Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 (edited) Look, All we can do at the moment is a "mid-term" report on FACTS. What HAS happened on the transfer market at Saints. And then ask the question: are the FACTS ofour transfer activity ENOUGH to keep us in the PL ? So, we have bought J-Rod, good-looking striker, great potential, and Steven Davis who it is not clear if he is even permitted to play for us, but seeing as he didnt participate in the Memorial Cup it seems currently that he is NOT permitted. The FACTS are we have no GK cover, and have no decent CB cover. Also there are doubts we are strong enough in centre midfield for this division. Fact or not ? So based on FACTS, our transfer period so far is underwhelming and disappointing. Maybe our management were a bit naiive about their ability to secure targets at this level and with the club widely perceived to have a healthy bank balance. Based on FACTS, our transfer period does not look strong enough to keep us in this division. Can't argue with that. Of course you can. For a start Adkins said that had Steven Davis been fit and fully recovered after his operation he would have played on Saturday. Last summer people were complaining we only brought in Cork and De Ridder before the first game of the season as a newly promoted club. We ended up getting automatic promotion. In some ways Tadanari Lee is going to be like a new signing, as he didn't play much last season due to the injury. Alpine has no idea what is going on behind the scenes. We could have numerous deals on the go, some close to completion and we are one month away from the 1st game, 6 weeks away from the window closing. It appears Clyne deal is getting very close. Edited 18 July, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Look, All we can do at the moment is a "mid-term" report on FACTS. What HAS happened on the transfer market at Saints. And then ask the question: are the FACTS ofour transfer activity ENOUGH to keep us in the PL ? So, we have bought J-Rod, good-looking striker, great potential, and Steven Davis who it is not clear if he is even permitted to play for us, but seeing as he didnt participate in the Memorial Cup it seems currently that he is NOT permitted. The FACTS are we have no GK cover, and have no decent CB cover. Also there are doubts we are strong enough in centre midfield for this division. Fact or not ? So based on FACTS, our transfer period so far is underwhelming and disappointing. Maybe our management were a bit naiive about their ability to secure targets at this level and with the club widely perceived to have a healthy bank balance. Based on FACTS, our transfer period does not look strong enough to keep us in this division. Can't argue with that. I can argue with that. Whilst we have only signed 2 players (3 very soon) you cannot doubt the quality of them. Anyone would think we only have 6 weeks of the transfer window left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Of course you can. For a start Adkins said that had Steven Davis been fit and fully recovered after his operation he would have played on Saturday. Last summer people were complaining we only brought in Cork and De Ridder before the first game of the season. We ended up getting automatic promotion. Plus Adkins has said we are def bringing in a keeper and CB or more likely two, plus a full back also. Re centre mid, with Davis I think we are well stocked, expect Schneiderlin and Cork to do very well this season, plus JWP looks promising and Hammond dependable when needed and no worse than Delap was or is. There is still a month to the season, apart from Reading little business has been done anywhere, and they seem to be going for quantity over quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Of course you can. For a start Adkins said that had Steven Davis been fit and fully recovered after his operation he would have played on Saturday. Last summer people were complaining we only brought in Cork and De Ridder before the first game of the season as a newly promoted club. We ended up getting automatic promotion. In some ways Tadanari Lee is going to be like a new signing, as he didn't play much last season due to the injury. Alpine has no idea what is going on behind the scenes. We could have numerous deals on the go, some close to completion and we are one month away from the 1st game, 6 weeks away from the window closing. It appears Clyne deal is getting very close. Alpine stated the facts, as they are, based on this summers transfer activity to date. He was factually accurate. What has Lee's signing (last season) or last summers signings got to do with this summers concluded (and reported) transfer activity? What has non concluded (and reported) transfer activity got to do with it? Facts are facts - stop trying to argue black is white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 (edited) Alpine stated the facts, as they are, based on this summers transfer activity to date. He was factually accurate. Facts are facts - stop trying to argue black is white. Alpine said... Steven Davis who it is not clear if he is even permitted to play for us, but seeing as he didnt participate in the Memorial Cup it seems currently that he is NOT permitted. and... Also there are doubts we are strong enough in centre midfield for this division. Fact or not ? Adkins said that Steven Davis would have played on Saturday had he not been recovering from an operation still. Are you and Alpine calling Adkins a liar? It seems so! Cork, Schneiderlin and Davis are fine for a central midfield in the Premier League. Who thinks they wouldn't be? Plus you have Hammond, Chaplow and Ward-Prowse in reserve. Where are these "doubts" he claims coming from? He just labelled them as FACTS, as you are also doing. How in depth do you think bottom half Premier League teams central midfields are? Just look at the squads of some of the teams we will be competing against! Edited 18 July, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Alpine said... and... Adkins said that Steven Davis would have played on Saturday had he not been recovering from an operation still. Are you and Alpine calling Adkins a liar? It seems so! Cork, Schneiderlin and Davis are fine for a central midfield in the Premier League. Who thinks they wouldn't be? Plus you have Hammond, Chaplow and Ward-Prowse in reserve. Where are these "doubts" he claims coming from? He just labelled them as FACTS, as you are also doing. How in depth do you think bottom half Premier League teams central midfields are? Just look at the squads of some of the teams we will be competing against! It is unclear whether Davis is cleared to play for us. I've read nothing to say that we have clearance. Alpine asked a question about our midfield strength as he has doubts. Some will agree with that. You appear to agree with his points about other positions. It's refreshing to see you actually agreeing with another poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 People need to stop panicking over Davis, he's ours and he will play 30 odd games for us next year. There will be no problem with it at all. Relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 It is unclear whether Davis is cleared to play for us. I've read nothing to say that we have clearance. I suggest you watch Adkins post match interview. He clearly states there is no issue and had Davis been fit he would have played on Saturday. By suggesting otherwise you are saying that Adkins is a liar! Alpine asked a question about our midfield strength as he has doubts. Some will agree with that. As I said, just look at the central midfield options for bottom half Premier League sides and Cork, Davis and Schniederlin will be fine. Further depth comes from Chaplow, Hammond and Ward-Prowse. You appear to agree with his points about other positions. Well it is hard not to agree we need a goalkeeper and some centre backs. Adkins has confirmed those are positions he is definetly looking to strengthen, so why worry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Facts are facts - stop trying to argue black is white. No goalkeeping cover is not a fact. Doubts about our midfield being strong enough is not a fact. Saying four signings doesn't make us strong enough to stay in the Prem is not a fact. Stop trying to argue that grey is black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 It is unclear whether Davis is cleared to play for us. I've read nothing to say that we have clearance. The Scottish FA have refused to sign the clearance papers. They never sign clearance papers if there is a dispute. In such circumstances Southampton must apply to FIFA for a temporary clearance whilst the dispute is ongoing. SFC have done this and in due course will get clearance from FIFA. At some point this may be revoked - if Rangers win their case, but until then Davis will have no problems playing for SFC. Whether he's any good or not is another matter. Can't wit to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 No goalkeeping cover is not a fact. Doubts about our midfield being strong enough is not a fact. Saying four signings doesn't make us strong enough to stay in the Prem is not a fact. Stop trying to argue that grey is black. Jeez, some of you people only read the bits you want to read! Goalkeeping cover?!?! Technically yes, but in reality no. "Doubt" is subjective. Alpine has doubt and posed a question. Others may not, that's fine. We haven't made four signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 (edited) Goalkeeping cover?!?! Technically yes, but in reality no. So not a "fact" then, as you claimed. Yes, I know Forecast is terrible and we need a keeper (something Adkins has stated will happen), but that isn't what you were defending. Plus no response from you about the Steven Davis rebuttal... It is unclear whether Davis is cleared to play for us. I've read nothing to say that we have clearance. I suggest you watch Adkins post match interview. He clearly states there is no issue and had Davis been fit he would have played on Saturday. By suggesting otherwise you are saying that Adkins is a liar! Can you now see why this statement by you is a nonsense...? Alpine stated the facts. He was factually accurate. Edited 18 July, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 As usual, the panicking lot have no foundation in any of their points. Always plucked out of nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 MLG, read Chez's point re davis. Assuming he's right we haven't got clearance. I don't regard Forecast as cover. You may, but you're probably in a minority. Anyway, I vowed never to get into a pointless exchange with you again. You'll have the last word even I was to carry on all day so fill your boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 It's good to have the pedant on the side of the angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Look, All we can do at the moment is a "mid-term" report on FACTS. What HAS happened on the transfer market at Saints. And then ask the question: are the FACTS ofour transfer activity ENOUGH to keep us in the PL ? So, we have bought J-Rod, good-looking striker, great potential, and Steven Davis who it is not clear if he is even permitted to play for us, but seeing as he didnt participate in the Memorial Cup it seems currently that he is NOT permitted. The FACTS are we have no GK cover, and have no decent CB cover. Also there are doubts we are strong enough in centre midfield for this division. Fact or not ? So based on FACTS, our transfer period so far is underwhelming and disappointing. Maybe our management were a bit naiive about their ability to secure targets at this level and with the club widely perceived to have a healthy bank balance. Based on FACTS, our transfer period does not look strong enough to keep us in this division. Agreed. We are either inept, unlucky or controversially, going to see if we can stay up with what we have got. If not, we grab the premiership money plus parachutes and rebuild in the NPC ? Really, this could be our strategy, remember WBA successfully 'yo yoed'for the first few years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Agreed. We are either inept, unlucky or controversially, going to see if we can stay up with what we have got. If not, we grab the premiership money plus parachutes and rebuild in the NPC ? Really, this could be our strategy, remember WBA successfully 'yo yoed'for the first few years or so. Please tell me you don't believe that. You were complaining last summer about signings, predicted us to come 17th and we ended up getting automatic promotion. They know what they are doing, let them get on with it and stop panicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Agreed. We are either inept, unlucky I suspect a combination of both. I wouldnt put it as hard as "inept", perhaps "naiive" or controversially, going to see if we can stay up with what we have got. If not, we grab the premiership money plus parachutes and rebuild in the NPC ? Really, this could be our strategy, remember WBA successfully 'yo yoed'for the first few years or so. This is b*ll*cks, mate. I am 100% certain that NCs vision is for us to compete now we've got back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Please tell me you don't believe that. You were complaining last summer about signings, predicted us to come 17th and we ended up getting automatic promotion. They know what they are doing, let them get on with it and stop panicking. For the record,I believe the management know exactly what they are doing. We are going for the 'Yo Yo' strategy. We will build up the finances of the club gradually through a very conservative wage and transfer policy ! I am sure of it and again i think the management knows exactly what they are doing in this respect. Remember, you heard it first from the Dalek ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 For the record,I believe the management know exactly what they are doing. We are going for the 'Yo Yo' strategy. We will build up the finances of the club gradually through a very conservative wage and transfer policy ! I am sure of it and again i think the management knows exactly what they are doing in this respect. Remember, you heard it first from the Dalek ! http://instagram.com/p/NJlLW5laZ1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I'm not all that fussed for Buttner anyway. A striker who only scored 5 goals last season? No thanks. Lets see who can resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Read the latest statements by Green today in the papers north of the border about oldco Rangers players. He said with Rangers likely to be playing in the Third Division if granted SFA membership in 2 weeks time (still not certain), there is nothing can be done with the last remaining players leaving Newco also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I'm not all that fussed for Buttner anyway. A striker who only scored 5 goals last season? No thanks. Impossible to tell if you are joking or not. Just in case you aren't... Buttner is a left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 For the record,I believe the management know exactly what they are doing. We are going for the 'Yo Yo' strategy. We will build up the finances of the club gradually through a very conservative wage and transfer policy ! I am sure of it and again i think the management knows exactly what they are doing in this respect. Remember, you heard it first from the Dalek ! Now that I don't agree with. Complete b0ll0cks in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Impossible to tell if you are joking or not. Just in case you aren't... Buttner is a left back. Just making a point. The art of the troll. Post something you know is bullsh*t and people can't resist the urge to correct you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I'm not all that fussed for Buttner anyway. A striker who only scored 5 goals last season? No thanks. Lets see who can resist. Impossible to tell if you are joking or not. Just in case you aren't... Buttner is a left back. As inevitable as night following day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 His agent was saying the 3rd party thing was resolved. So did Vitesse. Sounds like if it doesn't happen its because we sdon't want him anymore. Having seen Shaw on Saturday, I can potentially see why that might be the case, all depends where we had intended to use him. If that's the case then the only reason for the deal not being finalized is that we aren't interested anymore. One explanation could be that we went for Clyne after the Büttner deal looked dead and now we want to give that a chance before possibly returning to Büttner if the Clyne deal doesn't materialize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Just making a point. The art of the troll. Post something you know is bullsh*t and people can't resist the urge to correct you. So what? If you had genuinely believed Buttner was a striker, what harm is there in telling you he is a left back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 If that's the case then the only reason for the deal not being finalized is that we aren't interested anymore. One explanation could be that we went for Clyne after the Büttner deal looked dead and now we want to give that a chance before possibly returning to Büttner if the Clyne deal doesn't materialize. Doubt it is Clyne that is making us cool on Buttner. Clyne is a right back, Buttner is versatile, but primarily a left sided player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 So what? If you had genuinely believed Buttner was a striker, what harm is there in telling you he is a left back? Because the forum doesnt need the same person 'correcting' every post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 So what? If you had genuinely believed Buttner was a striker, what harm is there in telling you he is a left back? Because I can then argue on and on that he is a striker and waste both of our time. Apparently this is fun for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Of course you can. For a start Adkins said that had Steven Davis been fit and fully recovered after his operation he would have played on Saturday. Last summer people were complaining we only brought in Cork and De Ridder before the first game of the season as a newly promoted club. We ended up getting automatic promotion. In some ways Tadanari Lee is going to be like a new signing, as he didn't play much last season due to the injury. Alpine has no idea what is going on behind the scenes. We could have numerous deals on the go, some close to completion and we are one month away from the 1st game, 6 weeks away from the window closing. It appears Clyne deal is getting very close. I'd believe you, although Alpine's assessment is fairly accurate at the moment and doesn't contain a load of "if" statements which yours relies upon. Also, your credibility is not exactly massive at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 (Someone good with images put an "N" in there for when we sign another left back) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 He's a goalkeeper you fool. He's certainly better than Forecast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 TSF..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I have no doubt in my mind Büttner is leaving Vitesse but I'm getting more and more doubtful if Saints are going to be the destination. His position at Vitesse is very difficult since they already have a replacement for him, this is why he's not going to Bulgaria with them. But I'm becoming more and more sceptical that we'll be the ones signing him. For that to happen either Vitesse has share the transfer-fee (not likely), Saints have to pay of the 3rd party (doesn't really sound like Cortese does it?) or Büttner has to strike a deal with the 3rd party. Perhaps Büttner can make the problem go away but why would this take so long? Anyway, to return to Buttner (how do I type an umlaut?) In the radio interview last (?) week, his agent said, yes, that the' third party issue' was now resolved, but then said something dodgy about now only wanting saints to pay in fewer installments than was originally agreed. That did not sound like an "only" issue to me, so it does not surprise me that he has not yet since signed...and may not sign at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananaman Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 These are the same people of went in to meltdown when we signed Hooiveld at the 11th hour.. or when we only brought in Cork and Deridder last year.. when will people learn that we are not all football managers, sometimes you have to sit back and trust in Adkins, he has not led us wrong so far. I swear sometimes people forget where we have been for the past 8 years, things are going well, we should be happy with our progress and trust those making the decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Buttner is no longer listed on the squad page... http://www.vitesse.nl/en/spelers/vitesse/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Anyway, to return to Buttner (how do I type an umlaut?) In the radio interview last (?) week, his agent said, yes, that the' third party issue' was now resolved, but then said something dodgy about now only wanting saints to pay in fewer installments than was originally agreed. That did not sound like an "only" issue to me, so it does not surprise me that he has not yet since signed...and may not sign at all. So the agent is trying to interfere with the agreement between Saints and Vitesse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 I can argue with that. Whilst we have only signed 2 players (3 very soon) you cannot doubt the quality of them. Anyone would think we only have 6 weeks of the transfer window left Plus four youngsters added to the first team squad, that makes six new faces!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 If you are the sort of person who likes to panic then panic . It won't do you much good. I might start to panic a little if in a months time Kelvin is out with a long term injury and we haven't bought a replacement ( very unlikely I'd have thought). If it's only a short term injury then it doesn't really matter does it? Even if we were allowed 2 keepers we probably wouldn't get anything at Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Please tell me you don't believe that. You were complaining last summer about signings, predicted us to come 17th and we ended up getting automatic promotion. They know what they are doing, let them get on with it and stop panicking. Don't feed the troll!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Originally Posted by Ken Tone Anyway, to return to Buttner (how do I type an umlaut?) In the radio interview last (?) week, his agent said, yes, that the' third party issue' was now resolved, but then said something dodgy about now only wanting saints to pay in fewer installments than was originally agreed. That did not sound like an "only" issue to me, so it does not surprise me that he has not yet since signed...and may not sign at all. So the agent is trying to interfere with the agreement between Saints and Vitesse? I believe that is a misunderstanding of the interview. These two points were an issue but both had been settled according to the BBC report which quotes the agent. The agent had wanted fewer instalments but this was dropped along with payment for a third party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 (edited) http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.vitesse.org/nieuws/vitesse_in_de_media/uit_de_media/10_vragen_aan_alexander_buttner.html Interesting article posted today... Sounds like we seduced him...MLG will love the stadium bit! Edited 18 July, 2012 by Saint Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Very interesting and frank interview. What stood out was confirmation of expansion plans and 2 billionaire owners?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Nice interview. Cheers for posting. * Also, a DVD with the history of Saints, but inter-cut with video of the player as well? Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//www.vitesse.org/nieuws/vitesse_in_de_media/uit_de_media/10_vragen_aan_alexander_buttner.html Interesting article posted today... Sounds like we seduced him...MLG will love the stadium bit! Really odd. Seems like its done.. but...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Very interesting and frank interview. What stood out was confirmation of expansion plans and 2 billionaire owners?? Plus Adkins looking for an offensive left back. I also liked the bit about incorporating him into a DVD on the history of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Sounds like it's done as far as he knows just a few boxes to be ticked. He certainly comes across like the transfer was in the past, although that could just be the translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2012 Share Posted 18 July, 2012 Very interesting and frank interview. What stood out was confirmation of expansion plans and 2 billionaire owners?? The video montage with pictures of him included 50k stadium. Here we go again lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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