Crazy Diamond Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 (edited) One for the historians or those of us who like our football history. Documentary here on Sir Alf Ramsay, in which they discuss his time at Saints. Ted Bates is interviewed. I've tried to nail the exact time of when we feature in the video but it's temperamental from experience - if it doesn't work, fast forward to 7:35. You should be greeted by a red and white striped SFC flag and players practicing in what looks like the Dell's car park (I could be wrong, this was filmed 30 years before I was born, 1969). Features interviews with a few ex-Saints (apologies, I don't know who they are!) and his old landlady from his house on Milton Road. Edited 22 June, 2012 by Crazy Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Donovan Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 I wonder if the current occupants of 89 Milton road have any idea that sir alf Ramsey used to live there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 2 of the old players being interviewed were Bill Ellerington (still alive) and George Horsfall who became Ted Bates' bucket man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 the training in the Dell car park, did that happen a lot and around what year did they stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 ...being of a generation that can recall all this; it was a lot of fun watching - and listening- to Ramsey and others on football in the 1960's. Of course we can all smile; at the kit they wore, the style of play, the state of the pitches and Alf's wonderfully " ethical stance on unfair play" but it's a history lesson in itself, and I for one am glad you found it . THX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 the training in the Dell car park, did that happen a lot and around what year did they stop? I can recall seeing training sessions in the Dell car park, but I think they eventually built a small gym behind the West Stand ...sometimes in the 1970's....although the outdoor training still carried on until more permanent facilities were found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 (edited) Ted Bates is interviewed. I've tried to nail the exact time of when we feature in the video but it's temperamental from experience - if it doesn't work, fast forward to 7:35. You should be greeted by a red and white striped SFC flag and players practicing in what looks like the Dell's car park (I could be wrong, this was filmed 30 years before I was born, 1969). QUOTE] I think there's a clue here. The later parts of the film seem to date around 1970 - as they refer to Ted Bates as still being manager of Southampton - which he was until Lawrie Mac took over in 1972/73. I recognised many in the England squad, but it may have been filmed earlier than that but Ramsey lost the manager's job in 1974 after the disasterous game v. Poland at Wembley, when England failed to qualify for the 74 World Cup.** ** I have yet to see a more one-sided game where England had almost total possession from the whistle. According to stats. England had 41 shots to against Poland's ..3.... yet the game ended in a 1-1 draw, and we went out of the competition at the last hurdle. Highlights can be seen on You Tube . Mick Channon played in that game.[/i] Edited 23 June, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 I was on the books of the Saints as a youngster back in the late 60's (selected at an open trial at the CPC ground at Rownhams) Played for the old A and B sides in the Hampshire league (then a decent standard) with the likes of Bobby Stokes, Paul Bennett, Bob Mcarthy etc who were young pros. Most of the rest of us were signed on amateur forms. We used to train every Tuesday and Thursday evening at the Dell. Training consisted of running round the shingle perimeter of the Dell, 5 a side in the Car park and, occasionally, using the (then) recently built gym under the West Stand. This smelt of sweat and dust. I once got kicked pretty hard by Cliff Huxford who took no prisoners, even amongst raggady arsed young wanna bees. After training us nippers would head for the bus station to get our transport home, sometimes enjoying a half a shandy in the Lord Louis and a scallding hot Plesteds Pie, if it wasnt too late. We used to get sent telegrams advising us if we were selected for games. Home games were played at the BTC ground Both Bill Ellerington and George Horsfall were involved with Saints at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 this was filmed 30 years before I was born, 1969 Are you only 13? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 2 of the old players being interviewed were Bill Ellerington (still alive) and George Horsfall who became Ted Bates' bucket man. Duncan The third ex player in the clip is Bill Stroud. Many on here may know his son, young Billy, a local character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 23 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Are you only 13? Oh blimey, no, my mistake. 20 years before I was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Duncan The third ex player in the clip is Bill Stroud. Many on here may know his son, young Billy, a local character Well-spotted, Spyinthesky, I recognised him but couldn't put a name to the face, especially as it was side on. One thing that confused me you say you were kicked by Cliff Huxford but he left in May 1967 so you must have been at the Dell earlier? Thanks for the ID of Bill who incidentally is Tony Pullis's father-in-law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Sir Alf ..."could be a major in mufty" ? Opening lines ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Was surprised to learn Sir Alf paid for elocution lessons to get rid of his strong cockney acccent, and the Geordie player talking about seemed to accept that having an accent would hold you back in life, even in in football. Thank God those days are gone (or going). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Was surprised to learn Sir Alf paid for elocution lessons to get rid of his strong cockney acccent, and the Geordie player talking about seemed to accept that having an accent would hold you back in life, even in in football. Thank God those days are gone (or going). Ramsey always denied this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Ramsey always denied this I think I detected a slight Essex dialect on the ends of some sentences. If he didn't actually take elocution lessons, then he must have got some advice and worked hard to rid himself of the obvious dialect that everyone seem to suggest he had in the post WW2 period. He certainly spoke slower and formulated his speech so as to sound a little more "classy ". This is no criticism BTW....but a lot of people do the same in.... different situations. I thought he great leadership qualities and was obviously unique as manager of an English World Cup winning side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Well-spotted, Spyinthesky, I recognised him but couldn't put a name to the face, especially as it was side on. One thing that confused me you say you were kicked by Cliff Huxford but he left in May 1967 so you must have been at the Dell earlier? Thanks for the ID of Bill who incidentally is Tony Pullis's father-in-law. I actually found my original signing on form a while ago but now can't locate it!! I think I started training at the Dell when I was in the Upper Sixth form at school, so this would have been the start of the 1966/7 season which does tie in with Cliff being at the Dell. I also remember playing one game (at BTC) when Jimmy Melia had his first game back after a knee operation. He was late and the three Pompey boys in the team at the time (George Rodgers, Roy Hambley and Bobby Stokes gave him some stick!!) Biggest crowd of the season watched the game and we all tried to make an impression on Ted Bates and the watching scouts. In my case it was a waste of time as I was never going to make it as a pro but I really enjoyed the experience. Most of us kids got to grow up quick against the older, quite physical, players in the Hants league at the time Before the home games at BTC we used to go to the Dell to collect kit and take the coach to Stoneham Lane Recollect that there used to be a uniformed Commisioner (bit like front of house at the Pictures at the time) who had to check your pass before letting you into the Players entrance It was so different those days!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxer Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 I remember when I used to live in Hill Head, early 70's, my late father was mates with a mate of Sir Alf, anyway somewhere in my Mums loft is a picture if me as a young lad shaking Alf's hand in our front garden along side my father. I really want to find that picture some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 23 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Some good stories here. Glad I posted the video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 I wonder if the current occupants of 89 Milton road have any idea that sir alf Ramsey used to live there? I walk down Milton Road every day and I never knew until now. I'll have to look at the house numbers the next time I pass through now. Great video, thanks for posting it Crazy Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st.sj Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Really enjoyed watching that. Very interesting. I was 14 in 1969. Where have those years gone? Thanks for posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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