norwaysaint Posted 5 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2012 My view on it.. Parents, exercise and cheap food/booze. Parents probably dish up too much food to start with. Not enough exercise.. Not much more to say there. Cheap fast food. Can't blame crisps too much. We give our 5 year old a pack lunch for school consisting of a sandwich, apple, a small container with about a 3rd of a 20g packet of a crisps and a squeezy yogurt. Yet there are some kids in his class already overweight at 5 years old! What hope do they have? I also believe that excess alcohol doesn't help.. Not that i'm tea total (I get free beer thanks to my wife's work) but the number of people I knew back in the day that doubles in size with the amount of boozing they did. Some overweight people I see seem not to worry about drinking 2 ltrs of coke a day yet munch on salads etc. It's just going to get worse until we all look like the people in the film Wall-E Serious question, why do you give your children crisps for lunch? What purpose do they serve in the lunch box? Don't you think your kids will grow up thinking crisps are a valid food item, when they really aren't? Anyway, a lot of people have asked why the focus on crisps and that wasn't really the point of the thread. I was just saying that after having lived in other countries for a few years, you really notice just how many people in the UK walk around eating crisps all the time compared to other countries and how common it is to see small kids saying they're hungry and the parent giving them crisps instead of proper food. I wondered how people thought about this and to be fair I've been given a pretty good cross section of people who find it pretty shameful and people who think it's normal because they've always done it. Lots of countries have bad eating habits, here people eat too many frozen pizzas and hot dogs, crisps is probably the most widely visible example over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Everywhere you go you see 'meal deal' which is a can of Coke, a bar of chocolate and a bag of crisps. How can that be a meal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 I'm lying in Southampton General waiting for a date next week for a coronary bypass operation. Had a 'small' heart attack Tuesday morning and was brought in thinking it might be indigestion but blood tests showed otherwise. Angiogram yesterday showed all three coronary arteries almost blocked in several places do a bypass is the only realistic long-term solution. I've never smoked but I had got overweight and not eaten particularly sensibly and diabetes had set in. Used to get home and have dinner too late, worked too much in the evenings so please all of you, eat sensibly, sort out your lifestyles and don't think it won't happen to you. I'll let you know how the operation goes. If anyone has been through it I'd be interested on your comments. Best of luck Whitey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Everywhere you go you see 'meal deal' which is a can of Coke, a bar of chocolate and a bag of crisps. How can that be a meal? It's all about choices WG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Serious question, why do you give your children crisps for lunch? What purpose do they serve in the lunch box? Don't you think your kids will grow up thinking crisps are a valid food item, when they really aren't? Anyway, a lot of people have asked why the focus on crisps and that wasn't really the point of the thread. I was just saying that after having lived in other countries for a few years, you really notice just how many people in the UK walk around eating crisps all the time compared to other countries and how common it is to see small kids saying they're hungry and the parent giving them crisps instead of proper food. I wondered how people thought about this and to be fair I've been given a pretty good cross section of people who find it pretty shameful and people who think it's normal because they've always done it. Lots of countries have bad eating habits, here people eat too many frozen pizzas and hot dogs, crisps is probably the most widely visible example over there. You're wrong. Crisps in moderation will do little or no harm. Teaching moderation is the skill to be aimed for otherwise food will become an issue at either end of the spectrum - neither being healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Everywhere you go you see 'meal deal' which is a can of Coke, a bar of chocolate and a bag of crisps. How can that be a meal? It's not. A meal deal is normally a sandwich, a drink, and EITHER a bar of chocolate OR a bag of crisps. As to why people eat crisps, surely the answer is simple. They taste nice. There are also plenty of other more 'sophisticated' food items which also aren't particularly good for you, but people don't seem to criticise them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Average life expectancy in Sweden 80.9 years, average life expectancy in the UK(including Scotland..) 80.5 years Lets not let facts cloud the emigrants judgement though. Mind you that could be affected by the fact that the suicide rate in Sweden is roughly twice that in the UK. Norway's rate isn't much better btw. (It's about 3 times as high in Finland. Of course Finland and Sweden are Gove's great exemplary models of how English education should be developing, but hey ho...it would keep the unemployment figures down.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 5 July, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2012 You're wrong. Crisps in moderation will do little or no harm. Teaching moderation is the skill to be aimed for otherwise food will become an issue at either end of the spectrum - neither being healthy. Trying to work out which bit of what I posted that you're saying is wrong. I've re-read it and it all seems right and in no way contradictory to what you just posted. Of course moderation is important, but it's not a good idea to give kids the idea that a bar of chocolate or a bag of crisps is as much a valid part of a lunch as things containing protein, minerals and vitamins etc. Why choose to give kids crisps? I'm not saying ban crisps, I'm saying that I think marketing people over the years have succeeded in convincing British people that crisps, essentially party food, are a standard lunch or snack item and nobody challenges this. Growing up in England I also assumed crisps were everyday food, but visiting England after being away from that mindset for a few years, you really notice how British people are with crisps and you notice all of these "sandwich, crisps and fizzy drink" meal deals. I also have to add that prepared fresh fruit is also much easier and more accessible in the UK than here. Very surprised at just how protective and defensive people are about the issue though. They're only crisps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Recently saw 2 blokes ignoring the range of fruit juices and tea/coffee on offer with their hotel cooked breakfast, to drink instead large 'buckets' of coke. Now that's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 I cottoned on to this crisps issue years ago and I won't go near them. No nutritional value at all, a poor addition to your diet whatever your age. I give my kids Skips instead and they've never complained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 I'm lying in Southampton General waiting for a date next week for a coronary bypass operation. Had a 'small' heart attack Tuesday morning and was brought in thinking it might be indigestion but blood tests showed otherwise. Angiogram yesterday showed all three coronary arteries almost blocked in several places do a bypass is the only realistic long-term solution. I've never smoked but I had got overweight and not eaten particularly sensibly and diabetes had set in. Used to get home and have dinner too late, worked too much in the evenings so please all of you, eat sensibly, sort out your lifestyles and don't think it won't happen to you. I'll let you know how the operation goes. If anyone has been through it I'd be interested on your comments. All the best matey. Here's some virtual grapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Serious question, why do you give your children crisps for lunch? What purpose do they serve in the lunch box? Don't you think your kids will grow up thinking crisps are a valid food item, when they really aren't? Anyway, a lot of people have asked why the focus on crisps and that wasn't really the point of the thread. I was just saying that after having lived in other countries for a few years, you really notice just how many people in the UK walk around eating crisps all the time compared to other countries and how common it is to see small kids saying they're hungry and the parent giving them crisps instead of proper food. I wondered how people thought about this and to be fair I've been given a pretty good cross section of people who find it pretty shameful and people who think it's normal because they've always done it. Lots of countries have bad eating habits, here people eat too many frozen pizzas and hot dogs, crisps is probably the most widely visible example over there. Why crisps? Well growing up my parents used to give me crisps instead of sweets as back in the 70s/80s sweets was bad for you. Crisps these days are supposedly healthier now than back then (plus to be fair you dont get that many in the packet these days). Remember I said my son was 5, he doesnt eat much at the best of times so giving him less than a child size handful does no harm what so ever. Like has been stated before... its all about moderation. Its a snack. Forgot to say that he also has carrot sticks sometimes but even too many carrots can make you slightly orange.... oh wait thats too much fake tan or tango. On another note - Best of luck Whitey, my granddad had a triple heart bypass about 6 years ago in his 70s... fighting fit now and going on strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 I'm lying in Southampton General waiting for a date next week for a coronary bypass operation. Had a 'small' heart attack Tuesday morning and was brought in thinking it might be indigestion but blood tests showed otherwise. Angiogram yesterday showed all three coronary arteries almost blocked in several places do a bypass is the only realistic long-term solution. I've never smoked but I had got overweight and not eaten particularly sensibly and diabetes had set in. Used to get home and have dinner too late, worked too much in the evenings so please all of you, eat sensibly, sort out your lifestyles and don't think it won't happen to you. I'll let you know how the operation goes. If anyone has been through it I'd be interested on your comments. I'm sorry to hear this, and wish you all the best for your operation. Food for thought definitely (pun not intended). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Also I've picked up a multibag of Hale n Hearty Cassava Crisps at tesco during the week for a snack at work (after my salads of course...honestly!). As these are supposed to be healthier than Crisps. I found out they are based on a South America snack which derives from Tapioca. Its a major source of carbohydrates but a poor source of protein (sound familiar?) and by all accounts the Cassava root plant itself contains anti-nutrition factors and toxins according to Wikipedia. Think I'll stick to nuts... oh people can choke on nuts. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Mind you that could be affected by the fact that the suicide rate in Sweden is roughly twice that in the UK. They top themselves because they dont eat crisps. FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Thanks for all your best wishes. The grapes were delicious. Well, compared with hospital food they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 2 of my grandchildren (girl 8 and boy 5) live in Belgium ! They have a nicely balanced diet and hardly ever eat junk food (inc crisps!). In my view they are slightly smaller than average but perfectly formed, so guess what ? At their recent (separate) school medical checks, both were classed as 'underweight, needing attention' ! Maybe we should encourage them to stuff their faces full of hamburgers just to make the stats look good, eh ?? Rant over.. All the best Whitey, hope it all goes well !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 I'm lying in Southampton General waiting for a date next week for a coronary bypass operation. Had a 'small' heart attack Tuesday morning and was brought in thinking it might be indigestion but blood tests showed otherwise. Angiogram yesterday showed all three coronary arteries almost blocked in several places do a bypass is the only realistic long-term solution. I've never smoked but I had got overweight and not eaten particularly sensibly and diabetes had set in. Used to get home and have dinner too late, worked too much in the evenings so please all of you, eat sensibly, sort out your lifestyles and don't think it won't happen to you. I'll let you know how the operation goes. If anyone has been through it I'd be interested on your comments. All the best Whitley. When I started working 20 years ago my landlord back then had one and he's still going strong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 All the best for next week Whitey My boss had a quadruple in March this year, when he was spoken too by the surgeon after he was told he was so bad he had less than 24 hrs before he would have died. He was /is still very over weight and has only just started eating better stuff. However he was back at work after just 8 weeks and is so so much better. He still has some pain and has to be careful what he does physically but you would never know what he had had done just by looking at him. Another employee dislocated an elbow over 3 months ago and is still off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 2 of my grandchildren (girl 8 and boy 5) live in Belgium ! They have a nicely balanced diet and hardly ever eat junk food (inc crisps!). In my view they are slightly smaller than average but perfectly formed, so guess what ? At their recent (separate) school medical checks, both were classed as 'underweight, needing attention' ! Maybe we should encourage them to stuff their faces full of hamburgers just to make the stats look good, eh ?? Rant over.. All the best Whitey, hope it all goes well !! We had a football tournament in France recently in a small village - near the hotel where we stayed, McDonalds, Subway, KFC, 2 other fast food restaurants so its not just the UK but Europe as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 (edited) I'm lying in Southampton General waiting for a date next week for a coronary bypass operation. Had a 'small' heart attack Tuesday morning and was brought in thinking it might be indigestion but blood tests showed otherwise. Angiogram yesterday showed all three coronary arteries almost blocked in several places do a bypass is the only realistic long-term solution. I've never smoked but I had got overweight and not eaten particularly sensibly and diabetes had set in. Used to get home and have dinner too late, worked too much in the evenings so please all of you, eat sensibly, sort out your lifestyles and don't think it won't happen to you. I'll let you know how the operation goes. If anyone has been through it I'd be interested on your comments. \ Jeez & you were a skinny bugger compared to many I see these days. Good luck with everything, thoughts with you. On topic. Yes I've noticed this in the past week, after 4 years working from home on a project we now have a factory in an Industrial zone here. It's 30 miles out in the desert so the only lunch option is a Food Court. So Subway - I'd say 98% of the people there had Sarnies STUFFED with the wrong things, a pack of chips and a DIET coke (see Dune's post) The KFC I'd say 95% "Upsized" Charlies Subs - ONLY sell "foot long" subs with Chips as they are called here. Daft thing was Subways charge 1.10 quid for the "meal deal", the Gas station next door pack of chips and a can of pepsi - 80 pence. Obesity? When I came here the town was full of the Fittest chicks I had ever seen (Emirates Aircrew) heck they were also the only women in town. In the past 8 years that has changed with the City growing. So much so that Tuesday we had UK visitors in town & took them to (the legendary home of The BullFrog) Rock Bottom. I'd say 75% of the girls were "lumpy in the wrong places". I told the visitors that the BEST chat up line was "There is a Dunkin Donuts on the way back to my place" It was meant as a joke. 2 out of the 3 visitors tried it. Sadly it worked. Edited 5 July, 2012 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Another in the Crisps line. I kinda got addicted to Kettle Chips while working from home (yeah I put on about 12kg in 4 years & reduced that by 6Kg before my daughters wedding) I loved the Black Pepper & Sea Salt. Sod the dietary issues. I CRACKED two TEETH on them, one was rescued - cost me about 300 quid, the other had to be extracted and cost me around 500 quid because the root passed too close to my Sinus for it to be done outside a hospital I ain't had any for almost a year. You can teach an old dog new tricks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Do you miss them? ...and thanks all for the best wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 5 July, 2012 Share Posted 5 July, 2012 Do you miss them? ...and thanks all for the best wishes. Like you wouldn't believe! Get well soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 6 July, 2012 Share Posted 6 July, 2012 Average life expectancy in Sweden 80.9 years, average life expectancy in the UK(including Scotland..) 80.5 years Lets not let facts cloud the emigrants judgement though. I'm sure the statistics are true. But thats the past. You wait and see how those averages change in the future. My point was the increasing number of porkys in the country and general unhealthyness of so many. Shamefully the kids are following the trend. All the best Mr.Whitey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 6 July, 2012 Share Posted 6 July, 2012 Recently saw 2 blokes ignoring the range of fruit juices and tea/coffee on offer with their hotel cooked breakfast, to drink instead large 'buckets' of coke. Now that's weird. True, but it will be the crisps that will kill them! I love crisps and don't like coke, simple. If it was dark all day I might committ suicide and think just as I'm doing it that I fancy a packet of crisps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 6 July, 2012 Share Posted 6 July, 2012 What's the state of school dinners over there? I know Jamie Oliver has done some good campaigning highlighting the issue, he tried over here too. Fat lot of good that did. Here in Tubbyland, school meals are an absolute disgrace consisting of processed ****e with no nutritional value, yet most kids are permitted to eat it (not mine). Nothing is cooked on-site. This is where it begins. Get them into healthy habits young, should give them a better chance later on. Hey...ho. That said, I will be overdoing it on crispy snacks when I'm back over in August. But that's just a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 7 July, 2012 Share Posted 7 July, 2012 Thanks for all your best wishes. The grapes were delicious. Well, compared with hospital food they were. Yes, can I add my good wishes Whitey. I enjoy your comments on here so don't go and pop your clogs on us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 Just had a lovely bag of Tyrells Ham and Cranberry with my sandwich. Highly recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 Just had a lovely bag of Tyrells Ham and Cranberry with my sandwich. Highly recommended. As are the Sweet Chilli and the Crinkly Veg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 (edited) I'm sure the statistics are true. But thats the past. You wait and see how those averages change in the future. My point was the increasing number of porkys in the country and general unhealthyness of so many. Shamefully the kids are following the trend. In the last 10 years in Sweden the average life expectancy has increased by a shade over 2 years for men and 1.5 years for women. In 2010, the average life expectancy for men and women in the UK increased by 4 months. Even with an adjustment it's fairly clear which way the stats are heading.. Still, lets not let facts cloud your observation. Edited 10 July, 2012 by notnowcato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 In the last 10 years in Sweden the average life expectancy has increased by a shade over 2 years for men and 1.5 years for women. In 2010, the average life expectancy for men and women in the UK increased by 4 months. Even with an adjustment it's fairly clear which way the stats are heading.. Still, lets not let facts cloud your observation. But from what and to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 I still dont really understand the problem with crisps. I mean, I know they are loaded with fat and salt, but surely nobody scoffs enough of them to make any difference? I just had a look at a pack of quavers, which is my preferred accompaniment to the lunchtime ham sarnie, the fat content is just shy of 5 grams and theres 0.36 grams of salt in it. Now I'm not about to weigh a knife and then reweigh it with the butter that goes on my sandwich, but there must be more than 5 grams there. And I probably cook most meals with more salt than there is in a packet of quavers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 I still dont really understand the problem with crisps. I mean, I know they are loaded with fat and salt, but surely nobody scoffs enough of them to make any difference? I just had a look at a pack of quavers, which is my preferred accompaniment to the lunchtime ham sarnie, the fat content is just shy of 5 grams and theres 0.36 grams of salt in it. Now I'm not about to weigh a knife and then reweigh it with the butter that goes on my sandwich, but there must be more than 5 grams there. And I probably cook most meals with more salt than there is in a packet of quavers. Continue on in this reckless manner and you'll be dead by midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 It's the quantity that matters. Little and often is my motto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 I eat a **** load of crisps, at least a packet a day, sometimes more, but the rest of the food I eat is pretty healthy. and I walk alot, and exercise occasionally and I'm not overweight by a long way. u can't blame it in crisps, it's all the other **** ppl eat, like those ready meals. I looked at one from waitrose a while back at 400g of lasagne had the equivalent to a woman's daily allowance of saturated fats. we can't all live off tins of rancid fish :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 There's also the salt to think of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 I had a pack of monster munch today Was really nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 Just checked out the obesity league....were third , behind the Yanks (surprise) and Mexico. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity Good to see the ausies are catching us upp. Reckon the Greeks will drop a few positions now theyre on rasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted 10 July, 2012 Share Posted 10 July, 2012 A man can not live on raisins alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Just checked out the obesity league....were third , behind the Yanks (surprise) and Mexico. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity Good to see the ausies are catching us upp. Reckon the Greeks will drop a few positions now theyre on rasions. The problem with the "obesity league" is that the stats are taken from different sources. Stats from the US and UK are taken from official medical records, whereas stats from other nations are taken from respondants to a poll... "Are you obese?" "No." "Ok then, well done you." The obesity league also uses the BMI rating which could be argued to be flawed and may explain why the "stockier" Mexicans show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I had a pack of monster munch today Was really nice Roast Beef or Pickled Onion? Flavour of Monster Munch is a real divider in my household. For the record, I'm firmly in the Roast Beef camp. I flirted with the Flamin' Hot for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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