SNOWY Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Do you really think either club gives a f*ck about fans speculating on a mong board as to what might have happened? No. But I bet Vitesse aren't happy about having to make official statements on their own site about this.
the saint in winchester Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Just read the BBC report on this. My view is that this is entirely a matter between the player and the third party. If any third party, or fourth party, wants a sum paid then the player has to fund it, not the two clubs who have negotiated the deal in good faith.
ART Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Well Vitesse have now signed patrick Van Aanholt, a left back on loan from Chelsea for the season... Maybe Van Aanholt or Chelsea is the third party. Maybe they were holding up the loan deal which effected whether Buttner was free to leave Vitesse.
Saint Martini Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 In this article it says that it was Büttner that informed Vitesse that there was a third party wanting money. My best guess is that its some former agent wanting a piece of the pie and that Büttner can't get out of it.
Saint Garrett Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 If he is that bothered about coming to Southampton, then he will sort out his private issue with his former/current agent/third party ownership. If he's not willing, he's clearly not bothered about being here therefore we should go after someone else.
PaulGilchrist_76 Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Surely this is something that should have been discussed earlier in negotiations. Cortese can't be happy with this! Are protracted transfers the 'Southampton Way' of doing things?
S-Clarke Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Surely this is something that should have been discussed earlier in negotiations. Cortese can't be happy with this! Are protracted transfers the 'Southampton Way' of doing things? Nope, just the ''Football way'' of doing things. There isn't any transfer in the world which is straight forward, trust me. There are so many niggly bits of paper, and clauses to go through before anything can happen. This has just been released into the media, that's all. If it wasn't for his club this would still be a 'rumored' interest, and we wouldn't be panicking etc. All of what Vitesse have said should really have stayed behind closed doors if we're honest.
PaulGilchrist_76 Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Nope, just the ''Football way'' of doing things. There isn't any transfer in the world which is straight forward, trust me. There are so many niggly bits of paper, and clauses to go through before anything can happen. This has just been released into the media, that's all. If it wasn't for his club this would still be a 'rumored' interest, and we wouldn't be panicking etc. All of what Vitesse have said should really have stayed behind closed doors if we're honest. I don't think anyone is panicking - our foreign imports have been a bit hit & miss anyway. Besides, we have about a million other left backs at the club.
Matthew Le God Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 All is not lost... Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport Had chat tonight with Alex Buttner's agent , & tech dir'tor at Vitesse - putting it out for @BBCRadioSolent 0720 sport in morning #saintsfc Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport One headline from Buttner's agent: thinks deal can still happen, 3rd party issues resolved, he says. #saintsfc in control of deal.
itchen_dan Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 bigadamsport: And finally on Buttner deal - #saintsfc could make all my work redundant and announce deal is done or off first thing in the morning!!
krissyboy31 Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Peter White @peterwhite_1 OK Saints fans will put you out of your misery. Buttner deal broken down because his dad, not any agent, wants a slice of the fee #saintsfc
maysie Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Peter White @peterwhite_1 OK Saints fans will put you out of your misery. Buttner deal broken down because his dad, not any agent, wants a slice of the fee #saintsfc Hmmm... Me: Dad I've got a new job Dad: Can I have some money Me: No
Dig Dig Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Peter White @peterwhite_1 OK Saints fans will put you out of your misery. Buttner deal broken down because his dad, not any agent, wants a slice of the fee #saintsfc Typical pikey
Badger Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Peter White @peterwhite_1 OK Saints fans will put you out of your misery. Buttner deal broken down because his dad, not any agent, wants a slice of the fee #saintsfc Is his dad Mark Chamberlain as well ?
SO16_Saint Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Is his dad Mark Chamberlain as well ? Made me lol
Saint Charlie Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Typical pikey Heard a snippet tonight that might make you change your mind Dave.
Matthew Le God Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Heard a snippet tonight that might make you change your mind Dave. Going to tell us?
Dig Dig Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Heard a snippet tonight that might make you change your mind Dave. Still don't buy it Ron, can't see how this deal would be dependant upon that. Interesting though.
Turkish Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 This is the most ridiculous reason for a transfer breakdown I've ever heard.
Matthew Le God Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 (edited) This is the most ridiculous reason for a transfer breakdown I've ever heard. I agree, hard to believe that is the real reason if it really has broken down. Adam Blackmore's Tweets where he gives details of an interview he held with Buttner's agent saying he thinks "the deal can still happen, 3rd party issues resolved and Southampton in control of deal" seem more credible. Edited 10 July, 2012 by Matthew Le God
modern matron Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Frankly what a load of ********! All this crypticc nudge nudge crap is ridiculous. If you know either keep it to yourself or post it on here............or maybe you all feel a little bit important.
CB Fry Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Not Peter White the blind Solent/Radio 4 presenter, surely? Always comes across as thoroughly good chap, great broadcaster and Saints fan.
modern matron Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 I agree, hard to believe that is the real reason if it really has broken down. Adam Blackmore's Tweets where he give details of an interview he held with Buttner's agent saying he thinks "the deal can still happen, 3rd party issues resolved and Southampton in control of deal" seem more credible. With respect MLG you really get off on this don't you - all the secrecy you love it...
CB Fry Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Not Peter White the blind Solent/Radio 4 presenter, surely? Always comes across as thoroughly good chap, great broadcaster and Saints fan. Just looked on twitter and clearly not him. Thought that transfer rumours were beneath him... Apologies for having a conversation with myself on here. Should have at least changed to one of my many other logins but couldn't be bothered.
maysie Posted 10 July, 2012 Posted 10 July, 2012 Not Peter White the blind Solent/Radio 4 presenter, surely? Always comes across as thoroughly good chap, great broadcaster and Saints fan. Just looked on twitter and clearly not him. Thought that transfer rumours were beneath him... There you go looks like you were talking to me now, no one else does.
Turkish Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Frankly what a load of ********! All this crypticc nudge nudge crap is ridiculous. If you know either keep it to yourself or post it on here............or maybe you all feel a little bit important. Don't worry I am ITK as well, you have a PM.
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Hats off to Vitesse for taking the time to let their fans know exactly what is happening with one of their star players. I am sure their fans appreciate the honesty and the communication. I know we all support a far more progessive club and not being told anything at all is, like, so enlightened and foward thinking and really amazing. But maybe I'm stuck in the past and like a club trying to communicate with fans. Even if it is, like, sooo Eighties.
Quickfire Double Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Hats off to Vitesse for taking the time to let their fans know exactly what is happening with one of their star players. I am sure their fans appreciate the honesty and the communication. I know we all support a far more progessive club and not being told anything at all is, like, so enlightened and foward thinking and really amazing. But maybe I'm stuck in the past and like a club trying to communicate with fans. Even if it is, like, sooo Eighties. You're absolutely right. I think there should be a section on the OS tied into a social media feed where every action the club takes in respect of a player not currently contracted to Saints is disclosed to the public immediately, as soon as it's taken. Maybe even before if possible...
Norm Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 You're absolutely right. I think there should be a section on the OS tied into a social media feed where every action the club takes in respect of a player not currently contracted to Saints is disclosed to the public immediately, as soon as it's taken. Maybe even before if possible... Great idea! Most sensible post for ............................ ages.
Greenridge Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 You're absolutely right. I think there should be a section on the OS tied into a social media feed where every action the club takes in respect of a player not currently contracted to Saints is disclosed to the public immediately, as soon as it's taken. Maybe even before if possible... Great idea but the font would probably the wrong size or style.
itchen_dan Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Deal is now down to Saints wrapping it up according to his agent. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/9809212.B__ttner_move_now_down_to_Saints__claims_agent/
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Deal is now down to Saints wrapping it up according to his agent. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/9809212.B__ttner_move_now_down_to_Saints__claims_agent/ Yeah, and this is the worst message of the lot. Its fallen through because NC has tired very quickly of the sh*t, I reckon. We all know he gives short shrift to these sort of shennanigans (rightly so, imo).
Saint Charlie Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Agent: My gut feel is will still happen http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18794285
Wes Tender Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Hats off to Vitesse for taking the time to let their fans know exactly what is happening with one of their star players. I am sure their fans appreciate the honesty and the communication. I know we all support a far more progessive club and not being told anything at all is, like, so enlightened and foward thinking and really amazing. But maybe I'm stuck in the past and like a club trying to communicate with fans. Even if it is, like, sooo Eighties. But it isn't as if our club don't let us know through the media what is happening to our star players who are the subject of media speculation, is it? I seem to recall quite a lot of comment from us along the lines that we don't want to sell Luke Shaw. Or did I dream it?
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Hats off to Vitesse for taking the time to let their fans know exactly what is happening with one of their star players. I am sure their fans appreciate the honesty and the communication. I know we all support a far more progessive club and not being told anything at all is, like, so enlightened and foward thinking and really amazing. But maybe I'm stuck in the past and like a club trying to communicate with fans. Even if it is, like, sooo Eighties. Not sure other clubs would like us to be publishing stories about their players. Would you have liked it if Arsenal were officially communicating to their fans about Walcott or Ox before they had officially signed?
Turkish Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Yeah, and this is the worst message of the lot. Its fallen through because NC has tired very quickly of the sh*t, I reckon. We all know he gives short shrift to these sort of shennanigans (rightly so, imo). The fact that the agent is putting the pressure on saints isn't a good sign and we all know how our leader reacts to being put under pressure from agents and players.
Thedelldays Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Oh, I see the knives are out for NC over this in a sly way
Thedelldays Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Hats off to Vitesse for taking the time to let their fans know exactly what is happening with one of their star players. I am sure their fans appreciate the honesty and the communication. I know we all support a far more progessive club and not being told anything at all is, like, so enlightened and foward thinking and really amazing. But maybe I'm stuck in the past and like a club trying to communicate with fans. Even if it is, like, sooo Eighties. Must have dreamt the club saying shaw is going nowhere Who else have our better players/prospects been linked with
SaintRichmond Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 The fact that the agent is putting the pressure on saints isn't a good sign and we all know how our leader reacts to being put under pressure from agents and players. I would like to think that Nicola would put the fact that we WANTED the player in the first place way above all the politics that has gone on
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Oh, I see the knives are out for NC over this in a sly way Paranoid. If this deal doesnt go through because NC has dug his heels in, I shall applaud him.
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 But it isn't as if our club don't let us know through the media what is happening to our star players who are the subject of media speculation, is it? I seem to recall quite a lot of comment from us along the lines that we don't want to sell Luke Shaw. Or did I dream it? Not sure other clubs would like us to be publishing stories about their players. Would you have liked it if Arsenal were officially communicating to their fans about Walcott or Ox before they had officially signed? Well my point was generally aimed at those on this thread suggesting Vitesse should adopt this 'Southampton Way". In reality Vitesse have done the right thing - it looks like they have agreed a fee to sell this player to us and that is what they have told their fans. I would expect Saints to do the same thing. Whether they would or not is debatable.
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 I would like to think that Nicola would put the fact that we WANTED the player in the first place way above all the politics that has gone on Normally agree with you, but not on this one. NC has set his stall out to players, clubs and agents : Don't f**k with me. I am perfectly happy with that.
Minty Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 There was one other fairly significant deal that almost didn't happen, because of some to-ing and fro-ing, with a few public statements not helping, but we still got our man... Nigel Adkins himself. I reckon if we really want the player, we'll sign him.
Saint Charlie Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 Normally agree with you, but not on this one. NC has set his stall out to players, clubs and agents : Don't f**k with me. I am perfectly happy with that. Think most people are. But equally, those same people will then moan when we have only made 2 signings with only a month until the first game when Reading have made 5. Cortese can't win. If we really want Buttner we will put up with the situation, deal with it and seal the deal. If we aren't so bothered and the alarm bells ring then we will drop out.
Dig Dig Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 The issue was only between Vitesse and the player/agent. All this speculation that NC will suddenly pull out because of it is nonesense, no matter how much people would like to believe that to be the case. Why don't people wait and see what happens before sharpening their daggers ready for NC. The club have done nothing wrong here.
alpine_saint Posted 11 July, 2012 Posted 11 July, 2012 There was one other fairly significant deal that almost didn't happen, because of some to-ing and fro-ing, with a few public statements not helping, but we still got our man... Nigel Adkins himself. I reckon if we really want the player, we'll sign him. Maybe it will come down to how much NA really wants him. Personally, I think we have options in Büttner's positons already. If NA and NC are more focused on the GK and CB positions now, they may well let this one drop.
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