solentstars Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Ah, Cameron only cared about looking good when he was outside of power. I think he's forgotten that he needs votes to retain it. I think he fed up with most of his party who still live in the last century lie groves and would rather look to the past rather than the future. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 From this issue of Private Eye: David Cameron's call for a cut in housing benefit for the under-25s may be popular with his backbenchers, but how many of them remember the last time a Conservative government tried something similar? In the late 1980s the Thatcher government introduced a range of benefit cuts for the under-25s, and withdrew income support for the under-18s, the idea being as now that they would have to move back home with their parents. However, many did not have a mum and dad, others had been forced to leave and some had left because of abuse. The result was a surge in youth homelessness. So it'd seem we've had a go at it before. Last time, it was under-18s, who as a group of people, are probably more able to return home than the under-25s up for consideration today. There is less time for family circumstances to change, such as parents moving to smaller place, etc. For the record, do we have anyone who supports the idea of removing Housing Benefit from the under-25s? IDS was on the Today programme the other morning and was careful to stress it wouldn't be wholesale (i.e. not everyone under 25) but aimed at those unwilling to work or at least seek to find work. Low paid under 25's, for example would not suffer. But as with all policy changes, the Conservatives have fallen foul of not really thinking through the detail and also failing to gauge the immediate questions that will be asked, instead hoping for a quick "hurrah!" amongst party rank and file. Pretty daft IMHO, much the same as Ed ****** and his "don't know what i'd do to make the economy right, but the Coalition is doing wrong" gaffe last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Interesting You Gov poll data out today on the back of the Under 25's HB thing: Voting intentions for 18-24 yr olds: Con - 9, Lab 71, Libs (who fu.cking cares) (All ages: Con 31, Lab 45) Doesn't mean shyte. I was a dyed-in-the-wool marxist when i was at Uni! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Doesn't mean shyte. I was a dyed-in-the-wool marxist when i was at Uni! What went wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 What went wrong? Cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 I was a dyed-in-the-wool marxist when i was at Uni! So was that uber fat-cat Eric Pickles, when he was at school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Doesn't appear as if the young have much love for the Conservatives. Dangerous long-term play, imo. The Tories are obviously putting all their eggs in the pensioner basket. Not even sure that'll work, to be honest. First it assumes that all pensioners are self-interested and happy with their current lot. Next, you can only play that game for so long. Pensioners eventually pop off their mortal coil, whereas the young are going to be around for another 60 years. 2015 may be the last election that the Conservatives have a reasonable chance of winning. A lot of their support is literally dying off, and they're sticking two fingers up to the potential replacements. Ah I still fondly remember the election of 1997 the University I work at was covered in Labour posters students cheering on Blair to victory... that same year labour abolished student grants, brought in the first £1000 tution fees and started forcing student loans on to students......hell of a way to pay back the young voters:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Since when have young people ever voted Conservative? That's an actual question too, if anyone has the stats. A conservative supporter my age is a bit of a rarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Since when have young people ever voted Conservative? That's an actual question too, if anyone has the stats. A conservative supporter my age is a bit of a rarity. Well apparently Conservative Future is the Largest political youth group in the country with 15,000 members so some youngsters are going blue http://www.conservativefuture.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Well apparently Conservative Future is the Largest political youth group in the country with 15,000 members so some youngsters are going blue http://www.conservativefuture.com/ That doesn't really tell us anything though because political membership is defunct in young people. They just like on Facebook instead. Tbh, most aren't that politically engaged anyway, but seem to have a broad distrust of the conservative party, and now to a large extent the Liberal Democrats as well which only really leaves Labour or the Greens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 and what would have labour done any different to what is being done now... oh that's is right, they would have done exactly the same for every 7 out of 8 quid cut as for anything else...oh yeah, they won't tell us Andrew Neil, who is fast becoming the best interviewer on TV, interviewed Douglas Alexander on The Daily Politics. Alexander repeated the same old tired cliché (obviously on message) of cuts being "too fast, too deep". Neil then pointed out that the cuts amounted to 0.8% of GDP, "yet this is too deep"? he questioned. Alexander was just waffling on, whilst Neil keep on questioning him "if 0.8% is too deep, what is the right level of cuts"? Of course an answer was not forthcoming. These Labour chumps really do try and take people for fools, dont they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Andrew Neil, who is fast becoming the best interviewer on TV, interviewed Douglas Alexander on The Daily Politics. Alexander repeated the same old tired cliché (obviously on message) of cuts being "too fast, too deep". Neil then pointed out that the cuts amounted to 0.8% of GDP, "yet this is too deep"? he questioned. Alexander was just waffling on, whilst Neil keep on questioning him "if 0.8% is too deep, what is the right level of cuts"? Of course an answer was not forthcoming. These Labour chumps really do try and take people for fools, dont they? He also argued though, that their continued spending for one extra year would have allowed the recovery to last a bit longer(as it did in the US) and then start the cuts. All they are really arguing over is a 1 year delay in cuts, and then 1/8th extra between the tories and labour. Whether it would have made much difference, I don't know. It did for the US, but then their economy is very different to ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Andrew Neil, who is fast becoming the best interviewer on TV, interviewed Douglas Alexander on The Daily Politics. Alexander repeated the same old tired cliché (obviously on message) of cuts being "too fast, too deep". Neil then pointed out that the cuts amounted to 0.8% of GDP, "yet this is too deep"? he questioned. Alexander was just waffling on, whilst Neil keep on questioning him "if 0.8% is too deep, what is the right level of cuts"? Of course an answer was not forthcoming. These Labour chumps really do try and take people for fools, dont they? obsessedwithlabour.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 obsessedwithlabour.com You noticed that to ha ha so much for being independantly minded but not supriseing he loves a one trick pony. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 makingupdomainnamesforcomicalleffectissolastdecade.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Since when have young people ever voted Conservative? That's an actual question too, if anyone has the stats. A conservative supporter my age is a bit of a rarity. Young people in voting against common sense shocker.... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 28 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 28 June, 2012 makingupdomainnamesforcomicalleffectissolastdecade.com I am a child of the 70s, so I believe I'm ahead of the curve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Andrew Neil, who is fast becoming the best interviewer on TV, interviewed Douglas Alexander on The Daily Politics. Alexander repeated the same old tired cliché (obviously on message) of cuts being "too fast, too deep". Neil then pointed out that the cuts amounted to 0.8% of GDP, "yet this is too deep"? he questioned. Alexander was just waffling on, whilst Neil keep on questioning him "if 0.8% is too deep, what is the right level of cuts"? Of course an answer was not forthcoming. These Labour chumps really do try and take people for fools, dont they? Supposedly (according to some commentators and economists Ive heard speak) the problem for the economy is not really the 0.8% but that the political rhetoric designed to justify those cuts is scaring the consumer and pushing them into economically unhelpful behaviours such as curtailing spending, paying down debt and saving more - thereby taking far more than 0.8% out of the economy and preventing growth. Despite unemployment and wage freezes many, perhaps most, people are actually better off than during the boom. Mortgage rates and gas & electric for example are far lower than three years ago - but people dont want to spend because they lack confidence. Confidence is as important as austerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Quite right Tim of Buctoo. Confidence takes years to establish but can be shattered in a moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 makingupdomainnamesforcomicalleffectissolastdecade.com What would you suggest? A Toryboy app that leads you through the magical land of Whataboutery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 What would you suggest? A Toryboy app that leads you through the magical land of Whataboutery? Ooh....yes please...that would go nicely with my Whataboutery t-shirt and matching Whataboutery jock-strap and buttock waxing set Obsessedwithwhataboutery.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Well apparently Conservative Future is the Largest political youth group in the country with 15,000 members so some youngsters are going blue http://www.conservativefuture.com/ The political development of a young woman : "She started out Conservative, became too Liberal, and ended up in Labour" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Since when have young people ever voted Conservative? Although I also voted BNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 June, 2012 Share Posted 28 June, 2012 Ooh....yes please...that would go nicely with my Whataboutery t-shirt and matching Whataboutery jock-strap and buttock waxing set Obsessedwithwhataboutery.com And with that insight into your world, I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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