situation is now different from when Bale, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain left as we now can offer top flight football." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I'd be worried if the club start selling our hottest prospects before they've completed 90 minutes for the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 I see how some are wanting to swing this thread into the normal direction. As I said earlier... "I imagine Cortese and Adkins will work very hard to keep him, as retaining such players is core to their overall plan for the future. This will tell us a lot if he stays or goes this summer with the big clubs using the media to kick off a transfer battle. Situation is now different from when Bale, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain left as we now can offer top flight football." Every thread I've looked at lately takes that route it seems. A shame but it seems nothing can be done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Every thread I've looked at lately takes that route it seems. A shame but it seems nothing can be done about it. I would suggest that MLG is as much to blame as anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Presumably at his age we face losing him to a tribunal fee if he chooses to walk, and that wouldn't pay anywhere near £4m? Tricky one if he wanted to go; in an ideal world the club would get him on the contract that's needed to keep him here, and give him the ownership of the vision so that he wants to stay. Unfortunately (?) he has the sort of talent that only the very top clubs can afford so any 'offer' will be attractive and we will have to pay the going rate to keep him; I'm sure NC and NA are well aware of this and I've every confidence in them to do the right thing. If the player chooses to go then on past performance we would get top-dollar, use it to buy an established PL LB with several seasons remaining on the clock, and move on. Nothing in this scenario to say we are a 'selling club' - that would only apply if we took the 4m and forced him out, I think that's extremely unlikely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2012 Share Posted 2 July, 2012 Presumably at his age we face losing him to a tribunal fee if he chooses to walk, and that wouldn't pay anywhere near £4m? He has signed a professional contract. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2228492,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 July, 2012 Share Posted 3 July, 2012 I think we would consider £4m a derisory offer IF it had been received. The lad is clearly highly rated and the cream of our Academy so he's not going to be let go without an "eye popping" offer I would imagine. The time has come for the club to show that it can walk the walk when it comes to keeping our best youth players, however if a player wants to go to another club, there's little that can be done. There needs to be FA enforcement of contractual conditions that keeps Academy players at their parent club until at least their 21st birthday. This will put paid to the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea hiving away young players AND will be the start of a plan to rejevenate English football in general. Will it happen? I doubt it - noses in the trough and all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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