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alpine_saint

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The issue was only between Vitesse and the player/agent. All this speculation that NC will suddenly pull out because of it is nonesense, no matter how much people would like to believe that to be the case.

 

Why don't people wait and see what happens before sharpening their daggers ready for NC.

 

The club have done nothing wrong here.

 

Erm, who said they have ?

 

We are just discussing how NC reacts to the events of the past 36 hours.

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Saint Charlie

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The issue was only between Vitesse and the player/agent. All this speculation that NC will suddenly pull out because of it is nonesense, no matter how much people would like to believe that to be the case.

 

Why don't people wait and see what happens before sharpening their daggers ready for NC.

 

The club have done nothing wrong here.

 

Bizarre post IMO - nobody has said that? You have just seen a post by Alpine and assumed that he is slagging off NC because of his long history of being a jessie.

 

On this occassion, you are wrong.

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landford.saint

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Assuming all is now settled, I think I heard that personal terms have been agreed and all that remains is the medical. This will be done over here, so we just need our 'informers' to let us know when he turns up. Anyone out there with a stethoscope or nurses outfit to loiter around private hospitals.

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SaintRichmond

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Normally agree with you, but not on this one.

 

NC has set his stall out to players, clubs and agents : Don't f**k with me.

 

I am perfectly happy with that.

 

Fair point, but "cutting your nose off to spite your face" springs to mind.

 

All we know, or have been told is that Vitesse have done nothing wrong, and Saints have done nothing wrong

 

So, to me, it's only about FOOTBALL. Is he still the same player as the one we wanted a few days ago ? If yes, then SIGN THE PLAYER, not be influenced by the Politics

 

PS I am NOT in any way criticising Cortese, only the parasites that try to get their 30 pieces of silver

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Peter White ‏@peterwhite_1

OK Saints fans will put you out of your misery. Buttner deal broken down because his dad, not any agent, wants a slice of the fee #saintsfc

 

That sounds about right but I would imagine his father has been acting as his advisor, otherwise why the commitment to a % fee of any transfer? Being father and son the agreement could be verbal rather than written, hence the slip through the cracks.

 

The agent in this interview believes the deal will still go through, maybe? When the agent talks about reducing the number of instalments, I can only assume this applies to the agents side of things as Saints and Vitesse have already come to a firm agreement. Cortese will have a price he is prepared to pay for the player and act accordingly. But if he believes he is being shown the pikey 3 card trick at this stage, he could walk on principle.

 

It must be very difficult for someone from a business environment where these horse trading manoeuvres are used regularly in football. The first thought must be to put as much distance between them and yourself as quickly as possible, tempered by the fact the profession is littered with the like.

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Fair point, but "cutting your nose off to spite your face" springs to mind.

 

All we know, or have been told is thatVitesse have done nothing wrong, and Saints have done nothing wrong

 

So, to me, it's only about FOOTBALL. Is he still the same player as the one we wanted a few days ago ? If yes, then SIGN THE PLAYER, not be influenced by the Politics

PS I am NOT in any way criticising Cortese, only the parasites that try to get their 30 pieces of silver

 

You may not have heard this mentioned before but when Saints look at bringing in a player, they look at the players character as being significant in that decision. You will have heard Adkins mention this several times previously regarding players.

 

If during the course of negotiations you uncover Anelka's brother or some trait others have shown which goes on to reveal it's best not touching these players with a barge pole. Then you are going to reassess the character side of things pretty pronto. This could all be a simple error by the player which has little effect should he decide to put things right out of his own pocket or his football skills diminish such an occurrence. But without a doubt things are not the same as they were previously and only a fool would not factor everything in. Otherwise why spend all that effort on character profiling with the alternative being the Joey Bartons of this world.

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Greenridge

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Well my point was generally aimed at those on this thread suggesting Vitesse should adopt this 'Southampton Way".

 

In reality Vitesse have done the right thing - it looks like they have agreed a fee to sell this player to us and that is what they have told their fans.

 

I would expect Saints to do the same thing. Whether they would or not is debatable.

 

Saints have a clearly stated policy that they will not comment on conjecture or rumours and only once deals have been done. I doubt they'll change this approach just to appease you.

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SaintRichmond

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You may not have heard this mentioned before but when Saints look at bringing in a player, they look at the players character as being significant in that decision. You will have heard Adkins mention this several times previously regarding players.

 

If during the course of negotiations you uncover Anelka's brother or some trait others have shown which goes on to reveal it's best not touching these players with a barge pole. Then you are going to reassess the character side of things pretty pronto. This could all be a simple error by the player which has little effect should he decide to put things right out of his own pocket or his football skills diminish such an occurrence. But without a doubt things are not the same as they were previously and only a fool would not factor everything in. Otherwise why spend all that effort on character profiling with the alternative being the Joey Bartons of this world.

 

(Another) Fair point

 

Thanks

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CB Fry

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Saints have a clearly stated policy that they will not comment on conjecture or rumours and only once deals have been done. I doubt they'll change this approach just to appease you.

 

 

 

As I said previously. What we do is brilliant. We are the best at everything what with leading the market in "clearly stated policies".

 

Maybe we should start a chant up about how brilliant our clearly stated policies are.

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Wes Tender

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As I said previously. What we do is brilliant. We are the best at everything what with leading the market in "clearly stated policies".

 

Maybe we should start a chant up about how brilliant our clearly stated policies are.

 

It is always encouraging for management of any type of business to have feedback from their customers that their policies generally meet with widespread approval, so if anybody in the club's management reads this forum, they will be pleased with this metaphorical pat on the back.

 

Regarding the chant, we already have one:-

 

"We do what we want, we do what we want, we are Southampton, we do what we want."

 

If that sounds a bit too arrogant for your liking, because the proposal of a new chant was yours, I'm sure that most on here will be happy to leave it up to you to come up with something suitably appropriate and yet catchy and witty at the same time.

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Wes Tender

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Don't see it myself - really hard to make it scan with a word like "policy". Give it a go, though, and I'll critique it.

 

Agree that it is difficult to get anything to rhyme with policy, but that need not be a problem.

 

The line could refer to policies that are sound, so that then you could end the next line with ground, for example.

 

Lots of alternative adjectives to describe the policies that have easy rhyming words in the next line, such as

 

Sublime - time

Unique - up the creek ;)

Right - bright

Great - first rate.

 

etc, etc.

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The Kraken

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Regarding the chant, we already have one:-

 

"We do what we want, we do what we want, we are Southampton, we do what we want."

 

If that sounds a bit too arrogant for your liking, because the proposal of a new chant was yours, I'm sure that most on here will be happy to leave it up to you to come up with something suitably appropriate and yet catchy and witty at the same time.

 

My argument would not so much be that its arrogant (it is), but that its a chant that was nicked from Manchester United. In which case, its not unique, and therefore certainly not striving for the "best in class both on and off the pitch" mantra that the club keeps aspiring to.

 

if we're truly going to top that summit then we'll need a chant that is all our own and better than all others, rather than some cheap gimmicky rip-off from another club.

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ericofarabia

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Assuming all is now settled, I think I heard that personal terms have been agreed and all that remains is the medical. This will be done over here, so we just need our 'informers' to let us know when he turns up. Anyone out there with a stethoscope or nurses outfit to loiter around private hospitals.

 

Just a warm up for Matchday Thread .... also any Airline Hostesses who are on the flight over, obviously the Nurse (preferably in one of those Red Cros/Swiss Flag combo outfit and maybe for old times sake a Nun to Bless the deal when it goes through :D

 

Anybody who doesn't follow Matchday Freds due to being at the match can be excused for thinking WTF? ;)

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notnowcato

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Don't see it myself - really hard to make it scan with a word like "policy". Give it a go, though, and I'll critique it.

 

Scans like Celery to me...

 

Policy,

Policy,

If she don't come

I'll tickle her bum

With my stated policy

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Faz

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Is this player actually any good and worth all the fuss,anyone seen him play ?

 

I think you will find that this thread has moved on to a pro/anti NC debate involving the traditional protagonists. Every thread is destined to end this way.

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hypochondriac

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It is always encouraging for management of any type of business to have feedback from their customers that their policies generally meet with widespread approval, so if anybody in the club's management reads this forum, they will be pleased with this metaphorical pat on the back.

 

Regarding the chant, we already have one:-

 

"We do what we want, we do what we want, we are Southampton, we do what we want."

 

If that sounds a bit too arrogant for your liking, because the proposal of a new chant was yours, I'm sure that most on here will be happy to leave it up to you to come up with something suitably appropriate and yet catchy and witty at the same time.

 

That isn't our chant. Some mongs nicked it when United were in town.

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Saint J 77

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You may not have heard this mentioned before but when Saints look at bringing in a player, they look at the players character as being significant in that decision. You will have heard Adkins mention this several times previously regarding players.

 

If during the course of negotiations you uncover Anelka's brother or some trait others have shown which goes on to reveal it's best not touching these players with a barge pole. Then you are going to reassess the character side of things pretty pronto. This could all be a simple error by the player which has little effect should he decide to put things right out of his own pocket or his football skills diminish such an occurrence. But without a doubt things are not the same as they were previously and only a fool would not factor everything in. Otherwise why spend all that effort on character profiling with the alternative being the Joey Bartons of this world.

 

I'm guessing this character profiling was not part of the Pardew set up? If it was we surely wouldn't have the Puncheon situation now?

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CB Fry

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I'm guessing this character profiling was not part of the Pardew set up? If it was we surely wouldn't have the Puncheon situation now?

 

 

 

This is the same Alan Pardew that made it his business to bomb out the overpaid old guard at Newcastle, replace them with cheaper, younger replacements with the right attitude and got them to fifth.

 

Pardew talked a lot about character when he was at Saints too. No one is ever going to get every single signing right and Puncheon is a better player than, say, Forte even if Forte is an amazing character.

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Saint J 77

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This is the same Alan Pardew that made it his business to bomb out the overpaid old guard at Newcastle, replace them with cheaper, younger replacements with the right attitude and got them to fifth.

 

Pardew talked a lot about character when he was at Saints too. No one is ever going to get every single signing right and Puncheon is a better player than, say, Forte even if Forte is an amazing character.

 

I wasn't trying to criticise Pardew. I was very sorry to see AP go at the time and there is no doubting he has done a great job at Newcastle. I was merely speculating, the club might have learnt a lesson from the Puncheon signing and looked more closely at character profiling afterwards.

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I wasn't trying to criticise Pardew. I was very sorry to see AP go at the time and there is no doubting he has done a great job at Newcastle. I was merely speculating, the club might have learn't a lesson from the Puncheon signing and looked more closely at character profiling afterwards.

 

 

 

Fair enough. I'd Punch was a calculated gamble.

 

I am not sure this is a character issue..just a complicated money and family (if rumour is true) one.

 

Doesn't make this kid a bad pro.

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As I said previously. What we do is brilliant. We are the best at everything what with leading the market in "clearly stated policies".

 

Maybe we should start a chant up about how brilliant our clearly stated policies are.

 

Vitesse Arnhem seemed to think our club has acted without recourse

 

Southampton FC has taken up an absolut correct position and is not to blame for the possible fall through of the transfer.
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Reynoldson!!

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Looks like it is back on, according to the Dutch press:

 

http://www.sportdome.nl/Nieuws/49994-Groen-licht-voor-transfer-B%C3%BCttner-naar-Southampton.html

 

google translation:

 

Only problems with the medical examination can still throw a spanner in the transfer of the Alexander Büttner Vitesse to Southampton. Earlier this week threatened a third party that additional requirements proposed direction Vitesse transition to unsettle. According to the AD that problem is now resolved, so Büttner final glance at England can focus. The player will be tested today or tomorrow.

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