Professor Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 (edited) Unless someone knows better, the rules are that the 25-man squad must be submitted at the end of the Transfer Window (1st Sept). The squad must contain at least 8 homegrown players – or to put it another way not more than 17 non-homegrown players. Under 21 yr old players can be included as homegrown players if necessary to reach the required 8, but any number of under-21 yr olds can be used in addition to the registered squad. Clubs may register fewer than 25 players and may well do so if they have a large number of under 21s. The club does not have to register 25 players but any not registered, unless they are under 21, will not be available for selection. Saints current squad (not their squad numbers) is as follows:- 1. GK Kelvin Davis 2. Tommy Forecast 3. RB Frazer Richardson 4. Danny Butterfield 5. CB Jose Fonte (Non Home-grown) 6. Jos Hooiveld (Non Home-Grown) 7. Dan Seaborne 8. LB Daniel Fox 9. Dan Harding 10. Ryan Dickson 11. CMF Morgan Schneiderlin 12. Dean Hammond 13. Richard Chaplow 14. Jack Cork 15. Guly do Prado (Non Home-Grown) 16. RW Steve de Ridder (Non Home-Grown) 17. Jason Puncheon 18. LW Adam Lallana 19. STR Rickie Lambert 20. Tadanari Lee (Non Home-Grown) 21. Jay Rodriguez 22. Billy Sharp 23. Lee Barnard 24. Jonathan Forte Under 21 yr-olds RB Jack Stephens LB Luke Shaw CMF Corby Moore, James Ward-Prowse RW Callum Chambers LW Ben Reeves Str Sam Hoskins With only 5(re-corrected) non-homegrown players the club has considerable freedom to look worldwide for talent but what expectations do people have for squad changes, not just which postions are favourite for new signings, but which players might be excluded from the squad or transferred. Edited 21 June, 2012 by Professor Correction re Fonte; Correction & recorrection re Morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Forecast, Dickson, Puncheon, Barnard and Forte out from that list, maybe Seaborne too depending on where he's at. Butterfield could be at risk depending who we bring in. Need at least a new keeper (probably one other but lets get an U21 for that), at least one CB (two if Seaborne goes), a CM and a winger. Maybe a right back also, and if Harding isn't deemed up to it another left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Think its safe to assume Ryan Dickson wont get a look in, Id guess Forte wont either. Isnt Fonte Non homegrown too? And possibley Morgan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Home-grown players do not have to be English; home-grown players are defined as those who "irrespective of nationality or age, have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday" Don't think Morgan qualifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 me-grown players do not have to be English; home-grown players are defined as those who "irrespective of nationality or age, have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday"Don't think Morgan qualifies. Morgan would have been 21 in November 2010 (DOB 8/11/1989, feck me I was 21 then!!), he signed for us in June 2008, before that he played in France so, using the above, he doesn't qualify as a home-grown player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Schneiderlin qualifies as home grown. He would have been registered with us for seasons 2008-09, 2009-10 and 2010-11 before hitting 21 years of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Schneiderlin qualifies as home grown. He would have been registered with us for seasons 2008-09, 2009-10 and 2010-11 before hitting 21 years of age. Methinks your maths is a little out, he was 21 at the start of the 2010 season. The rule clearly states 3 seasons or 36 months *BEFORE* his 21st birthday. On his 21st birthday he would have done 2.4 seasons/29 months!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Methinks your maths is a little out, he was 21 at the start of the 2010 season. The rule clearly states 3 seasons or 36 months *BEFORE* his 21st birthday. On his 21st birthday he would have done 2.4 seasons/29 months!! Yes but he would have been registered for his 3rd season before hitting 21, which I believe is the vital point. I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before and confirmed on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Pretty certain Morgan is homegrown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 (edited) Yes but he would have been registered for his 3rd season before hitting 21, which I believe is the vital point. I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before and confirmed on here. Pretty certain Morgan is homegrown. Not according the the Premier League website he isn't In fact Jason Puncheon is our only "home grown" player..... EDIT Now that can't be right, anyway I have just found this on the same site. A Home Grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21). Now the bit in brackets is important and would suggest that Morgan IS home grown! Edited 21 June, 2012 by Big Bad Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Good work Bob; got there in the end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Good work Bob; got there in the end! Why they couldn't have just said "prior to the end of the season during which he turns 21" in the first place is beyond me?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatvianTolix Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Schneiderlin qualifies as home grown. He would have been registered with us for seasons 2008-09, 2009-10 and 2010-11 before hitting 21 years of age. Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 21 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Adkins 'one or two' more signings is probably a figure of speech and could easily be as many as 3 or 4 to deal with GK, CB and strengthening MF&Wing. If so, if we can't off-load several of the the fringe players before the Transfer Window closes, there may be a few who are excluded from the 25 man squad. The issue over pay that has cropped up over Dickson must apply to Puncheon, Forte and Forecast, as the most likely candidates to leave, and if not, will they simply be left in limbo as non registered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintAndy14 Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Morgan is definitely home grown - FM says so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Please don't give forecast the satisfaction of being in a premier league team's 25 man squad. Surely he will not be in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Adkins 'one or two' more signings is probably a figure of speech and could easily be as many as 3 or 4 to deal with GK, CB and strengthening MF&Wing. If so, if we can't off-load several of the the fringe players before the Transfer Window closes, there may be a few who are excluded from the 25 man squad. The issue over pay that has cropped up over Dickson must apply to Puncheon, Forte and Forecast, as the most likely candidates to leave, and if not, will they simply be left in limbo as non registered. the problem with forecast is he's **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Yes but he would have been registered for his 3rd season before hitting 21, which I believe is the vital point. I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before and confirmed on here. THis and why do we discuss this every 6 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 (edited) Thanks for clarifying re: Schneiderlin. Not sure why anyone would have bothered with the "homegrown" discussion before we actually got to the Prem to be honest. Something that's just sprung to mind, with the kit launch next weekend, we must be getting a list of squad numbers pretty soon to allow people to spend the extra £12 on their Prem name and number on their new shirts. So I'm guessing we get the squad numbers in the next 7 days. Contracts flick over next weekend as well, but if the squad numbers are announced we're going to have a pretty good idea where Adkins thinks the holes in the squad are. We never did end up with a number 5 last season, but the gaps made it obvious which positions we were buying, as the number structure was pretty regimented. 1, 21, 31 GKs 2, 12, (22) RBs 3, 13, 23 LBs 4, 8, 10, 14, 18, 20 MIDs 5, 6, 15, 16, 25, 26 CBs 7, 9, 11, 17, 19 LW/RW/STs 27, 28, 29, 30, 32 upwards : Youth/late signings You could probably pencil in about 90% of the players now. In fact I'll have a go. I think Sharp and Guly will switch numbers FWIW, as both have had the other's number previously. Other than that, you wonder what they'll do with Hooiveld (regular starter, high number with lower CB numbers available), plus the "slipping down" Seaborne, Forecast (I wanted to use 101), Chaplow, Barnard, Harding, Dickson, De Ridder, maybe Hammond and Puncheon and the new pros. I doubt Kelvin will lose the #1 even if we signed a world class keeper. 1 Davis 21 ? 31 ? 41 Forecast 2 Richardson 12 Butterfield 22 J Stephens 3 Fox 13 Shaw 23 Harding 33 Dickson 4 Schneiderlin 8 Cork 11 Guly 14 Hammond 18 ? 20 Lallana 28 Chaplow 30 Ward-Prowse 42 Puncheon 5 ? 6 Fonte 15 ? 16 ? 25 ? 26 Hooiveld 35 Seaborne 7 Lambert 9 Rodriguez 10 Sharp 17 De Ridder 19 Lee 27 Chambers 29 Barnard 37 Forte Obviously we're going to need to ship a few out, and there aren't many gaps without dislodging some well-established 1-11ers apart from in defence. Edited 22 June, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Now the bit in brackets is important and would suggest that Morgan IS home grown! Yep that bit was missing from the place I got my information. Myth busted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Dovey has gone to Eastleigh. We are woefully short of keepers. Is there a youth option after Dovey? I think we need 2 asap, and maybe another youth option there too. Butland and Gordon would be good. Or Buffon. Oh yeah, slipped my mind and unsurprisingly he wasn't referenced on the BBC article I checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Think we'll see another 6 or 7 come in personally. Maybe not all big signings, but IMO we'll add: 2x GK 2x CB 1x RB 1 x RM 1 x CM you would think so obviously at least 1 keeper and 1 CB. would be amazed if we don't sign a RM and a decent CM would be nice too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 you would think so obviously at least 1 keeper and 1 CB. would be amazed if we don't sign a RM and a decent CM would be nice too Need two CBs really - assuming Seaborne not up to the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleonothing Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Does a 25 man squad have to include a certain number of players who were trained at the club/came through the acadamy? Or is that just FM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 22 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Does a 25 man squad have to include a certain number of players who were trained at the club/came through the acadamy? Or is that just FM? Home-grown players do not have to be English; home-grown players are defined as those who "irrespective of nationality or age, have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday" (BBC Sport Website) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 June, 2012 Share Posted 23 June, 2012 Think we'll see another 6 or 7 come in personally. Maybe not all big signings, but IMO we'll add: 2x GK 2x CB 1x RB 1 x RM 1 x CM I came to the same conclusion, but I still expect ANOTHER striker ..(for some reason) but no-one expects us to sign 6 players .but I do expect to see 3 or 4 more go before sept.1 (either transfers of loans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 June, 2012 Share Posted 24 June, 2012 I've been saying 4 or 5 since January, looking at the keeper gaps we're looking at 5, but it will depend on how involved Ward-Prowse, Shaw and Stephens become - looking at the numbers and my guesses at those there don't seem to be many gaps likely in the low numbers, or were going to be bumping a load of starters to to higher numbers for players we haven't signed yet. Dodgy game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 I was going to start a new thread on this topic but then remembered this one from a few weeks back. So, what is the situation now with our squad bearing in mind the purchases of Rodriguez and Davis and the expected completion of the Buttner deal? Who will be in the 25 and who won't make it? Or with the number of youngsters we have got who don't need to count in the 25, will this make no difference to our squad? Taking the list previously listed we now have a squad of exactly 25 over-21-year olds plus 7 who are under 21: Goalkeepers Kelvin Davis Tommy Forecast Right Backs Frazer Richardson Danny Butterfield Centre Backs Jose Fonte (Non Home-grown) Jos Hooiveld (Non Home-Grown) Dan Seaborne Left Backs Daniel Fox Dan Harding Ryan Dickson (rumoured to want to leave) Alexander Buttner Central Midfield Morgan Schneiderlin Dean Hammond Richard Chaplow Jack Cork Attacking Midfield/Wingers Guly do Prado (Non Home-Grown) Adam Lallana Steve de Ridder (Non Home-Grown) Jason Puncheon Strikers Rickie Lambert Tadanari Lee (Non Home-Grown) Jay Rodriguez Billy Sharp Lee Barnard Jonathan Forte Under 21 yr-olds RB Jack Stephens LB Luke Shaw CMF Corby Moore, James Ward-Prowse RW Callum Chambers LW Ben Reeves Str Sam Hoskins So, some questions: * Is this our final squad? (I don't think so personally) * If we sign some more players over 21 years old, who will drop out of the 25? I would expect Dickson and Forecast to drop out plus possibly Forte. There may also be question marks over Lee Barnard, Jason Puncheon, Steve De Ridder(??), Dan Seaborne, Dan Harding and Danny Butterfield. * So how many more will we purchase? I can't see us signing 9 more players, so some of these players will probably get a place in the squad IMO. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynoldson!! Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 ^your list has no S Davis on it, so somebody needs to be dropped already.. Dickson methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 ^your list has no S Davis on it, so somebody needs to be dropped already.. Dickson methinks Dickson,Forte,Barnard..none of them will be in the first team group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 July, 2012 Share Posted 9 July, 2012 (edited) I was going to start a new thread on this topic but then remembered this one from a few weeks back. So, what is the situation now with our squad bearing in mind the purchases of Rodriguez and Davis and the expected completion of the Buttner deal? Who will be in the 25 and who won't make it? Or with the number of youngsters we have got who don't need to count in the 25, will this make no difference to our squad? Taking the list previously listed we now have a squad of exactly 25 over-21-year olds plus 7 who are under 21: Goalkeepers Kelvin Davis Tommy Forecast Right Backs Frazer Richardson Danny Butterfield Centre Backs Jose Fonte (Non Home-grown) Jos Hooiveld (Non Home-Grown) Dan Seaborne Left Backs Daniel Fox Dan Harding Ryan Dickson (rumoured to want to leave) Alexander Buttner Central Midfield Morgan Schneiderlin Dean Hammond Richard Chaplow Jack Cork Steve Davis Attacking Midfield/Wingers Guly do Prado (Non Home-Grown) Adam Lallana Steve de Ridder (Non Home-Grown) Jason Puncheon Strikers Rickie Lambert Tadanari Lee (Non Home-Grown) Jay Rodriguez Billy Sharp Lee Barnard Jonathan Forte Under 21 yr-olds RB Jack Stephens LB Luke Shaw CMF Corby Moore, James Ward-Prowse RW Callum Chambers LW Ben Reeves Str Sam Hoskins So, some questions: * Is this our final squad? (I don't think so personally) * If we sign some more players over 21 years old, who will drop out of the 25? I would expect Dickson and Forecast to drop out plus possibly Forte. There may also be question marks over Lee Barnard, Jason Puncheon, Steve De Ridder(??), Dan Seaborne, Dan Harding and Danny Butterfield. * So how many more will we purchase? I can't see us signing 9 more players, so some of these players will probably get a place in the squad IMO. What do you think? I dont expect those in red to get squad numbers. Plenty of lattitude for squad strengthening still. GK is THE priority, imo. Then CB; we look really short there. Edited 9 July, 2012 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 I dont expect those in red to get squad numbers. Plenty of lattitude for squad strengthening still. GK is THE priority, imo. Then CB; we look really short there. Seems realistic - but it would leave 6 gaps in the squad. Would we really buy 6 more players or would we not fill our quota of 25? While they may leave as I previously mentioned, I could see Puncheon, Seaborne and Barnard staying (or a couple of them at least). This would give us (at least) three squad places to fill - probably with a keeper and two centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Question about the 25 man squad! What happens to players signed in the January window? Can you add to it or do you have to ship out players to make way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 July, 2012 Share Posted 11 July, 2012 Seems realistic - but it would leave 6 gaps in the squad. Would we really buy 6 more players or would we not fill our quota of 25? While they may leave as I previously mentioned, I could see Puncheon, Seaborne and Barnard staying (or a couple of them at least). This would give us (at least) three squad places to fill - probably with a keeper and two centre backs. Many teams last season did not name 25 players. Leaving gaps makes sense, allows signing of fee agents if needed. Forecast, Barnard, Forte & Dickson will not be in the 25-man squad. I would be surprised to see Seaborne named either. I suggest we will still sign 2 keepers, at least 1 will be u21, 2 CBs and another midfielder. So we'll probably end up with 24 or 25 named players. The squad can be changed in January, new players brought in, players previously named dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesaint Posted 12 July, 2012 Share Posted 12 July, 2012 This would be my squad - I can see three more signings. Goalkeepers: Kelvin Davis A.N.OTHER Right Backs: Frazer Richardson Danny Butterfield RB Jack Stephens Centre Backs: Jose Fonte (Non Home-grown) Jos Hooiveld (Non Home-Grown) A.N. Other Left Backs: Daniel Fox LB Luke Shaw Alexander Buttner Central Midfield: Morgan Schneiderlin Dean Hammond Richard Chaplow Jack Cork Attacking Midfield/Wingers: Guly do Prado (Non Home-Grown) Adam Lallana Steve de Ridder (Non Home-Grown) CMF James Ward-Prowse A.N. Other Strikers: Rickie Lambert Tadanari Lee (Non Home-Grown) Jay Rodriguez Billy Sharp What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 12 July, 2012 Share Posted 12 July, 2012 Stephens, Shaw and JWP don't need to take up squad places, as they are young. I think it would be very, very risky to go into a new season with only 3 Centre Backs as well! Are you assuming the Steve Davis won't go through as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 12 July, 2012 Share Posted 12 July, 2012 GK: Kelvin Davis (+2 more) = 3 RB: Frazer Richardson, Danny Butterfield (+1 more) = 6 LB: Danny Fox, Alexander Buttner (NHG) = 8 CB: Jose Fonte (NHG), Jos Hooiveld (NHG), (+2 more) = 12 CM: Steven Davis (NHG), Jack Cork, Morgan Schneiderlin, Richard Chaplow = 16 RM: Steve De Ridder (NHG), (+1 more) = 18 LM: Adam Lallana, (+1 more) = 20 ST: Rickie Lambert, Jay Rodriguez, Billy Sharp, Tadanari Lee (NHG), Guly Do Prado (NHG) = 25 U21: Jack Stephens, Luke Shaw, James Ward-Prowse, Calum Chambers Get Rid: Tommy Forecast, Dan Seaborne, Dan Harding, Ryan Dickson, Dean Hammond, Jason Puncheon, Jonathan Forte, Lee Barnard That gives us a squad of 25, allowing for 7 more additions (although there won't be that many). The priority is at least 1 CB, 1 RW and 2 GKs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2012 Share Posted 12 July, 2012 You live in dream land mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 July, 2012 Share Posted 12 July, 2012 I'll take a guess at the squad being: 1. Davis 2. Richardson 3. Buttner 4. Morgan 5. Hooiveld 6. Fonte 7. Lambert 8. Cork 9. Rodriguez 10. Do Prado 11. Sharp 12. Butters 13. Fox 14. Hammond 15. 16. 17. 18. Chaplow 19. Lee 20. Lallana 21. 22. De Ridder 23. 24. Davis 25. That's my rough guess at squad, with numbers. Room for another 6 signings in there, plus there will be a couple of young players like JWP and Shaw with squad numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 12 July, 2012 Share Posted 12 July, 2012 GK: Kelvin Davis (+2 more) = 3 RB: Frazer Richardson, Danny Butterfield (+1 more) = 6 LB: Danny Fox, Alexander Buttner (NHG) = 8 CB: Jose Fonte (NHG), Jos Hooiveld (NHG), (+2 more) = 12 CM: Steven Davis (NHG), Jack Cork, Morgan Schneiderlin, Richard Chaplow = 16 RM: Steve De Ridder (NHG), (+1 more) = 18 LM: Adam Lallana, (+1 more) = 20 ST: Rickie Lambert, Jay Rodriguez, Billy Sharp, Tadanari Lee (NHG), Guly Do Prado (NHG) = 25 U21: Jack Stephens, Luke Shaw, James Ward-Prowse, Calum Chambers Get Rid: Tommy Forecast, Dan Seaborne, Dan Harding, Ryan Dickson, Dean Hammond, Jason Puncheon, Jonathan Forte, Lee Barnard That gives us a squad of 25, allowing for 7 more additions (although there won't be that many). The priority is at least 1 CB, 1 RW and 2 GKs. surely Davis is home grown, he was at Aston villa when he was 17/18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 July, 2012 Share Posted 12 July, 2012 Steven Davis (Not Home Grown) Steven Davis is British and came through Aston Villa's academy system, he was affiliated to them for more than 36 months prior to his 21st Birthday so he is home grown. - Home-grown players do not have to be English; home-grown players are defined as those who "irrespective of nationality or age, have been affiliated to the FA or Welsh FA for a period of three seasons or 36 months prior to 21st birthday" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 12 July, 2012 Share Posted 12 July, 2012 Steven Davis is British and came through Aston Villa's academy system, he was affiliated to them for more than 36 months prior to his 21st Birthday so he is home grown. Ahem. Being as you are usually such a pedant, he isn't actually British, he is from Northern Ireland, which is part of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 I think that now we have signed a couple more and things have changed a bit, it might be worth looking at this again... So, what is the situation now with our squad bearing in mind the purchases of Rodriguez, Davis, Clyne and Gazzanigga? Who will be in the 25 and who won't make it? Or with the number of youngsters we have got who don't need to count in the 25, will this make no difference to our squad? Taking the list previously listed, I think we now have a squad of 24 over-21-year olds plus 9 who are under 21: Goalkeepers Kelvin Davis Paolo Gazzanigga (Non Home Grown) (U21) Right Backs Nathaniel Clyne (U21) Frazer Richardson Danny Butterfield Jack Stephens (U21) Centre Backs Jose Fonte (Non Home-grown) Jos Hooiveld (Non Home-Grown) Dan Seaborne Left Backs Daniel Fox Luke Shaw (U21) Dan Harding Ryan Dickson Central Midfield Morgan Schneiderlin Dean Hammond Richard Chaplow Jack Cork Steve Davis James Ward-Prowse (U21) Corby Moore (U21) Attacking Midfield/Wingers Guly do Prado (Non Home-Grown) Adam Lallana Steve de Ridder (Non Home-Grown) Jason Puncheon Callum Chambers RW (U21) Ben Reeves LW (U21) Strikers Rickie Lambert Tadanari Lee (Non Home-Grown) Jay Rodriguez Billy Sharp Lee Barnard Jonathan Forte Sam Hoskins (U21) So, what next? Who will be leaving? Who will be staying? Who will get one of the 25 places for over-21s? Players In Clearly we remain weak in central defence so we must surely be on the lookout for someone in that area, though strangely I don't recall much in the way of strong rumours for this position. I would personally anticipate at least one signing in this area, though I was surprised that it was Martin and not Seaborne that was sent out on loan. We are also rumoured to be looking to sign Lens, a winger. Clearly, De Ridder has not yet delivered and Puncheon's ego will probably prevent him ever living up to his full potential. I hadn't noticed before, but I can see now that we are quite weak in the area of wide/attacking midfielders, notwithstanding the fact that Rodriguez can play on the wing. Lallana would clearly be a leading light in this area followed by Do Prado who I have placed in this position as I can't see him getting a striker role now. Finally we were previously rumoured to be in the market to buy a right back, but this has now seemingly faded into nothing, so we shall have to watch and see if anything happens in this area or whether Shaw steps up to a bigger role. Players Out Dickson? Forte? - There is probably little chance of them getting into the 25 now. There have certainly been rumours that Dickson is unhappy. Barnard? Puncheon? De Ridder? - It may depend on how many more players we sign who are over 25. Barnard has been rumoured to be leaving. I could imagine Puncheon and De Ridder hanging around in the hope of first team football but finding themselves being little more than bit part players if they manage to get a squad number even. Finally, what about Seaborne, Harding and Butterfield? Perhaps there is still a role for these three, though as I have already stated I don't quite get how we have kept Seaborne but let Martin go out on loan, unless the thinking is that it is now too late for Seaborne to go on loan and develop in any beneficial way, whereas Martin still has time and the right attitude to benefit from a loan. I can see Harding's role becoming less and he could leave in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 I think if Gazza stays at Saints for the next 2 seasons he will qualify as home grown. He will be 20 on 1 Jan 2013 so season 2013/14 will count as U21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 I think if Gazza stays at Saints for the next 2 seasons he will qualify as home grown. He will be 20 on 1 Jan 2013 so season 2013/14 will count as U21. He'll be 21 on 1 Jan 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 Not born 2 January 1992? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 Not born 2 January 1992? That makes him 20 now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 Ahem. Being as you are usually such a pedant' date=' he isn't actually British, he is from Northern Ireland, which is part of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland [/quote'] does he have a British passport .......or, a Northern Irish one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 Forte, Dickson &Barnard are not with the squad, I think that answers 3 questions. Seems like Stephens has been converted to CB, so maybe only 1 more CB to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 July, 2012 Share Posted 21 July, 2012 this is what I think GK - Davis GK - Gazzaniga GK - New signing DF - Fox DF - Harding or butterfeild DF - Richardson DF - Clyne DF - Hooiveld DF - Fonte DF - Seaborne DF - New signing DF - New Signing/Buttner MF - Lallana MF - De Ridder MF - Hammond MF - Davis MF - Cork MF - Schneiderlin MF - Guly MF - New Signing (Lens..?) MF - Puncheon ST - Lambert ST - Lee ST - Sharp ST - Rodriguez Shaw Chambers Stephens Ward-Prowse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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