Our Future? Stadium Expansion Proposal on Season Ticket DVD

[Sour Mash]

I don't think you're mad. I hate St Marys as a stadium (i hate all modern stadiumds). It's utterly characterless. The Dell was always a pleasure to visit - a thing of beauty.

Completely agree. 99% of modern construction is very poor in terms of design and quality, you couldn't see it lasting and still looking good in 100+ years time, in fact a lot of it looks poor and dated within 10 years. After all the hype about how BRighton's new ground was going to be ground breaking in terms of quality and character, it turned out to be only a step up from Colchester's new place!

[Turkish]

can we not just take these pictures / drawings for what they are.... speculative.

 

it's not going to happen for definite, likewise it's not NOT going to happen.

 

why does EVERY thread have to turn into a slanging match FFS?

 

Because a lot of people get themselves at it about things like this and take it as proof that this is definitely happening, it's a given, just like the champions league etc etc. Then when anyone points it out to them and "stamps on their dreams" as i was accussed of doing today by a mod they dont like it, get all upset and resort to name calling and digs.

[Frank's cousin]

Like the conceptual drawings, quite a European feel to it with the space around the ground etc (which will please Dune). NO idea what the time frame is, either for planning in principle or detailed proposals, but thats surely not the point?

 

This is simply about demonstrating the thinking and long term aspiration which can only be a good thing. Without wanting to start that whole impossible argument about timing again, its should maybe at least be pointed out that NC does not normally like to hang around. Although its impossible to get most to accept, you can make sensible business cases for both a long term plan and a more rapid approach... NC will decide, but nice to see that these initial concepts provide some individuality for the stadium and gives us a flavour of the aestetic they have in mind.

[Crazy Diamond]

Because a lot of people get themselves at it about things like this and take it as proof that this is definitely happening, it's a given, just like the champions league etc etc. Then when anyone points it out to them and "stamps on their dreams" as i was accussed of doing today by a mod they dont like it, get all upset and resort to name calling and digs.

 

That's nothing. Are you on Twitter? Have a look.

[.comsaint]

IMO ; we will need a stadium like this in order to compete in the Champions League...

[stev2001]

Just thinking about the convention centre in the pic (if that is what it is). Could this be owned by someone else?

 

If Saints were to go into partnership with another party then the purchase of the industrial estate, surrounding area and building of the centre could be done cheaply? Shared car park and facilities etc

 

Pie in the sky I know but does make you think. I stayed in the Jurys Inn next the the echo arena in Liverpool a year or so ago which is very impressive.

[Crazy Diamond]

IMO ; we will need a stadium like this in order to compete in the Champions League...

 

Villareal didn't do too badly, semi-finals at the first attempt. They were relegated last season though...

[stev2001]

But where is the Ted Bates statue in these drawings? Are we sure this is a St Mary's extension and not a new stadium?

 

Yes look at the road layout and the distant building in the background of the last pic (premier inn?)

[dune]

Like the conceptual drawings, quite a European feel to it with the space around the ground etc (which will please Dune). NO idea what the time frame is, either for planning in principle or detailed proposals, but thats surely not the point?

 

This is simply about demonstrating the thinking and long term aspiration which can only be a good thing. Without wanting to start that whole impossible argument about timing again, its should maybe at least be pointed out that NC does not normally like to hang around. Although its impossible to get most to accept, you can make sensible business cases for both a long term plan and a more rapid approach... NC will decide, but nice to see that these initial concepts provide some individuality for the stadium and gives us a flavour of the aestetic they have in mind.

 

As ever Frank you write a lot but it's b/llocks. What is there to please the eye as you walk around the monotonously repetitive steel fence effect bowl? Do you gaze with wonder at the surroundings - a 1960's council estate themed open space? Does Mr Boring think to himself "i really fancy a weekend away in Milton Keynes"? Do you get hard at the thought of a day out at B & Q?

[Matthew Le God]

Nothing currently on the council's planning website for the stadium...

 

http://publicaccess.southampton.gov.uk/PublicAccess/propdb/property/property_history_summary.aspx?blpukeyval=002MC5OZBU000&lpikeyval=00253AOZLI000&module=P3&historymodule=DC

[Crazy Diamond]

As ever Frank you write a lot but it's b/llocks. What is there to please the eye as walk around the monotonously repetitive steel fence effect bowl? Do you gaze with wonder at the surroundings - a 1960's council estate themed open space? Does Mr Boring think to himself "i really fancy a weekend away in Milton Keynes"?

 

To be fair, the Franchise have a stadium reminiscent of the Europeans. A lot of likeness to somewhere in Spain or Greece to be precise, it's not finished.

 

[Frank's cousin]

As ever Frank you write a lot but it's b/llocks. What is there to please the eye as you walk around the monotonously repetitive steel fence effect bowl? Do you gaze with wonder at the surroundings - a 1960's council estate themed open space? Does Mr Boring think to himself "i really fancy a weekend away in Milton Keynes"? Do you get hard at the thought of a day out at B & Q?

 

You know what you come across as in your trolling - you like to see yourself as this young modern rightwing defender of mother England, and its 'traditions and history' Tory boy extremis - not sure why you picked that particular character as your web wind up as its frankly pretty hideous. Architecture evolves and whilst there is rightly beauty in the historic buildings and they should be preserved, being stuck in the past and wanting receations is just whimiscal nostalgia. SMS is not interesting or characterful becsause its cheap crap design... the facelift concept has to work with that and makes a pretty decent job in my opinion.

[stev2001]

As ever Frank you write a lot but it's b/llocks. What is there to please the eye as you walk around the monotonously repetitive steel fence effect bowl? Do you gaze with wonder at the surroundings - a 1960's council estate themed open space? Does Mr Boring think to himself "i really fancy a weekend away in Milton Keynes"? Do you get hard at the thought of a day out at B & Q?

I do think you are forgetting that character costs money. B&Q buildings are fit for purpose and are built that way because that is the most practical way of doing it. SMS is a cheap practical stadium that conforms to modern standards.

Edited 19 June, 2012 by stev2001

[saintbob40]

Anyone for monkey-chicken tennis? Lovely stuff.........

[Gemmel]

I'm sure IF anything does happen, as already posted, it will be phased and done over a period of years. But that shouldn't detract from the fact that there is quite obviously a "Vision". A drive and ambition to move forwards, in what appears to be all aspects of the club. Whilst it is easy to scoff at some peoples beliefs of where that could take us, the reality is the footballing side of things would need to be in top shape, to make those plans sustainable and that can only be good news for us fans.

 

I was reading the comments from Cortese as to why he turned down AC Milan in favour of staying with us and how we have the potential to match anything they could do in the future and had he not enjoyed the (Fairly Incredible) success he has in such a short space of time with Saints, you would dismiss them out of hand (probably ****ing yourself laughing at the same time) as pure fantasy.... But his record, his actions and his ambitions, do allow you to get a little carried away and "wonder" quite what the future holds.

 

Now before the bedwetters, get all excited;

 

I don't think we will ever be comparble to AC Milan

I don't think we will be playing Champions league anytime in my lifetime

And a succesfull season will still be avoiding relegation.

 

We have a fiercly ambitious CEO and well financed owners. If they were looking to "Get out" now would be the optimum time in terms of return on their investment, so if they are sticking around, my guess is they are taking it seriously. Add on to that my personal belief that football will change (More specifically the financial side of it) over the next decade or so and what seems such far fetched ideas of grandeur right now, might be more acheiveable in the future.

[dune]

You know what you come across as in your trolling - you like to see yourself as this young modern rightwing defender of mother England' date=' and its 'traditions and history' Tory boy extremis - not sure why you picked that particular character as your web wind up as its frankly pretty hideous. Architecture evolves and whilst there is rightly beauty in the historic buildings and they should be preserved, being stuck in the past and wanting receations is just whimiscal nostalgia. SMS is not interesting or characterful becsause its cheap crap design... the facelift concept has to work with that and makes a pretty decent job in my opinion.[/quote']

 

So when Mr Boring is planning his weekend break where does Mr Boring choose?

[Colinjb]

I'm sure IF anything does happen, as already posted, it will be phased and done over a period of years. But that shouldn't detract from the fact that there is quite obviously a "Vision". A drive and ambition to move forwards, in what appears to be all aspects of the club. Whilst it is easy to scoff at some peoples beliefs of where that could take us, the reality is the footballing side of things would need to be in top shape, to make those plans sustainable and that can only be good news for us fans.

 

I was reading the comments from Cortese as to why he turned down AC Milan in favour of staying with us and how we have the potential to match anything they could do in the future and had he not enjoyed the (Fairly Incredible) success he has in such a short space of time with Saints, you would dismiss them out of hand (probably ****ing yourself laughing at the same time) as pure fantasy.... But his record, his actions and his ambitions, do allow you to get a little carried away and "wonder" quite what the future holds.

 

Now before the bedwetters, get all excited;

 

I don't think we will ever be comparble to AC Milan

I don't think we will be playing Champions league anytime in my lifetime

And a succesfull season will still be avoiding relegation.

 

We have a fiercly ambitious CEO and well financed owners. If they were looking to "Get out" now would be the optimum time in terms of return on their investment, so if they are sticking around, my guess is they are taking it seriously. Add on to that my personal belief that football will change (More specifically the financial side of it) over the next decade or so and what seems such far fetched ideas of grandeur right now, might be more acheiveable in the future.

 

Yep, utterly agree with that.

[Turkish]

I'm sure IF anything does happen, as already posted, it will be phased and done over a period of years. But that shouldn't detract from the fact that there is quite obviously a "Vision". A drive and ambition to move forwards, in what appears to be all aspects of the club. Whilst it is easy to scoff at some peoples beliefs of where that could take us, the reality is the footballing side of things would need to be in top shape, to make those plans sustainable and that can only be good news for us fans.

 

I was reading the comments from Cortese as to why he turned down AC Milan in favour of staying with us and how we have the potential to match anything they could do in the future and had he not enjoyed the (Fairly Incredible) success he has in such a short space of time with Saints, you would dismiss them out of hand (probably ****ing yourself laughing at the same time) as pure fantasy.... But his record, his actions and his ambitions, do allow you to get a little carried away and "wonder" quite what the future holds.

 

Now before the bedwetters, get all excited;

 

I don't think we will ever be comparble to AC Milan

I don't think we will be playing Champions league anytime in my lifetime

And a succesfull season will still be avoiding relegation.

 

We have a fiercly ambitious CEO and well financed owners. If they were looking to "Get out" now would be the optimum time in terms of return on their investment, so if they are sticking around, my guess is they are taking it seriously. Add on to that my personal belief that football will change (More specifically the financial side of it) over the next decade or so and what seems such far fetched ideas of grandeur right now, might be more acheiveable in the future.

 

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Edited 19 June, 2012 by Turkish

[Saint Lindford]

 

Visted this stadium in Turkey. It puts our mechano flat pack into perspective. And it's over 2000 years old.

 

Nearly as old as Fratton Park. Bet they don't have fat in the pipes.

[stev2001]

I'm sure IF anything does happen, as already posted, it will be phased and done over a period of years. But that shouldn't detract from the fact that there is quite obviously a "Vision". A drive and ambition to move forwards, in what appears to be all aspects of the club. Whilst it is easy to scoff at some peoples beliefs of where that could take us, the reality is the footballing side of things would need to be in top shape, to make those plans sustainable and that can only be good news for us fans.

 

I was reading the comments from Cortese as to why he turned down AC Milan in favour of staying with us and how we have the potential to match anything they could do in the future and had he not enjoyed the (Fairly Incredible) success he has in such a short space of time with Saints, you would dismiss them out of hand (probably ****ing yourself laughing at the same time) as pure fantasy.... But his record, his actions and his ambitions, do allow you to get a little carried away and "wonder" quite what the future holds.

 

Now before the bedwetters, get all excited;

 

I don't think we will ever be comparble to AC Milan

I don't think we will be playing Champions league anytime in my lifetime

And a succesfull season will still be avoiding relegation.

 

We have a fiercly ambitious CEO and well financed owners. If they were looking to "Get out" now would be the optimum time in terms of return on their investment, so if they are sticking around, my guess is they are taking it seriously. Add on to that my personal belief that football will change (More specifically the financial side of it) over the next decade or so and what seems such far fetched ideas of grandeur right now, might be more acheiveable in the future.

 

Well put and hopefully we will be one of the teams leading the way with the change that happens in football.

[Crazy Diamond]

Meanwhile in Bournemouth...

 

http://www.afcb.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10324~2816328,00.html

 

"AFC Bournemouth chairman Eddie Mitchell has expressed his dismay after the club's application to resurface and landscape the lorry park to the south east of Dean Court was last night deferred for a month."

[stev2001]

I'm surprised the echo or other press haven't got wind of this and wrote something.

[trousers]

 

i have already had word of the cultivation of this new super species has begun and a floop ( neither a flock of chickens or a troop of monkeys) of chionkeys would be thriving by the time the staduim is built.

 

Are nipples now allowed on here? No-one told me the rules had been relaxed FFS.

[Minsk]

The red box. Please don't tell me it's one of those ghastly rust effect monstrosities?

 

Why can't we go for a mock tudor, colonial, or gothic look. Something more traditional.

 

Like this you mean?:

 

http://www.tmwmtt.com/blog-extreme-groundhopping/2006-10-01FrattonPark-t.jpg

 

Feel free to go visit there any time you like................

[stevegrant]

That's nothing. Are you on Twitter? Have a look.

Yeah, that was a fantastic waste of 15 minutes of my time earlier. Lesson learned.

[Minsk]

I'm sure IF anything does happen, as already posted, it will be phased and done over a period of years. But that shouldn't detract from the fact that there is quite obviously a "Vision". A drive and ambition to move forwards, in what appears to be all aspects of the club. Whilst it is easy to scoff at some peoples beliefs of where that could take us, the reality is the footballing side of things would need to be in top shape, to make those plans sustainable and that can only be good news for us fans.

 

I was reading the comments from Cortese as to why he turned down AC Milan in favour of staying with us and how we have the potential to match anything they could do in the future and had he not enjoyed the (Fairly Incredible) success he has in such a short space of time with Saints, you would dismiss them out of hand (probably ****ing yourself laughing at the same time) as pure fantasy.... But his record, his actions and his ambitions, do allow you to get a little carried away and "wonder" quite what the future holds.

 

Now before the bedwetters, get all excited;

 

I don't think we will ever be comparble to AC Milan

I don't think we will be playing Champions league anytime in my lifetime

And a succesfull season will still be avoiding relegation.

 

We have a fiercly ambitious CEO and well financed owners. If they were looking to "Get out" now would be the optimum time in terms of return on their investment, so if they are sticking around, my guess is they are taking it seriously. Add on to that my personal belief that football will change (More specifically the financial side of it) over the next decade or so and what seems such far fetched ideas of grandeur right now, might be more acheiveable in the future.

 

Good post!!!

[Crazy Diamond]

Yeah, that was a fantastic waste of 15 minutes of my time earlier. Lesson learned.

 

And yet you were quite right. I've been told that I can't compare the drawings to those that Birmingham and Liverpool drew up, as that's me saying that we won't actually go through with it (quite how I'm saying that, I do not know) and I'm not allowed to call them drawings, despite the fact they have been DRAWN up.

[stev2001]

I've been trying not to read into the fact that these dawings were only released via a DVD to season ticket holders rather than to the press.

[stevegrant]

I've been trying not to read into the fact that these dawings were only released via a DVD to season ticket holders rather than to the press.

Not to mention the fact that the club couldn't even be arsed to put them on their own website

[stev2001]

Not to mention the fact that the club couldn't even be arsed to put them on their own website

 

Or it might be just to reward the ST holders first?

[Crazy Diamond]

Or it might be just to reward the ST holders first?

 

They did it so that they could wait until today then watch the reaction. They're sat with their feet up on their desks and they're laughing right now.

[stev2001]

My feeling is that they have had these drawings for a while as a long term vision and have decided to release them now to ST holders to create a real good feeling around the club before the season starts.

[hypochondriac]

And yet you were quite right. I've been told that I can't compare the drawings to those that Birmingham and Liverpool drew up, as that's me saying that we won't actually go through with it (quite how I'm saying that, I do not know) and I'm not allowed to call them drawings, despite the fact they have been DRAWN up.

 

What twitter account am I meant to be reading?

[stev2001]

I also found it strange when the council released the masterplan drawing of the city in the next 20 years that the industrial estate remained. This land would have massive development potential if the waterfront is developed all the way to ocean village.

[JPTCount]

whatever anyone says, this is good news.

 

any chance someone with a DVD rip it and upload it somewhere?

 

or is this a closed club and will ppl be waving them at me when I go to home games this season..?

[dune]

They did it so that they could wait until today then watch the reaction. They're sat with their feet up on their desks and they're laughing right now.

 

Is it right that Nicola wears shoe lifts to make him look taller?

[Crazy Diamond]

Is it right that Nicola wears shoe lifts to make him look taller?

 

Mr. Cortese does not have a desk. He considers them too common.

[Dazza82]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barcelona style, Well sort of! lol

[Saint 76er]

A couple of rumours along the way on here have suggested that (1) NC spoke at one of his fans dinners of discussions with SCC regarding a proposal to submit plans for increasing SMS to 44K and (2) that club insiders were told that he would proceed with a second tier on the three available sides if we stay up this season.

 

Now we have drawings turning up, which indicates NC does at least have (probably detailed) plans sitting in his desk drawer, although despite the above none of us can be sure of a timeframe, if ever.

 

Back to the drawings, and if you look closely at the Kingsland it rather looks as if it may be a raised tier rather than joined to existing section. Otherwise, why have a solid line just below the new exits and this tier appears to end in a curved section at the corner rather than to connect up with the Northam. As the various stand roofs are of a different height this would presumably enable a stand at a time to be done.

 

Also, if you look under the Kingsland roof it rather seems as if new corporate boxes of some description may be indicated. Regarding the faux exterior I would imagine this is likely to contain coloured lighting adaptability, a bit like that flash Azabeijani stadium built for Eurovision.

 

Finally, even in this mock-up they seem to have the pitch surrounded by those digital advertising boards ..!!

[Hatch]

I think I'm in the third pic in the OP

[Pat from Poole]

To be fair, the Franchise have a stadium reminiscent of the Europeans. A lot of likeness to somewhere in Spain or Greece to be precise, it's not finished.

 

 

 

That is totally wasted on Franchise.

[Crazy Diamond]

That is totally wasted on Franchise.

 

Oxygen is wasted on the Franchise.

[JPTCount]

 

Visted this stadium in Turkey. It puts our mechano flat pack into perspective. And it's over 2000 years old.

 

shame it's a theatre

[Turkish]

Is it right that Nicola wears shoe lifts to make him look taller?

 

Yeah he does. Had it confirmed by an ex employee. He is also paranoid about his weight and very obsessed by his appearance.

[Dig Dig]

Yeah he does. Had it confirmed by an ex employee. He is also paranoid about his weight and very obsessed by his appearance.

 

Sounds familiar....

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

The 'mesh' effect on the exterior is very clearly a anti-RPG measure intended to foil any serious attack from disgruntled Pompey fans. As a welcome bonus it will also help to keep bird sh1t off the heads of visiting dignitaries such as Sir Alex Ferguson or Joey Barton. I have it on good authority that the club also plans to dramatically increase the number of toilets at St Marys, due to the fact that Tommy Forecast will now be our first choice keeper this coming season.

 

You heard it here first.

[Thedelldays]

Yeah he does. Had it confirmed by an ex employee. He is also paranoid about his weight and very obsessed by his appearance.

maybe we should recommend a good skin care product..?

[Crab Lungs]

But where is the Ted Bates statue in these drawings? Are we sure this is a St Mary's extension and not a new stadium?

 

Pretty sure on the left-hand side is existing flats from around the area, so it looks like an expanded St. Mary's?

 

Anyway, I'm curious about the "Our Future?" gambit... it's obvious some thought has gone into this, but how much?

 

Besides, those thinking it might never happen... it might not, but Cortese's record of delivering is pretty good so I'd imagine if we do enough over the next couple of seasons then he might start to get really serious about these drawings...

[Crazy Diamond]

The 'mesh' effect on the exterior is very clearly a anti-RPG measure intended to foil any serious attack from disgruntled Pompey fans. As a welcome bonus it will also help to keep bird sh1t off the heads of visiting dignitaries such as Sir Alex Ferguson or Joey Barton. I have it on good authority that the club also plans to dramatically increase the number of toilets at St Marys, due to the fact that Tommy Forecast will now be our first choice keeper this coming season.

 

You heard it here first.

 

No Warcraft or Final Fantasy around here. We want supporters with lives, dammit!

[Thedelldays]

Pretty sure on the left-hand side is existing flats from around the area, so it looks like an expanded St. Mary's?

 

Anyway, I'm curious about the "Our Future?" gambit... it's obvious some thought has gone into this, but how much?

 

Besides, those thinking it might never happen... it might not, but Cortese's record of delivering is pretty good so I'd imagine if we do enough over the next couple of seasons then he might start to get really serious about these drawings...

just imagine how much better this could be if we had our fan on the board