Alexander Büttner

[hypochondriac]

No one but that's the point. If he sees another young left back join the club, what would that say about his chances in the immediate future? Might as well go elsewhere on probably more money at a more glamorous club if you have the opportunity to do so....that's if you're not playing football of course.

 

It's possible to give youth players a chance whilst still signing good players should the youth players not progress. I mean AOC displaced a couple of players simply because he performed better than them. The same thing could conceivably happen here.

[Dig Dig]

It's possible to give youth players a chance whilst still signing good players should the youth players not progress. I mean AOC displaced a couple of players simply because he performed better than them. The same thing could conceivably happen here.

 

If you're good enough you're old enough. No point spending millions on fees and wages just to have the player displaced by someone in your academy in the immediate future. That would be silly wouldn't it?

 

And AOC only displaced Puncheon. I remember loads on here complaining about us not signing a RM only for Ox to start ripping it up the following season. Do you think it would have made a difference to AOC's chances had we spent 3MM on a right winger that summer?

[hypochondriac]

If you're good enough you're old enough. No point spending millions on fees and wages just to have the player displaced by someone in your academy in the immediate future. That would be silly wouldn't it?

 

And AOC only displaced Puncheon. I remember loads on here complaining about us not signing a RM only for Ox to start ripping it up the following season. Do you think it would have made a difference to AOC's chances had we spent 3MM on a right winger that summer?

 

I just don't believe we decided not to sign Buttner because of Shaw. It is obvious from the press and his comments that this messing around changed our minds.

[Dig Dig]

I just don't believe we decided not to sign Buttner because of Shaw. It is obvious from the press and his comments that this messing around changed our minds.

 

So you expect that we will be looking to sign another LB then?

 

I don't so let's see

[hypochondriac]

So you expect that we will be looking to sign another LB then?

 

I don't so let's see

 

Not necessarily. It is possible that we decided that this messing around wasn't worth it and that we will see what happens with what we have. That decision isn't necessarily influenced by a two week period where Shaw has performed well.

[Dig Dig]

Not necessarily. It is possible that we decided that this messing around wasn't worth it and that we will see what happens with what we have. That decision isn't necessarily influenced by a two week period where Shaw has performed well.

 

Well it may not have influenced anything and you may be right but that doesn't mean it's not possible either. You dismissed it outright earlier and that's the whole point of the debate.

[hypochondriac]

Well it may not have influenced anything and you may be right but that doesn't mean it's not possible either. You dismissed it outright earlier and that's the whole point of the debate.

 

Where? I said it was unlikely and I highly doubt it.

[SB]

Don't think you quite get it Hypo, I think that Shaw played a bigger part in the situation than is believed. In my opinion of course.

[doggface]

Think this one is dead if it hasnt happened by now

[Dig Dig]

Where? I said it was unlikely and I highly doubt it.

 

Highly doubting something is generally a good indication that you strongly believe that it's not the case, no?

 

Just saying that I don't doubt either scenario. Those who suggested the Shaw thing in the first place could be completely right.

[suewhistle]

Buttner's agent is also in the dark when it comes to his client's future, but admits that a switch to Southampton would appear unlikely.

 

"It appears agreements that were reached 10 days ago don't exist anymore," said Alexander Bursac.

 

"The way everything is right now astounds us and is unacceptable, for us and Vitesse."

 

Seems a bit clueless: it's your job to know, mate. Just as you should have known about the "third party" who was not involved in any contracts with Vitesse or Saints. You can't negotiate on behalf of a client without knowing all the facts. Nobody agreeing to a contract wants last minute stipulations which haven't entered into the negotiations beforehand.

 

I'm a poor language teacher and looking around there appears sometimes to be no link between money, professionalism and intelligence.

[hypochondriac]

Don't think you quite get it Hypo, I think that Shaw played a bigger part in the situation than is believed. In my opinion of course.

 

I get it perfectly. I just don't consider it likely. Unless you know something I don't?

[hypochondriac]

Highly doubting something is generally a good indication that you strongly believe that it's not the case, no?

 

Just saying that I don't doubt either scenario. Those who suggested the Shaw thing in the first place could be completely right.

 

So I didn't dismiss it outright then. Didn't think I did.

[SaintRichmond]

Think this one is dead if it hasnt happened by now

 

 

As negotiations had reached such an advanced stage, WHT have NEITHER Club, or Agent for that matter, not said it's " dead in the water ? "

 

or is Silence still Golden ??

[Viking Warrior]

Where's Simon peach latest twitter he seemed to suggest an imminent update

[Dig Dig]

So I didn't dismiss it outright then. Didn't think I did.

 

No you didn't dismiss it. You only highly doubted it. Of course there is a massive gulf in difference between the two statements. My apologies.

[hypochondriac]

No you didn't dismiss it. You only highly doubted it. Of course there is a massive gulf in difference between the two statements. My apologies.

 

I didn't dismiss it outright. There was a big difference between the two statements, you were wrong and I'm glad you agree. Thanks for the apology.

[Dig Dig]

Dell days did dismiss it and you replied immediately with "exactly". We all saw it. You can't re-write history.

 

Well you can edit the post I suppose but even you wouldn't stoop to that...would you?

 

But seeing at you only highly doubt it, I will concede that we are both 50% right.

[SNSUN]

If you're good enough you're old enough. No point spending millions on fees and wages just to have the player displaced by someone in your academy in the immediate future. That would be silly wouldn't it?

 

And AOC only displaced Puncheon. I remember loads on here complaining about us not signing a RM only for Ox to start ripping it up the following season. Do you think it would have made a difference to AOC's chances had we spent 3MM on a right winger that summer?

 

I believe signing Buttner would've been to displace Fox rather than Shaw. Adkins states we're only interested in signing better players that we have, and one would assume Buttner is better than Fox, hence why we were after him. Shaw will make it when he's good and ready, it's Fox that should be concerned about his position. I personally think Fox will be OK in the Premier League, but I'd be happy if we signed Buttner, or whoever, to compete with both Fox and Shaw. Sadly it seems like Buttner's fannying around with his agent makes this deal seem dead, and I get the feeling we're not a club that will be held to ransom. There are other options out there, or, we wait until January.

 

I'm not fussed about missing out on Buttner, CB's and GK's take priority anyway. Can't Clyne play LB anyway?

[Saint Charlie]

Not really sure what the issue is with Fox. Cracking cross for Jay Rod the other day and a Vitesse fan I spoke to said Buttner's weakness was his poor final ball, not ideal when we have Jay, RL, Sharp who will get goals with good service.

[St.Patrik]

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/07/20/southampton-look-to-break-transfer-record-with-8m-bid-for-dutch-international-jeremain-lens/

[Joensuu]

Just guessing here - Fox is an acceptable PL quality left back - he's not brilliant, but he can certainly do a job. Shaw looks to have a great future if he fulfils his potential. Left back isn't a position we are in desperate need for more cover (certainly not in comparision with Centre Backs). I'll be shocked if either Harding or Dickson make the 25 player list.

 

I think Buttner was being considered for his flexibility - he sounds like he would have provided cover for not just Fox, but also Lallana and Richardson. Of course the other thing that has changed over the last few days is that we now have depth in the right back slot - Buttner's potential to fill in there is less of a selling point. It could be to appease Shaw, but I think there are a number of other possibilities. Perhaps something about Buttner raised alarm bells (something he said? or a doubt about his fitness or health?). Perhaps we have our eyes set on a different player? (I'd guess a left winger is more likely than a left back ). Who knows... but I do find it strange for the blame to be pinned on Shaw when it could be any number of other explainatons.

[Dig Dig]

Just guessing here - Fox is an acceptable PL quality left back - he's not brilliant, but he can certainly do a job. Shaw looks to have a great future if he fulfils his potential. Left back isn't a position we are in desperate need for more cover (certainly not in comparision with Centre Backs). I'll be shocked if either Harding or Dickson make the 25 player list.

 

I think Buttner was being considered for his flexibility - he sounds like he would have provided cover for not just Fox, but also Lallana and Richardson. Of course the other thing that has changed over the last few days is that we now have depth in the right back slot - Buttner's potential to fill in there is less of a selling point. It could be to appease Shaw, but I think there are a number of other possibilities. Perhaps something about Buttner raised alarm bells (something he said? or a doubt about his fitness or health?). Perhaps we have our eyes set on a different player? (I'd guess a left winger is more likely than a left back ). Who knows... but I do find it strange for the blame to be pinned on Shaw when it could be any number of other explainatons.

 

 

Don't think anyone is blaming Shaw. I'm not overly fussed if we sign Buttner or not. Just one of many possible explainations.

[Gingeletiss]

Who knows... but I do find it strange for the blame to be pinned on Shaw when it could be any number of other explainatons.

 

Who but a few on here, who fancy that their opinions are always right, have made that statement. Hypo and a few others shout the loudest on here, it doesn't make their opinions and more valued.

[There when Franny scored]

http://www.gelderlander.nl/sport/vitesse/11422508/Buttner-van-Vitesse-in-beeld-bij-Hannover-96.ece

 

ARNHEM - Alexander Büttner Vitesse continues his career as possible to Hannover 96. The 23-year-old Will Inch Bucket is depicted in the German league table, which plays European football next season. Büttners agent Alexander Bursac confirms the interest of Hannover 96, though the club has not yet officially reported at Vitesse. "But Hanover is concrete. The chance that Alex is playing next season at Hanover, is a lot bigger than he relocated to Southampton," said Bursac.

 

For a long time it seemed that the left back at the English club would sign, but that has not happened. Vitesse and Büttner had agreed with Southampton, but according to Sprint, there was suddenly a third party with an additional requirement. According Bursac everything was resolved quickly, but then came Southampton with new requirements. "That was disappointing. All agreements and promises no longer existed. Then you have doubts. There were more big clubs who were interested in Alexander, but he chose because of the good story for Southampton."

 

Büttner is another year under contract at Vitesse.

[modern matron]

http://www.gelderlander.nl/sport/vitesse/11422508/Buttner-van-Vitesse-in-beeld-bij-Hannover-96.ece

 

ARNHEM - Alexander Büttner Vitesse continues his career as possible to Hannover 96. The 23-year-old Will Inch Bucket is depicted in the German league table, which plays European football next season. Büttners agent Alexander Bursac confirms the interest of Hannover 96, though the club has not yet officially reported at Vitesse. "But Hanover is concrete. The chance that Alex is playing next season at Hanover, is a lot bigger than he relocated to Southampton," said Bursac.

 

For a long time it seemed that the left back at the English club would sign, but that has not happened. Vitesse and Büttner had agreed with Southampton, but according to Sprint, there was suddenly a third party with an additional requirement. According Bursac everything was resolved quickly, but then came Southampton with new requirements. "That was disappointing. All agreements and promises no longer existed. Then you have doubts. There were more big clubs who were interested in Alexander, but he chose because of the good story for Southampton."

 

Büttner is another year under contract at Vitesse.

 

I reckon he upset the don by talking to much before the deal had been completed - broke the rules before he got here....

[Verbal]

I reckon he upset the don by talking to much before the deal had been completed - broke the rules before he got here....

 

Is there any evidence for that? Much more likely, surely, is that the 'third party' suddenly emerged with what must have seemed like an expensive fait accompli. Only it wasn't.

[Foxstone]

Tend to agree with S-Clarke that this was a Jemal Mark 2 situation..

 

We have shown over the past couple of weeks in signing both Clyne and Davis that we behave with great integrity in our transfer dealings - If that is not reciprocated then we walk away, and I am more than happy to support that stance..

[beatlesaint]

Tend to agree with S-Clarke that this was a Jemal Mark 2 situation..

 

We have shown over the past couple of weeks in signing both Clyne and Davis that we behave with great integrity in our transfer dealings - If that is not reciprocated then we walk away, and I am more than happy to support that stance..

 

Thats very true, even the Rangers owner, Green, said Southampton had acted honourably.

[alpine_saint]

Tend to agree with S-Clarke that this was a Jemal Mark 2 situation..

 

We have shown over the past couple of weeks in signing both Clyne and Davis that we behave with great integrity in our transfer dealings - If that is not reciprocated then we walk away, and I am more than happy to support that stance..

 

This.

 

Time to close the thread; he's not going to be a Saint any time soon.

[Viking Warrior]

Alpine for Moderator Campaign

This is pure gold

Time to close the thread; he's not going to be a Saint any time soon.

[alpine_saint]

Alpine for Moderator Campaign

This is pure gold

Time to close the thread; he's not going to be a Saint any time soon.

 

Curious as to WTF I've done wrong now.....

[Viking Warrior]

Nothing at all Alpine. just a sense of humour and irony on my part

[SNSUN]

His agent (who has a big mouth seemingly) has said he'll still end up in the Premier League, with Fulham still interested. They can have him.

[The9]

Thats very true, even the Rangers owner, Green, said Southampton had acted honourably.

 

He's hardly likely not to when we've just randomly given them £800k due to our own impatience. The day after we "cleared up" the Davis transfer, every other ex-Rangers player was also released from their previous registration by FIFA, costing them nothing.

[trousers]

@officialpompey: RT @jedwallace62: Soooooo basically I'm singing R Kelly-Ignition infront of the whole Portsmouth team, staff and the rest of the hotel!

 

The whole Portsmouth team? I think not young Wallace.

[Saint-Armstrong]

This morning Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf published an interview with Alexander Büttner about all the transfer woes that surrounds him.

 

In the article Büttner said the following about his almost done deal with The Saints: "We were so close, and i would have loved to join them but the clubs didn't come to an agreement. So now i am moving on, right now Hanover 96 and Fulham are showing real interest in me and there are two more clubs from France.

The Southampton story lies behind my now, my future is somewhere else."

[beatlesaint]

He's hardly likely not to when we've just randomly given them £800k due to our own impatience. The day after we "cleared up" the Davis transfer, every other ex-Rangers player was also released from their previous registration by FIFA, costing them nothing.

 

It was nowhere near 800k, both Adam Blackmore and Simon Peach have tweeted independantly that we settled a fraction of that.

[Saint Garrett]

This morning Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf published an interview with Alexander Büttner about all the transfer woes that surrounds him.

 

In the article Büttner said the following about his almost done deal with The Saints: "We were so close, and i would have loved to join them but the clubs didn't come to an agreement. So now i am moving on, right now Hanover 96 and Fulham are showing real interest in me and there are two more clubs from France.

The Southampton story lies behind my now, my future is somewhere else."

 

Sounds like it has fallen through then. Did this fall through, so now we've gone after Lens ?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

This morning Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf published an interview with Alexander Büttner about all the transfer woes that surrounds him.

 

In the article Büttner said the following about his almost done deal with The Saints: "We were so close, and i would have loved to join them but the clubs didn't come to an agreement. So now i am moving on, right now Hanover 96 and Fulham are showing real interest in me and there are two more clubs from France.

The Southampton story lies behind my now, my future is somewhere else."

 

It's a shame but by the look of this article I think we can wrap this one up now and file it under 'Not going to Happen'.

 

As I'd never even heard of him a few weeks ago his non signing now hardly seems a real cause for any despondency. If those at the club involved in player transfers know their business - and I'm quite confident they do - then we will already have alternate left side players in mind.

[The9]

It was nowhere near 800k, both Adam Blackmore and Simon Peach have tweeted independantly that we settled a fraction of that.

 

I should bloody hope not as well, but where did that 800k figure come from?

[SO16_Saint]

@SimonPeach: I understand the Jeremain Lens to #SaintsFC stories have some legs, but the Alexander Büttner deal is all but dead. More to follow tomorrow.

[Leicestersaint]

Shame but there you are.

[SO16_Saint]

Shame but there you are.

 

Shows that no one, not even 3rd parties, f*ck with SFC anymore

[scotty]

Shows that no one, not even 3rd parties, f*ck with SFC anymore

 

My thoughts precisely. Nicola and Nigel set the agenda, end of. If the target doesn't want to get on the bus then move on to the next one.

[PSV]

I'm a guy from the netherlands, who only made this account to fill you i about eredivisie players/ dutch players.

Buttner is not a favorite footballer of mine, why? Because he doesn't know how to defend. At all. The only thing he can do well is shooting, aiming, atting, crossing. that can be pretty good if the rest of your defenders are good enough. Are they? I know you guys have "enough" money. I don't know if buttner is officially bought yet? Because if you really want a left back, i would say Pieters, because he can do wat buttner can (is 2/3 years older though) AND can defend, he can also play as a CB. That would be a better option i think, he would cost about 5 million euros.

[S-Clarke]

I'm a guy from the netherlands, who only made this account to fill you i about eredivisie players/ dutch players.

Buttner is not a favorite footballer of mine, why? Because he doesn't know how to defend. At all. The only thing he can do well is shooting, aiming, atting, crossing. that can be pretty good if the rest of your defenders are good enough. Are they? I know you guys have "enough" money. I don't know if buttner is officially bought yet? Because if you really want a left back, i would say Pieters, because he can do wat buttner can (is 2/3 years older though) AND can defend, he can also play as a CB. That would be a better option i think, he would cost about 5 million euros.

 

The deal for Buttner has pretty much fallen through by all accounts, we couldn't reach an agreement, which is quite an escape going by your post.

 

I do like Erik Pieters and he is a player I've mentioned on here before, he can also play at CB as you said and would cover us in that position.

[Chin Strain]

I'm a guy from the netherlands, who only made this account to fill you i about eredivisie players/ dutch players.

Buttner is not a favorite footballer of mine, why? Because he doesn't know how to defend. At all. The only thing he can do well is shooting, aiming, atting, crossing. that can be pretty good if the rest of your defenders are good enough. Are they? I know you guys have "enough" money. I don't know if buttner is officially bought yet? Because if you really want a left back, i would say Pieters, because he can do wat buttner can (is 2/3 years older though) AND can defend, he can also play as a CB. That would be a better option i think, he would cost about 5 million euros.

 

Welcome PSV....any news on Lens, and a potential deal?

[Mr Saints]

I'm a guy from the netherlands, who only made this account to fill you i about eredivisie players/ dutch players.

Buttner is not a favorite footballer of mine, why? Because he doesn't know how to defend. At all. The only thing he can do well is shooting, aiming, atting, crossing. that can be pretty good if the rest of your defenders are good enough. Are they? I know you guys have "enough" money. I don't know if buttner is officially bought yet? Because if you really want a left back, i would say Pieters, because he can do wat buttner can (is 2/3 years older though) AND can defend, he can also play as a CB. That would be a better option i think, he would cost about 5 million euros.

 

Welcome sir and thanks for the info. I and most on here are not too disappointed the Buttner deal has fallen through, especially as we're not short of left backs.

[Saint Garrett]

We have Japanese fans with Lee....now we're getting Dutch visitors to the board! Welcome! Sounds like we are doing some extensive scouting in Holland, although wasn't Pieters linked with Newcastle ?!