Alexander Büttner

[SuperSAINT]

He'll sign this week.

 

I hope your info is better than this snippet from you...

 

Adkins made a point about targetting Clyne when attacking the Palace defence in his post match interview so I doubt we will be signing him.

 

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

So still all silent on the Buttner front then beyond a couple of brief posts here. I do wonder if something is happening because it's all gone quiet again and that's the way we work plus no-one else has been confirmed as being close to a deal. He's also quite clearly no longer required at Vitesse.

[VectisSaint]

Its only gone quiet today, was being talked about again yesterday, with his agent saying he expects the deal to go through now that the 3rd party issues have been resolved.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Its only gone quiet today, was being talked about again yesterday, with his agent saying he expects the deal to go through now that the 3rd party issues have been resolved.

 

Yesterday? Where was that reported?

[Badger]

Yesterday? Where was that reported?

 

I saw that on BBC text earlier this evening,although article now disappeared. It was however P3&4 from another article so possibly it was just a lurking feature from an earlier piece.

[VectisSaint]

Yesterday? Where was that reported?

 

Yesterday it was on the Beeb football gossip column which is taken from the newspapers of the day. I don't recall which rag was the source, but it seems the story still has legs, at least the agent is hoping.

[yateleysaint]

That Beeb text article has been hanging around for about two weeks.

 

Maybe they know something we don't.

[SaintRichmond]

That Beeb text article has been hanging around for about two weeks.

 

Maybe they know something we don't.

 

 

Or maybe the bloke that deletes the text is ill

[Golden Balls]

Whats the longest drawn out transfer we've had that actually signed. I can only think of Skacel, this one must be getting close

[SaintRichmond]

Whats the longest drawn out transfer we've had that actually signed. I can only think of Skacel, this one must be getting close

 

Who ??? Please refresh my memory

[Saints67]

Thu 2 Aug 2012 - Europa Lge qualifying Anzhi Makhachkala v Vitesse Arnhem 16:00

Wonder if he's been named in their squad for this?

[Saints67]

Thu 2 Aug 2012 - Europa Lge qualifying Anzhi Makhachkala v Vitesse Arnhem 16:00

Wonder if he's been named in their squad for this?

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

He seems to have disappeared completely. Probably a speedbump now, for crossing the Don IMO.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

He seems to have disappeared completely. Probably a speedbump now, for crossing the Don IMO.

[Saints67]

Phew don't have to quote myself. Just looked on Vitesse Arnhems website to see if he was listed and the short answer is no. The longer answer is this (though some of their squad names sound made-up eg. Davy Pröpper!): -

Vitesse Wednesday with 21 players traveling to Russia for the Champions League encounter with FC Anzhi Makhachkala, on Thursday at 17.00 Dutch time is played in the stadium of FK Saturn (30 km outside of Moscow).

 

The selection for the game against FC Anzhi:

 

• Piet Velthuizen

• Eloy Room

• Sebastiaan van der Sman

• Frank van der Struijk

• Michihiro Yasuda

• Guram Kashia

• Patrick Aanholt

• Jan-Arie van der Heijden

• Marco van Ginkel

• Davy Pröpper

• Valeri Qazaishvili

• Nicky Court

• Bony Wilfried

• Giorgi Chan Turia

• Jonathan Reis

• Mike Havenaar

• Renato Ibarra

• Just Berends

• Check Wimilio

• Anderson Santos, Vitoria

• Simon Cziommer

* The selection is subject to change. Tomás Kalas missing in connection with his suspension.

[Saints67]

Phew don't have to quote myself. Just looked on Vitesse Arnhems website to see if he was listed and the short answer is no. The longer answer is this (though some of their squad names sound made-up eg. Davy Pröpper!): -

Vitesse Wednesday with 21 players traveling to Russia for the Champions League encounter with FC Anzhi Makhachkala, on Thursday at 17.00 Dutch time is played in the stadium of FK Saturn (30 km outside of Moscow).

 

The selection for the game against FC Anzhi:

 

• Piet Velthuizen

• Eloy Room

• Sebastiaan van der Sman

• Frank van der Struijk

• Michihiro Yasuda

• Guram Kashia

• Patrick Aanholt

• Jan-Arie van der Heijden

• Marco van Ginkel

• Davy Pröpper

• Valeri Qazaishvili

• Nicky Court

• Bony Wilfried

• Giorgi Chan Turia

• Jonathan Reis

• Mike Havenaar

• Renato Ibarra

• Just Berends

• Check Wimilio

• Anderson Santos, Vitoria

• Simon Cziommer

* The selection is subject to change. Tomás Kalas missing in connection with his suspension.

[St.Patrik]

Google is a good thing sometimes : )

Vitesse will travel to Russia for their Europa League clash with FC Anzhi Makhachkala with 21 players. Tomás Kalas is not in the team due to his suspension.

 

The squad for the FC Anzhi game:

 

•Piet Velthuizen

•Eloy Room

•Sebastiaan van der Sman

•Frank van der Struijk

•Michihiro Yasuda

•Guram Kashia

•Patrick van Aanholt

•Jan-Arie van der Heijden

•Marco van Ginkel

•Davy Pröpper

•Valeri Qazaishvili

•Nicky Hofs

•Wilfried Bony

•Giorgi Chanturia

•Jonathan Reis

•Mike Havenaar

•Renato Ibarra

•Just Berends

•Wimilio Vink

•Anderson Santos dat Vitoria

•Simon Cziommer

[St.Patrik]

Google is a good thing sometimes : )

Vitesse will travel to Russia for their Europa League clash with FC Anzhi Makhachkala with 21 players. Tomás Kalas is not in the team due to his suspension.

 

The squad for the FC Anzhi game:

 

•Piet Velthuizen

•Eloy Room

•Sebastiaan van der Sman

•Frank van der Struijk

•Michihiro Yasuda

•Guram Kashia

•Patrick van Aanholt

•Jan-Arie van der Heijden

•Marco van Ginkel

•Davy Pröpper

•Valeri Qazaishvili

•Nicky Hofs

•Wilfried Bony

•Giorgi Chanturia

•Jonathan Reis

•Mike Havenaar

•Renato Ibarra

•Just Berends

•Wimilio Vink

•Anderson Santos dat Vitoria

•Simon Cziommer

[itchen_dan]

He wont be in the squad as according to this article published this morning, he has lost contact with Vitesse and they arent looking to use him at all but his agent says that he will try and get him back in the squad.

 

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Büttner wants to be reconciled with Vitesse

 

The promise to the team restored Alexander Büttner is open to a reconciliation attempt with Sprint, so that an arbitration case at the last possible moment can be prevented. "We have already lost contact with Vitesse had," says Alexander Bursac, the agent of Büttner against AD Sportwereld. "But talk is always possible."

For the arbitration demands Büttner re-admitted to the training of the first team. Since the defender at the last minute transfer to Southampton, England saw ricochet, he should daily report to Young Vitesse. A sporty reason for this downgrading is not given, according to the back.

 

Perhaps more important Büttner for the Vitesse to know how high transfer fee should be, since he still preys on departure. That Vitesse initially with Southampton agreed on a transfer amount of over four million is an indication, but Büttner will hear an exact amount. According to agent Bursac there are plenty of foreign clubs who want to buy Büttner.

 

The piece basically confirms that we agreed a fee of over 4 million but he has been reporting to the Vitesse youth team each day for training.

 

Seems Benali-Shorts may have been posting wrong information as according to this, the deal seems dead.

[itchen_dan]

He wont be in the squad as according to this article published this morning, he has lost contact with Vitesse and they arent looking to use him at all but his agent says that he will try and get him back in the squad.

 

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Büttner wants to be reconciled with Vitesse

 

The promise to the team restored Alexander Büttner is open to a reconciliation attempt with Sprint, so that an arbitration case at the last possible moment can be prevented. "We have already lost contact with Vitesse had," says Alexander Bursac, the agent of Büttner against AD Sportwereld. "But talk is always possible."

For the arbitration demands Büttner re-admitted to the training of the first team. Since the defender at the last minute transfer to Southampton, England saw ricochet, he should daily report to Young Vitesse. A sporty reason for this downgrading is not given, according to the back.

 

Perhaps more important Büttner for the Vitesse to know how high transfer fee should be, since he still preys on departure. That Vitesse initially with Southampton agreed on a transfer amount of over four million is an indication, but Büttner will hear an exact amount. According to agent Bursac there are plenty of foreign clubs who want to buy Büttner.

 

The piece basically confirms that we agreed a fee of over 4 million but he has been reporting to the Vitesse youth team each day for training.

 

Seems Benali-Shorts may have been posting wrong information as according to this, the deal seems dead.

[SuperSAINT]

the deal seems dead.

 

As dead as the the 3rd party who crossed Don Nicola.

[SuperSAINT]

the deal seems dead.

 

As dead as the the 3rd party who crossed Don Nicola.

[Clifford Nelson]

Anybody who is trying to include new demands after a deal is done, whether with us or the other club, is struggling with business ethic and therefore general honesty. That means tha whatever happened to Vitesse this time will happen to us in the future. The same thing happened to the CH we were about to sign last year. They were dishonest and overplayed their hand. We don't want that here, and it is clear as daylight that it is NC's opinion. This thread can be closed, because Butner will never play for Saints.

[Clifford Nelson]

Anybody who is trying to include new demands after a deal is done, whether with us or the other club, is struggling with business ethic and therefore general honesty. That means tha whatever happened to Vitesse this time will happen to us in the future. The same thing happened to the CH we were about to sign last year. They were dishonest and overplayed their hand. We don't want that here, and it is clear as daylight that it is NC's opinion. This thread can be closed, because Butner will never play for Saints.

[benali-shorts]

He wont be in the squad as according to this article published this morning, he has lost contact with Vitesse and they arent looking to use him at all but his agent says that he will try and get him back in the squad.

 

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The piece basically confirms that we agreed a fee of over 4 million but he has been reporting to the Vitesse youth team each day for training.

 

Seems Benali-Shorts may have been posting wrong information as according to this, the deal seems dead.

 

Just to clarify what I hear and from whom - I met with one of Ted van Leeuwen's colleagues on Friday (coincidental meeting, and not related to football): Vitesse's attitude is that they have done a deal with Saints and that Buttner is duty-bound to proceed with this. The additional payments that are required mean the deal is in limbo until one of the parties (Saints; Vitesse; Buttner) compromise. Buttner currently training on his own and not permitted to negotiate elsewhere. On Friday, Vitesse were informed that a compromise had been reached over the other party and they assumed that the deal would therefore proceed. I said at the time I couldn't comment as to when Saints would conclude. Just to clarify, Saints had (as of Friday) actively not withdrawn the offer, i.e. Vitesse still not discussing with any other party. Sounded like Vitesse and Saints had agreed to leave Buttner in limbo to force the deal through. Bit of a weird one all round. Doubt I'll see the guy from Vitesse again, so alas no more updates. Apologies for jumping the gun on assuming it would complete quickly, but as of Friday, Saints definitely still had the offer agreed with Vitesse and hadn't withdrawn from the deal.

[Saint Charlie]

Just to clarify what I hear and from whom - I met with one of Ted van Leeuwen's colleagues on Friday (coincidental meeting, and not related to football): Vitesse's attitude is that they have done a deal with Saints and that Buttner is duty-bound to proceed with this. The additional payments that are required mean the deal is in limbo until one of the parties (Saints; Vitesse; Buttner) compromise. Buttner currently training on his own and not permitted to negotiate elsewhere. On Friday, Vitesse were informed that a compromise had been reached over the other party and they assumed that the deal would therefore proceed. I said at the time I couldn't comment as to when Saints would conclude. Just to clarify, Saints had (as of Friday) actively not withdrawn the offer, i.e. Vitesse still not discussing with any other party. Sounded like Vitesse and Saints had agreed to leave Buttner in limbo to force the deal through. Bit of a weird one all round. Doubt I'll see the guy from Vitesse again, so alas no more updates. Apologies for jumping the gun on assuming it would complete quickly, but as of Friday, Saints definitely still had the offer agreed with Vitesse and hadn't withdrawn from the deal.

 

 

Thanks - seems plausible and ties in with other updates. Guess we will wait and see, the lad has made quite a mess of this!

Edited 1 August, 2012 by Saint Charlie

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Just to clarify what I hear and from whom - I met with one of Ted van Leeuwen's colleagues on Friday (coincidental meeting, and not related to football): Vitesse's attitude is that they have done a deal with Saints and that Buttner is duty-bound to proceed with this. The additional payments that are required mean the deal is in limbo until one of the parties (Saints; Vitesse; Buttner) compromise. Buttner currently training on his own and not permitted to negotiate elsewhere. On Friday, Vitesse were informed that a compromise had been reached over the other party and they assumed that the deal would therefore proceed. I said at the time I couldn't comment as to when Saints would conclude. Just to clarify, Saints had (as of Friday) actively not withdrawn the offer, i.e. Vitesse still not discussing with any other party. Sounded like Vitesse and Saints had agreed to leave Buttner in limbo to force the deal through. Bit of a weird one all round. Doubt I'll see the guy from Vitesse again, so alas no more updates. Apologies for jumping the gun on assuming it would complete quickly, but as of Friday, Saints definitely still had the offer agreed with Vitesse and hadn't withdrawn from the deal.

 

All makes sense to me - thanks for sharing it with us.

[SuperSAINT]

Just to clarify what I hear and from whom - I met with one of Ted van Leeuwen's colleagues on Friday (coincidental meeting, and not related to football): Vitesse's attitude is that they have done a deal with Saints and that Buttner is duty-bound to proceed with this. The additional payments that are required mean the deal is in limbo until one of the parties (Saints; Vitesse; Buttner) compromise. Buttner currently training on his own and not permitted to negotiate elsewhere. On Friday, Vitesse were informed that a compromise had been reached over the other party and they assumed that the deal would therefore proceed. I said at the time I couldn't comment as to when Saints would conclude. Just to clarify, Saints had (as of Friday) actively not withdrawn the offer, i.e. Vitesse still not discussing with any other party. Sounded like Vitesse and Saints had agreed to leave Buttner in limbo to force the deal through. Bit of a weird one all round. Doubt I'll see the guy from Vitesse again, so alas no more updates. Apologies for jumping the gun on assuming it would complete quickly, but as of Friday, Saints definitely still had the offer agreed with Vitesse and hadn't withdrawn from the deal.

 

Cheers.

[Wade Garrett]

It sounds to me like he's mucking us about. With the season so close, give him a deadline of close of play tomorrow or the deal is dead and we look elsewhere.

[SNSUN]

I guess it's off, but did Buttner play for Vitesse tonight?

[MOSaint]

No, wasn't even on the bench. Seems to have managed to freeze himself out at Vitesse in addition to scuppering the deal to come here

[Saint J 77]

Just to clarify what I hear and from whom - I met with one of Ted van Leeuwen's colleagues on Friday (coincidental meeting, and not related to football): Vitesse's attitude is that they have done a deal with Saints and that Buttner is duty-bound to proceed with this. The additional payments that are required mean the deal is in limbo until one of the parties (Saints; Vitesse; Buttner) compromise. Buttner currently training on his own and not permitted to negotiate elsewhere. On Friday, Vitesse were informed that a compromise had been reached over the other party and they assumed that the deal would therefore proceed. I said at the time I couldn't comment as to when Saints would conclude. Just to clarify, Saints had (as of Friday) actively not withdrawn the offer, i.e. Vitesse still not discussing with any other party. Sounded like Vitesse and Saints had agreed to leave Buttner in limbo to force the deal through. Bit of a weird one all round. Doubt I'll see the guy from Vitesse again, so alas no more updates. Apologies for jumping the gun on assuming it would complete quickly, but as of Friday, Saints definitely still had the offer agreed with Vitesse and hadn't withdrawn from the deal.

 

If Buttner is the person holding up the deal, playing us about, so to speak. Surely he doesn't fit are player profiling system?

[SNSUN]

If Buttner is the person holding up the deal, playing us about, so to speak. Surely he doesn't fit are player profiling system?

 

That may be why we've pulled out of it. Fulham are welcome to him, if so.

[RinNY]

If Buttner is the person holding up the deal, playing us about, so to speak. Surely he doesn't fit are player profiling system?

 

My impression has always been that it's the agent who's the problem: this Bursac guy in everything I've read him say comes across as a bit of a "tool". The deal was essentially all agreed untiul a "third party" intervened demanding payment. That sounds like an agent wanting a cut, surely? Vitesse don't want to give up part of the agreed transfer sum (ca. 4 million Euros, reportedly), and Saints don't want to pay extra over and above the agreed sum. And there it seems to rest: the agent isn't letting the deal happen unless one of the two clubs agrees to pay him. Just my guess based on all I've read ...

[MarkSFC]

My impression has always been that it's the agent who's the problem: this Bursac guy in everything I've read him say comes across as a bit of a "tool". The deal was essentially all agreed untiul a "third party" intervened demanding payment. That sounds like an agent wanting a cut, surely? Vitesse don't want to give up part of the agreed transfer sum (ca. 4 million Euros, reportedly), and Saints don't want to pay extra over and above the agreed sum. And there it seems to rest: the agent isn't letting the deal happen unless one of the two clubs agrees to pay him. Just my guess based on all I've read ...

That definitely appears to be the likely scenario reading everything but if it is then its really down to the player to now sort has life out!

[doggface]

Was watching a goals of the season show here yesterday and buttner scored a screamer, not seen it before or on you tube. Impressive left peg.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

If this ruthless 'hardball' game we are supposedly playing with Buttner and/or his agent is true (I see no actual evidence that it is) then, even if we do eventually sign him, what frame of mind is he going to be in when he arrives here anyway ? It's hardly an ideal situation for a player to turn up here already disgruntled because he may think - rightly or wrongly - that our intransigence has cost him money.

 

Too much aggravation around this transfer for my likes, but if we do still want him then we may have to pay off this mysterious 3rd party/agent, or move on to the next target.

 

In any case the calender shows that the start of the season is just matter of weeks away .... tick tock.

[Norm]

Time to move on to other targets. This is too messy, I feel.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Either sign today, tomorrow, sunday or Monday or get lost imho

[Tokyo-Saint]

Either sign today, tomorrow, sunday or Monday or get lost imho

 

Is Tuesday a definate no for you then?

[Turkish]

Either sign today, tomorrow, sunday or Monday or get lost imho

 

I thought you were locking this thread if he hadn't signed by last weekend?

[Thedelldays]

I thought you were locking this thread if he hadn't signed by last weekend?

 

Glasgow saint has become a mod of the people. Aiming to please rather than do his duty

[Turkish]

Glasgow saint has become a mod of the people. Aiming to please rather than do his duty

 

He's sold out. Not like Chalet and St Clark who do their duty with diligence and pride.

[batterseasaint]

It sounds about right that the clubs are playing a bit of hard-ball because it seems they both agree that neither should be picking up the tab for whoever this third party is. So then it is down to the player to sort that little problem out, but I would imagine that Saints are showing a little bit of patience towards the player because if the player is contractually obliged to ensure this third party is paid his whack, it won't be just a case of the player 'sorting his life out'. I'm sure its a little more complex than that.

 

I actually still feel like Buttner will become a Saints player, on the basis that Vitesse clearly don't believe he is their player anymore and are planning for life without him. They wouldn't just 'write-off' the value of a Dutch international just like that. If the deal had fallen through, they would be protecting his value by ensuring he is training properly and if necessary, be ready for him to continue as a Vitesse player next season.

 

I also don't think Saints would necessarily see all this hassle as meaning that the player 'doesn't fit our profiling system'. Complex agent agreements are part and parcel of football (whether we like it or not) and sometimes they are difficult to negotiate out of. As long as communication between the club and the player are cordial and clear, and everyone understands what is going on, I don't see any reason why Nic shouldn't show patience with the player while he sorts out a difficult situation.

[Saint Charlie]

Forget him: Dutch article today says he is going to some sort of Arbitration to sort out his situation with Vitesse who apparantly are now asking for 5-6m euros for him. There are German and French teams interested at 2m.

 

In the whole article there is one mention of Saints - saying that he near moved here but it fell apart.

[Dr. Kucho]

Another short Buttner update.

 

Buttner,s agent Aleksander Bursac has said in a interview with local paper De Gelderlander that they are trying to have Buttner,s contract with Vitesse terminated. Rumours are that the third party is Buttner,s dad who wants a percentage of the transfer fee for guiding him in times (this was not in Buttner,s contract).

 

I think even if he does get his contract terminated (highly unlikely) we wont sign him. The damage has been done and I cannot imagine the club wanting to deal with someone who is causing such a scene at his current club.

[Saint_clark]

Another short Buttner update.

 

Buttner,s agent Aleksander Bursac has said in a interview with local paper De Gelderlander that they are trying to have Buttner,s contract with Vitesse terminated. Rumours are that the third party is Buttner,s dad who wants a percentage of the transfer fee for guiding him in times (this was not in Buttner,s contract).

 

I think even if he does get his contract terminated (highly unlikely) we wont sign him. The damage has been done and I cannot imagine the club wanting to deal with someone who is causing such a scene at his current club.

 

Can't see that being true. If there was nothing contracted then the exchange would simply be;

Buttners Dad - "I want a percentage of the transfer fee".

Southampton and Vitesse - "No".

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Can't see that being true. If there was nothing contracted then the exchange would simply be;

Buttners Dad - "I want a percentage of the transfer fee".

Southampton and Vitesse - "No".

 

Agreed; I'm sure Vitesse said something about Buttner signing an 'agreement' (presumably with his dad) after he joined Vitesse, which his dad says is valid, but which neither Vitesse nor Saints are willing to honour - quite rightly - as it occurred after he signed up. Silly lad, if so, as he's made himself untransferrable as who would just lump over some cash to his dad for no good reason?

[Fan The Flames]

Can't see that being true. If there was nothing contracted then the exchange would simply be;

Buttners Dad - "I want a percentage of the transfer fee".

Southampton and Vitesse - "No".

 

Buttner -"OK I won't be moving then"

[SaintNeil90]

Shows the lack of transfer talk when this guy is still being talked about weeks after it was dead in the water.