is lambert good enough for the prem?

[wild-saint]

watching andy carrol carry englands hopes this evening, i would have to say its a no brainer.

 

is andy really the future of england up front. i wouldnt swap carrol and 5 million for SRL to be honest. crap touch and poor passing summed up his evening. i have a feeling rickie may have offered more up front and would be a cert for a pen. biased rose tinted specs maybe but im sure the ball would have stuck up fromt far better in the second half.

[Wiggles31]

Lambert will be fine next season. FACT.

[hypochondriac]

watching andy carrol carry englands hopes this evening, i would have to say its a no brainer.

 

is andy really the future of england up front. i wouldnt swap carrol and 5 million for SRL to be honest. crap touch and poor passing summed up his evening. i have a feeling rickie may have offered more up front and would be a cert for a pen. biased rose tinted specs maybe but im sure the ball would have stuck up fromt far better in the second half.

 

Absolute rubbish. Carrol was really decent when he came on IMO. Held the ball up really well, offered another option and did more when he came on than the odious Rooney.

[Pat from Poole]

You've been drinking haven't you, sir?

[S-Clarke]

Carroll was excellent when he came on and held the ball up, which Rooney couldn't do for toffee.

 

Andy is the future, and is an international class player. Lambert is our legend, but he isn't an international class player.

 

Always predictable to see these sort of posts, or ''We could beat them''. No we couldn't, even on that showing they would beat us 9.9times out of 10.

 

All this lower league winning seems to have gone to some peoples heads! The gulf is huge...

[LostBoys]

Have you watched 'two halves' Welbeck who at least has promise and the rest of the Manure players tonight.

[Wiggles31]

Shock horror CF wins a few headers in the air.

[Wiggles31]

I mean lets be honest Carroll is average.

 

Never an international player in his current form. Crouch would have been a much better option, even Holt would have been.

[Whitey Grandad]

There were a lot of very average players out there tonight, and even they were playing below average.

[Jack]

I thought Carroll was sh*t. Yes, he won a few headers, as he should at his height. However, I don't remember a single one finding a team mate. Plus he should be automatically omitted from the squad for having such a sh*t, greasy hair do.

[krissyboy31]

I mean lets be honest Carroll is average.

 

Never an international player in his current form. Crouch would have been a much better option, even Holt would have been.

Agree with all of that except the Carroll is average bit. He ain't that good!!

[Gemmel]

LOL.... Carroll wqas very good tonight and in the first half against Sweden he was unplayable.

 

Rickie is a good player, but he is not at Carroll's level.

 

 

Watch Carroll's goal against Sweden ( It is World class) ....Would Rickie have scored that

[S-Clarke]

I thought Carroll was sh*t. Yes, he won a few headers, as he should at his height. However, I don't remember a single one finding a team mate. Plus he should be automatically omitted from the squad for having such a sh*t, greasy hair do.

 

The players were too far away from him, Rooney was nowhere near his flick ons. That's where the problem lies. He was much more effective than wonderboy Rooney.

[Saint_clark]

I mean lets be honest Carroll is average.

 

Never an international player in his current form. Crouch would have been a much better option, even Holt would have been.

 

Don't be so blinkered.

[wild-saint]

Carroll was excellent when he came on and held the ball up, which Rooney couldn't do for toffee.

 

Andy is the future, and is an international class player. Lambert is our legend, but he isn't an international class player.

 

Always predictable to see these sort of posts, or ''We could beat them''. No we couldn't, even on that showing they would beat us 9.9times out of 10.

 

All this lower league winning seems to have gone to some peoples heads! The gulf is huge...

 

i never said we would beat them. i merely commented on carrol as the future of england fowards. he won his headers sure but his alround game for me is not international standard imo and as such i fee justified in commenting that srl would have offeredd more.

 

if carrol is that great why wasnt he confident enough to stand up an slot one in from 12 yards?

 

the gulf aint that great between our side (particularly our best players) and andy carrol. im not comparimg any body with italy here ffs

[Thedelldays]

lets see if lambert will score 10 league goals yet this season....

[Rut]

Watch Carroll's goal against Sweden ( It is World class) ....Would Rickie have scored that

 

Rickie would have chested it down to his c#ck, dummied it a couple of times (making sure that one of the dummies made the keeper knock himself out on the post), flicked it up & put it in off his a#se.

 

FFS - you saying Carroll is a top class player cos he headed in a great cross? An AFC Totton player would have got his neck around that one.

 

Roll on Brazil 2014. Rickie & Adam to proudly wear the 3 Lions.

[wild-saint]

lets see if lambert will score 10 league goals yet this season....

 

or 4 like carrol

[Dig Dig]

Yes he is good enough. Better player than Carroll and I don't care what anyone says.

 

Why are people saying carroll was excellent? Gave the ball away far more than he "held it up", is about as mobile as my nan and can't even run with the ball FFS. Sheer physically is the only reason the guy is anywhere near a football pitch.

 

Lambert is class, why would he suddenly stop having an awesome first touch, vision and finishing in the prem?

[aintforever]

Lambert will easily be good enough for the Prem.

[teacher]

I thought Andy Carroll played well tonight. Unfortunately he was playing along side an unfit Rooney who should have never been near the team!

[corsacar saint]

In answer to your question,which most on the thread have totally ignored,I see no reason why Rickie should not have a very good season in the premier league.

[Saint Fan CaM]

One thing to say about this - you cannot compare what a player does in the Prem to what he might do for England. Why? Because in the Prem he is surrounded by players of better quality from other countries and they make ALL English players look better than they actually are. Rooney is a perfect example of this.

 

I don't care to look up the stats, but just count how many English players are currently playing for the 1st teams of clubs in the top Spanish, German, Portuguese and Italian leagues. Compare that to the percentage of foriegn players in the Prem and it will tell you all you need to know.

 

English football is still poor by comparison and until someone starts sorting out it out we will continue to fail against the above mentioned teams. Trouble is its a massive ask and will require balls of steel to turn things around.

[S-Clarke]

One thing to say about this - you cannot compare what a player does in the Prem to what he might do for England. Why? Because in the Prem he is surrounded by players of better quality from other countries and they make ALL English players look better than they actually are. Rooney is a perfect example of this.

 

I don't care to look up the stats, but just count how many English players are currently playing for the 1st teams of clubs in the top Spanish, German, Portuguese and Italian leagues. Compare that to the percentage of foriegn players in the Prem and it will tell you all you need to know.

 

English football is still poor by comparison and until someone starts sorting out it out we will continue to fail against the above mentioned teams. Trouble is its a massive ask and will require balls of steel to turn things around.

 

This...!

[ericofarabia]

Yes he is good enough. Better player than Carroll and I don't care what anyone says.

 

Why are people saying carroll was excellent? Gave the ball away far more than he "held it up", is about as mobile as my nan and can't even run with the ball FFS. Sheer physically is the only reason the guy is anywhere near a football pitch.

 

Lambert is class, why would he suddenly stop having an awesome first touch, vision and finishing in the prem?

 

Lost count the amount of times (not just towards AC) that we said SRL would have done better ... Red and White Beer Googles ahoy ... but still the truth!!

[Saint-Armstrong]

I thought Carroll did well.

 

Some great first touches and brought others into play. I was more frustrated with Rooney who kept wasting Big Andy's knock-downs.

[Saint_lambden]

What's the obsession with comparing Lambert and Carroll? Similar players yes, but they'll be playing for sides with such conflicting aims and objectives next season. One's 30 years old, the other 23.

 

Give Lambert a chance first. We don't know if he's good enough for the Premier League yet because he's never played a game at the level before. He'll have the faith of the manager and his team-mates so instead of creating threads such as...:

 

• "Is Adkins good enough?"
  
• "Is Lambert good enough?"
  

 

 

...every summer, get behind them to give them the belief that they are good enough. Rant over.

[Turkish]

Carroll has started to look like a proper player. Overpriced but It's not his fault "King Kenny" spent £35m on him. I'm sure a lot of the clowns on here will persist with the "he's sh*te" mantra though.

 

And as already said why the obsession with comparing him to Lambert? Lambert will be fine in the Premier league, but let's not kid ourselves he's even close to being an England player.

[Danbert]

Absolute rubbish. Carrol was really decent when he came on IMO. Held the ball up really well, offered another option and did more when he came on than the odious Rooney.

 

I also thought Carrol put in a good shift, and his headed goal against Sweden was out of this world. I was also surprised that Carrol came on for Welbeck - Rooney, the utter ***t, did nothing all game.

[Dig Dig]

Carroll has started to look like a proper player. Overpriced but It's not his fault "King Kenny" spent £35m on him. I'm sure a lot of the clowns on here will persist with the "he's sh*te" mantra though.

 

And as already said why the obsession with comparing him to Lambert? Lambert will be fine in the Premier league, but let's not kid ourselves he's even close to being an England player.

 

What does a proper player look like?

[theyin]

Carroll, great header v Sweden but still think Crouch should've gone.

 

SRL? Well I'll leave you lot to fight that one out.

[Viking Warrior]

Strange thread title again . I thought it was another knock a saints player thread . Hy not is our SRL could enough for England . The answer for me is yes . He has an Alround game . Holds the ball up sets other players up . Defends . Is determined . His positional play is brilliant oh and he scores goals with both feet and his head . Yep for me should be in the England squad

[BlakeySFC]

Never have rated Carroll.

 

He scored 19 in the FLC with Newcastle if I remember rightly, SRL scored 27 in the FLC last season...says it all really.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I thought Andy Carroll played well tonight. Unfortunately he was playing along side an unfit Rooney who should have never been near the team!

 

Fair comment.

 

Andy Carroll very obviously won the ball in the air very effectively and he might well have posed a big problem (pun intended) for the Italian defence had we still possessed any remotely mobile striker up front to reap the benefits. By that time however Rooney's legs were gone. Lumping it up to the big man is a unsophisticated - stone age almost - way of playing, but as every man and his dog can plainly see our real problem is that we just can't keep retention of the ball adequately. Running hard to regain possession virtually all the game will eventually wear down even the fittest of players.

 

It was ever thus with our National team.

 

As for comparing Sir Ricky with Andy Carroll, well only time will tell who is the more effective this coming season. However if Liverpool where to come knocking on our door tomorrow with a player swap proposal then I must say I'd probably take it. Not that I believe for one second any such thing is at all likely you understand.

[dronskisaint]

Lambert has the touch, vision and skill for the PL - all of these in greater quantities than Carroll but he has 7 years to catch up to Ricky's level!

 

Pace of play may be the question mark in the Prem - I can see him being best utilised in a slightly deeper role to let his ability to send perfectly weighted incisive balls through to the faster forwards...ideal Lee, Roriguez and our favourite goal poacher to feed off.

[alpine_saint]

I took massive heart about our Premiership survivability from Englands performance last night.

 

That was supposed to be the best the English game has to offer. In a straight-up game Saints would have beaten England. Of that I have no doubt whatsoever. Our defence should not be scared of Rooney, he's just plain f**king sh*t, and imo detracted from the teams performance.

 

However, that nagging doubt about whether England players give their all on a nominal fee, and a club season looming to avoid getting injured for, remains. Maybe we will never see the real players in an England shirt.

 

But if I were NA I would be saying to the team pre-match to remember these guys are NOT footballing gods, they were crap in Kiev, and we have earned the right with their battling, team ethic and talent to play at the same level as them.

[eurosaint]

One thing to say about this - you cannot compare what a player does in the Prem to what he might do for England. Why? Because in the Prem he is surrounded by players of better quality from other countries and they make ALL English players look better than they actually are. Rooney is a perfect example of this.

 

I don't care to look up the stats, but just count how many English players are currently playing for the 1st teams of clubs in the top Spanish, German, Portuguese and Italian leagues. Compare that to the percentage of foriegn players in the Prem and it will tell you all you need to know.

 

English football is still poor by comparison and until someone starts sorting out it out we will continue to fail against the above mentioned teams. Trouble is its a massive ask and will require balls of steel to turn things around.

 

I think that may have something to do with the big money available to them over here though ?

[Wes Tender]

Anyone doing that well in the championship is good enough for the top flight. Doesn't mean they'll be the best up there, or even average, but certainly good enough to take part in that league.

 

Lambert is technically very good. Carroll offers similar in the air but far less overall. Hard to tell people outside Southampton that though as too many fans big up their own players. Just happens in this case it's true.

 

I agree. Carroll is just a brute and doesn't have as much to offer in his all round game as Lambert. Lambert will be fine in the Premiership, as was Holt. And Lambert is the better striker between those two.

 

Yesterday I don't think that we got it right. Rooney shouldn't have stayed on the pitch, as he was obviously short of a yard or two and didn't threaten all night. Personally I would have had Defoe on instead. Also in future, nobody called Ashley should be allowed to take a penalty.

[PhilippineSaint]

Carroll was excellent when he came on and held the ball up, which Rooney couldn't do for toffee.

 

And Rooney is Shiite overated overpaid and should be retired with Terry, Gerrard, and anybody else who has not come through the Saints Acadamy

[Thedelldays]

I took massive heart about our Premiership survivability from Englands performance last night.

 

That was supposed to be the best the English game has to offer. In a straight-up game Saints would have beaten England. Of that I have no doubt whatsoever. Our defence should not be scared of Rooney, he's just plain f**king sh*t, and imo detracted from the teams performance.

 

However, that nagging doubt about whether England players give their all on a nominal fee, and a club season looming to avoid getting injured for, remains. Maybe we will never see the real players in an England shirt.

 

But if I were NA I would be saying to the team pre-match to remember these guys are NOT footballing gods, they were crap in Kiev, and we have earned the right with their battling, team ethic and talent to play at the same level as them.

 

Don't you dislike like "tippy tappy" football. You have said many times

 

Tippy tappy football as you call it retains possession. Something our players ant do

[Cabrone]

Yes, I think RL is good for at leat 10 goals next season.

 

We'll soon find out.

 

PS I thought Carrol was decent last night despite the fact that England starved him of service. If you are going to play a battering ram of a player then at least give him some crosses!

[alpine_saint]

Don't you dislike like "tippy tappy" football. You have said many times

 

Tippy tappy football as you call it retains possession. Something our players ant do

 

That's just b*ll*cks, but the comment is unsurprising from you considering 99% of your posts are simply about nit-picking the comments and reasoning (which you appear incapable of) from others.

 

Tippy tappy is a sub-set of retaining posession. Its about retaining posession with as many passes as you can, including going backwards about 50 times. Half the time it works because the opposing team nearly dozes off with boredom (let alone the effect it has on spectators). Its fussy and over-verbose. Italy play the possession game, but also attempt to penetrate a helluva lot more than the boring Spanish. You start playing the posession game with passing to the foot, and controlling it when it arrives to you (something our over-paid bunch of w*nkers should have learn before sprouting pubic hair)

 

Juergen Klinsmann commented after the match last night that England not only look short of the skill to retain posession, but also the physicality to retain posession - they looked physically weak.

[PaulGilchrist_76]

Rooney and Young were both useless last night. They just seem to give up. What annoys me is that when we play Man Utd, they these same players will be busting a gut to beat us but they couldn't be bothered when playing for England. Rest of the team did the best they could. RL would at least have given it his all which is more than you can say for certain Man U players.

[alpine_saint]

Rooney and Young were both useless last night. They just seem to give up. What annoys me is that when we play Man Utd, they these same players will be busting a gut to beat us but they couldn't be bothered when playing for England. Rest of the team did the best they could. RL would at least have given it his all which is more than you can say for certain Man U players.

 

Used to be the same with Liverpool players, until their club went pants.

 

Luckily the message/brainwashing from El Demento hasnt reached Wellbeck yet.

[Saint86]

Surely this thread should be renamed to "Is Carroll good enough for England" ???

[alpine_saint]

Surely this thread should be renamed to "Is Carroll good enough for England" ???

 

Dont understand the Carroll-bashing.

 

Yes, Toon ripped Liverpools arm off at the socket, but thats not his fault. And he gave good credit of himself in Ukraine when he played, imo.

 

Better than sooooooopah-star Rooney, at least.

[PhilippineSaint]

Dont understand the Carroll-bashing.

 

Yes, Toon ripped Liverpools arm off at the socket, but thats not his fault. And he gave good credit of himself in Ukraine when he played, imo.

 

Better than sooooooopah-star Rooney, at least.

 

At least Carroll tried I think Rooney may have still been in a Kiev brothel

[alpine_saint]

At least Carroll tried I think Rooney may have still been in a Kiev brothel

 

Yeah, she's called cтарий удар.

 

LOL. That was the translation in Ukrainian for Auld Slapper, but translate it back to English again and you get "Cottage kick"

[Viking Warrior]

I cannot make judgement on any of the england players as i didnt watch them once. My boycott of the England team continues

 

Hoddle and vegatables you have a lot to answer for

[shurlock]

Carroll was poor - less subtle than a geordie on the pull. Winning the ball is one thing; genuinely bringing others into play is another.

Hodgson got it wrong with 4-4-2 -should have played a diamond or crowded the midfield both to neuter Italy and give Carroll/Rooney more support. Very few international teams play with out and out wingers, so going narrow has fewer risks.

Hodgson's a lucky boy that he's english. Almost feel sorry for Capello and Sven.