aintforever Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Ha ha, I'm the thick one?!!!! You can't even understand what I clearly wrote. Just f*ck off pal, if that's all you've got. So you do think filling potential shortfalls with extra away fans is the same as building a purpose built massive away end. Maybe you live in a world where you can predict what the exact demand for tickets will be 5-10 years in advance so you can plan a stadium that has seats for that exact number of home fans plus 3000, and only 3000 away fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 So you do think filling potential shortfalls with extra away fans is the same as building a purpose built massive away end. Maybe you live in a world where you can predict what the exact demand for tickets will be 5-10 years in advance so you can plan a stadium that has seats for that exact number of home fans plus 3000, and only 3000 away fans. Where have I mentioned anything about building a massive away end? Show me where I've said that. I've said the exact opposite; that our away end should stay exactly where it is and at exactly the same size. But yes; the idea of building a stadium for now is that you future-proof it. You build for how many you'll need over a distinct period, so you don't over-reach yourself and build too many seats that you can't fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 God you are thick. You really think "fill potential shortfalls with extra away fans" is the same as building a purpose built massive away end. ****ing hell, are you 12 years old? Its getting embarassing dumbass, I'd stop now if I were you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 When you read some of the sh*t on here you realise why people think Southampton isn't a football place. So many people just don't get it. They seem to live in a football manager world where Eastleigh can make the champions league and if you do well as a manager you can make a board request, like expanding the stadium which will automatically be full if you win a few games. And this bizarre insistence that thousands of fans of other clubs will come to see Saints in their desperation to see premier league football yet at the same time there are tens of thousands of Saints fans who can't come to see Saints because it's too expensive. The world of Internet soccerball spaz boards certainly is a strange place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Who said anything about four or more thousand additional away fans? Typical CB Fry exageration. And you ask why allow additional away fans. Simple really. Additional revenue. Get it? And who said anything about Nottingham Forest being crippled by the existence of Notts County? That adjective is entirely yours. Exaggeration again, hyperbole, pompous, supercilious claptrap. But if one of those two clubs did not exist, then the other would pick up a lot of their fans, would they not? So each club in close proximity to another affects the other's attendances. Or is that concept too alien for you to understand it? Building a stadium expansion with the plan to fill it with more away fans is mental. Mental. That's why no major club does it or would even consider it. Get it? Get it? And you dinlows portray yourselves as the "positive" ones. Building seats in order to bus in West Ham fans. How is that positive? Nottingham is plenty big enough for two clubs. Forest has us much potential and catchment as us if not more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 When you read some of the sh*t on here you realise why people think Southampton isn't a football place. So many people just don't get it. They seem to live in a football manager world where Eastleigh can make the champions league and if you do well as a manager you can make a board request, like expanding the stadium which will automatically be full if you win a few games. And this bizarre insistence that thousands of fans of other clubs will come to see Saints in their desperation to see premier league football yet at the same time there are tens of thousands of Saints fans who can't come to see Saints because it's too expensive. The world of Internet soccerball spaz boards certainly is a strange place. This coming from someone who says we can't compete with Swansea in the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 This coming from someone who says we can't compete with Swansea in the transfer market. I never said that dumbass, as you well know. Youve already lived up to your nickname tonight so I'd pipe down before it gets worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 I never said that dumbass, as you well know. Youve already lived up to your nickname tonight so I'd pipe down before it gets worse. "They have £40 mill Prem money in the bank dumbass, just because we are owned by billionaires means nothing, NOTHING" LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 "They have £40 mill Prem money in the bank dumbass, just because we are owned by billionaires means nothing, NOTHING" LOL Why are you making up comments? Bit wierd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Building a stadium expansion with the plan to fill it with more away fans is mental. Mental. That's why no major club does it or would even consider it. Get it? Get it? And you dinlows portray yourselves as the "positive" ones. Building seats in order to bus in West Ham fans. How is that positive? Nottingham is plenty big enough for two clubs. Forest has us much potential and catchment as us if not more so. What is actually mental, is the idea that the stadium would be expanded solely for the exclusive use of Saints fans, and refusing to fill at least some of the empty seats that there will inevitably be for at least half the matches with away fans is mental. In case it had escaped your notice, the club is run as a business, to make a profit. If you believe for one minute that they would rather have empty seats just because they would otherwise be filled with some away supporters, you really are a sandwich short of a picnic. Get it? Regarding Nottingham's two football clubs, I see that you have avoided answering my question. I'll repeat it. If one or other of those two clubs were to cease to exist, would the other club benefit by an increase in attendances as a result? A simple yes or no, please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 What is actually mental, is the idea that the stadium would be expanded solely for the exclusive use of Saints fans, and refusing to fill at least some of the empty seats that there will inevitably be for at least half the matches with away fans is mental. You are nuts. How about we don't expand if there is not sufficient demand from the core supporter base? How about that? In case you haven't noticed the club is run as a business and is unlikely to spunk millions and millions on new seats knowing they are going to be empty and then needing to sell them to away fans. Desperately selling any seat to anyone, by the way, doesn't sound like a "profit" strategy despite your pathetic attempt to talk down to me. It sounds like a "sh it, we need to break even" strategy. You are mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Regarding Nottingham's two football clubs, I see that you have avoided answering my question. I'll repeat it. If one or other of those two clubs were to cease to exist, would the other club benefit by an increase in attendances as a result? A simple yes or no, please If I had a penis that dispensed tiling grout, would local plumbers pay to wan k me off? A simple yes or no, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 If I had a penis that dispensed tiling grout, would local plumbers pay to wan k me off? A simple yes or no, please. Now that is what Icall a sensible, well thought out , intellectual argument. Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 You are nuts. How about we don't expand if there is not sufficient demand from the core supporter base? How about that? In case you haven't noticed the club is run as a business and is unlikely to spunk millions and millions on new seats knowing they are going to be empty and then needing to sell them to away fans. Desperately selling any seat to anyone, by the way, doesn't sound like a "profit" strategy despite your pathetic attempt to talk down to me. It sounds like a "sh it, we need to break even" strategy. You are mental. When I posted my opinion, I forgot that you had the ear of Cortese and the Liebherrs and knew their innermost thoughts on the possibility of stadium expansion. Had I known this too, I would have known that having developed the stadium to take account of the increased ticket sales for the glory teams, they were quite prepared to forego revenue that might otherwise have been generated by the sale of those seats to some away fans. After all, they are made of money and are quite happy to pour it into the club without expecting to maximise the return on their investment. What I find disappointing in attempts to debate this question sensibly, is having childish, petulant responses from people like you, who can only bandy about insults to anybody whose views and opinions differ from their own. As mentioned, you have not one shred of evidence to hand regarding the thoughts of the Liebherrs or Cortese and yet you are prepared to label anybody with oposing views to yours as mental. Were you the playground bully at school? Somebody without the intellect to get the better of other brighter children, so you had to resort to petty name-calling? Regarding your puerile response to my question about the Nottingham clubs, I would say yes. But naturally it would depend on the quality of the grout and the price and the reliability of the supply source. Now, I've answered your ludicrous question. How about answering my more sensible one? I'll even allow you some leeway to justify your yes or no. Try and exercise your few brain cells and come up with something that doesn't involve insults, please, if you are capable of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Can't be arsed to read the whole thread so may have been mentioned before but if, and I mean a really big IF, the forward thinking plan for the club is that in the not too distant future we aim to be regularly competing in Europe, would it be more prudent to extend before we get there (also bearing mind that at present interest and building costs are low) and incur some empty seats in the short term, or wait till the dream is achieved and lose out on income by not having seats available that could be regularly filled. We are all basing assumptions on what we have been in the past and where we are now, Cortese and Co seem to have bigger plans for the future than that (and from what we have seen already, each step of the plan achievable to date has been achieved so who knows where they can take us) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 When I posted my opinion, I forgot that you had the ear of Cortese and the Liebherrs and knew their innermost thoughts on the possibility of stadium expansion. Had I known this too, I would have known that having developed the stadium to take account of the increased ticket sales for the glory teams, they were quite prepared to forego revenue that might otherwise have been generated by the sale of those seats to some away fans. After all, they are made of money and are quite happy to pour it into the club without expecting to maximise the return on their investment. What I find disappointing in attempts to debate this question sensibly, is having childish, petulant responses from people like you, who can only bandy about insults to anybody whose views and opinions differ from their own. As mentioned, you have not one shred of evidence to hand regarding the thoughts of the Liebherrs or Cortese and yet you are prepared to label anybody with oposing views to yours as mental. Were you the playground bully at school? Somebody without the intellect to get the better of other brighter children, so you had to resort to petty name-calling? Regarding your puerile response to my question about the Nottingham clubs, I would say yes. But naturally it would depend on the quality of the grout and the price and the reliability of the supply source. Now, I've answered your ludicrous question. How about answering my more sensible one? I'll even allow you some leeway to justify your yes or no. Try and exercise your few brain cells and come up with something that doesn't involve insults, please, if you are capable of it. If Notts C went out of business today I'd expect a pheonix club to be formed as they are a club with a great heritage, and they'd get considerable help from Italy with their long standing links with Juve. What I don't think would happen is their fanbase would charge off down the City ground to buy red and white scarfs. And what does happen right now is that Saints have never got significantly bigger gates than Forest when the clubs have been in comparable situations, which goes against your stupid point in the first place. Forest have just as much if not more potential to grow gates as Saints. County or no County. And County are not going to disappear. Get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 When I posted my opinion, I forgot that you had the ear of Cortese and the Liebherrs and knew their innermost thoughts on the possibility of stadium expansion. Had I known this too, I would have known that having developed the stadium to take account of the increased ticket sales for the glory teams, they were quite prepared to forego revenue that might otherwise have been generated by the sale of those seats to some away fans. After all, they are made of money and are quite happy to pour it into the club without expecting to maximise the return on their investment. What I find disappointing in attempts to debate this question sensibly, is having childish, petulant responses from people like you, who can only bandy about insults to anybody whose views and opinions differ from their own. As mentioned, you have not one shred of evidence to hand regarding the thoughts of the Liebherrs or Cortese and yet you are prepared to label anybody with oposing views to yours as mental. Were you the playground bully at school? Somebody without the intellect to get the better of other brighter children, so you had to resort to petty name calling? How about we expand the ground based on consistent sustainable demand from fans of Southampton Football Club? How about that? Your wittering about how brilliant it will be to pile in loads more away fans than we need is the only thing that is childish here. Stop grizzling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 What is actually mental, is the idea that the stadium would be expanded solely for the exclusive use of Saints fans, and refusing to fill at least some of the empty seats that there will inevitably be for at least half the matches with away fans is mental. In case it had escaped your notice, the club is run as a business I get it! Against the likes of Stoke and Wigan where we ain't selling out the extra seats, we'll offer them up to the away massive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 If Notts C went out of business today I'd expect a pheonix club to be formed as they are a club with a great heritage, and they'd get considerable help from Italy with their long standing links with Juve. What I don't think would happen is their fanbase would charge off down the City ground to buy red and white scarfs. And what does happen right now is that Saints have never got significantly bigger gates than Forest when the clubs have been in comparable situations, which goes against your stupid point in the first place. Forest have just as much if not more potential to grow gates as Saints. County or no County. And County are not going to disappear. Get it? We have a parallel situation down here if the Skates were liquidated. A phoenix club would be formed, but it would take years and years for them to get back to where they are even now. In the meantime, many of their potential fans under normal circumstances, would gravitate here. I am not talking about their hardcore fans; I'm talking about the ones where dad takes his sons to a match for the first time, those from areas between Portsmouth and here and Skate fans who live further away from Portsmouth, closer to us, and who therefore are not regular Skate fans. There is no doubt that we would therefore increase our fanbase, were Portsmouth to be liquidated. The same naturally applies to any other two clubs in close proximity, that the demise of one will result in the increased attendances of the other. Your views on how Nottingham can sustain two clubs with Derby ten miles away, because of the massive catchment area they have in the Peak District are already well known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 (edited) I get it! Against the likes of Stoke and Wigan where we ain't selling out the extra seats, we'll offer them up to the away massive. You've got it bear! The penny has dropped with me too and it all makes sense now. We won't need to give extra tickets to away fans for Man U and Chelsea etc as we'll sell them ourselves. But when Wigan and Fulham and those sort of clubs come to town we give them the extra tickets for theirs fans for the inevitable empty seats there will be in the home end for those ones. They can fill the groud with thier massive travelling army! Another piece of genius from the visionaries! Edited 13 October, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Can someone do a poll on pompey online and ask them who is planning on coming to St Mary's if Pompey are to be liquidated. Then Les will have some figures to back up his arguement of the legions of skates who will switch sides to support us. Just like there were legions of Saints fans who did the same when we were in admin and they were in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 How about we expand the ground based on consistent sustainable demand from fans of Southampton Football Club? How about that? Your wittering about how brilliant it will be to pile in loads more away fans than we need is the only thing that is childish here. Stop grizzling. If you read my responses carefully, you would see that I was talking about a proportionate increase in the allocation of away fans' seats. 10%. Therefore, we would always have at least 90% of the seats. I also said that if we could fill the number of seats above the 3000 that we are obliged to allocate to away fans, so much the better. But I see that you would rather that those extra seats were left empty, because you are generous with the Liebherr's money and would tell them that they would be mental to want to earn extra revenue from them. It isn't your money. It isn't your decision. You have no say, only an opinion, as do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 (edited) We have a parallel situation down here if the Skates were liquidated. A phoenix club would be formed, but it would take years and years for them to get back to where they are even now. In the meantime, many of their potential fans under normal circumstances, would gravitate here. I am not talking about their hardcore fans; I'm talking about the ones where dad takes his sons to a match for the first time, those from areas between Portsmouth and here and Skate fans who live further away from Portsmouth, closer to us, and who therefore are not regular Skate fans. There is no doubt that we would therefore increase our fanbase, were Portsmouth to be liquidated. The same naturally applies to any other two clubs in close proximity, that the demise of one will result in the increased attendances of the other. Your views on how Nottingham can sustain two clubs with Derby ten miles away, because of the massive catchment area they have in the Peak District are already well known. Nottingham does sustain two clubs alongside Derby. Derby and Forest are essentially the same size clubs as us with the same potential. I am not sure how you can try and mock me for pointing out something that is true. Whatever dopey attendance you have in your head for SolentCityMegaSaints, Derby and Forest could match or beat that number with the same on-pitch success you have in your head for MegaSolentSaintsCity FC. Match it or beat it. Pompey fans are not going to become Saints fans. Just like Wigan aren't going to bring 4,000 fans just because we put them on sale. As usual all your arguments are based on wild, baseless guesses. I say something different. Lets establish a significant, sustained, TANGIBLE increase in demand first. Edited 13 October, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 In FM 2012, NC gave me a stadium expansion to 38,000ish after just a year in the top flight.... So insider knowledge perhaps? (also, after I won us the prem for 4 consecutive years it went up to something like 50,000 so we have that to look forward too aswell!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Nottingham does sustain two clubs alongside Derby. Derby and Forest are essentially the same size clubs as us with the same potential. I am not sure how you can try and mock me for pointing out something that is true. Whatever dopey attendance you have in your head for SolentCityMegaSaints, Derby and Forest could match or beat that number with the same on-pitch success you have in your head for MegaSolentSaintsCity FC. Match it or beat it. Pompey fans are not going to become Saints fans. Just like Wigan aren't going to bring 4,000 fans just because we put them on sale. As usual all your arguments are based on wild, baseless guesses. I say something different. Lets establish a significant, sustained, TANGIBLE increase in demand first. Just as all of your opinions are based on ifs and buts too. Admit it, you have not one single shred of evidence to back up your comments. You don't know what Cortese/the Liebherrs are planning, what their strategy will be under varying circumstances. I don't disagree with your final line and never have done. We are just arguing the hypothetical details. Hypothetical. And typically of the small group of mass debators that you belong to, you twist everything you disagree with to suit your own opinion. Where did I say that Pompey fans would become Saints fans? I was careful to emphasise that most would not, although a small proportion might; fans are fickle. Not really relevant comparing the two Nottingham clubs and Derby with us, as we are now above all of them and have wealthy ownership and any historical comparisons are spurious as they are from another era when most circumstances were entirely different. And where did I ever mention Wigan? Are they particularly noted for bringing masses of fans to matches at the other end of the country? No, I didn't think so. But it is useful quoting extreme examples to illustrate a point, isn't it? Although you would gain far more respect were you to use much more pertinent examples instead of ridiculous ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 If I had a penis that dispensed tiling grout, would local plumbers pay to wan k me off? A simple yes or no, please. Forget the politics of this thread CB, you need to get on Dragon's Den ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 (edited) Just as all of your opinions are based on ifs and buts too. Admit it, you have not one single shred of evidence to back up your comments. You don't know what Cortese/the Liebherrs are planning, what their strategy will be under varying circumstances. I don't disagree with your final line and never have done. We are just arguing the hypothetical details. Hypothetical. And typically of the small group of mass debators that you belong to, you twist everything you disagree with to suit your own opinion. Where did I say that Pompey fans would become Saints fans? I was careful to emphasise that most would not, although a small proportion might; fans are fickle. Not really relevant comparing the two Nottingham clubs and Derby with us, as we are now above all of them and have wealthy ownership and any historical comparisons are spurious as they are from another era when most circumstances were entirely different. And where did I ever mention Wigan? Are they particularly noted for bringing masses of fans to matches at the other end of the country? No, I didn't think so. But it is useful quoting extreme examples to illustrate a point, isn't it? Although you would gain far more respect were you to use much more pertinent examples instead of ridiculous ones. I don't have shred of evidence to support the fact that Derby and Forest are about the same as us? Really? Thirty odd years of attendances when all three clubs have been in similar circumstances at similar times. Next. So Wigan attendance in our super new Cortesedome? Less than 30k then. Brilliant. Next. You are often keen to suggest Saints are in some unique position compared to other clubs. We aint. And you don't have a shred of evidence. Next. So not enough Pompey fans to justify a stadium expansion on then. Any shreds here? No? Next. The away fans thing is just simple horses hit anyway. We shouldn't do it, and if we need to do it to pay for a stadium expansion then we don't need the expansion. Any other clubs built multi million pound expansions with away fans specifically in mind? Any shreddy-weds here? No? Next. And sorry... you NEVER agree with my final line, hence all your fairy stories about catchment area, away fan ticket bonanzas, pompey fans, and all the rest of it. All garbage you don't have a shred of evidence to support. You see, I don't need a shred of evidence. I am waiting for a season ticket waiting list and consistent sell outs for low category games. No evidence needed, because I am not making up theories. You are. All the time. Where's your shreds of evidence? Edited 13 October, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 You see, I don't need a shred of evidence. I am waiting for a season ticket waiting list and consistent sell outs for low category games. No evidence needed, because I am not making up theories. Then you'll have waited to long then. You will be a) losing substantial income from those that can't get in, and b) risk losing those peoples interest as they find alternative entertainment in the meantime. Any stadium that achieves occasional sellouts AND averages 90%+ capacity already has the potential for extending. No-one expects to 100% fill their stadium with every event . We've done that consistently in the PL, at the Dell, at SMS first time round and already looks like repeating it this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Then you'll have waited to long then. You will be a) losing substantial income from those that can't get in, and b) risk losing those peoples interest as they find alternative entertainment in the meantime. Any stadium that achieves occasional sellouts AND averages 90%+ capacity already has the potential for extending. No-one expects to 100% fill their stadium with every event . We've done that consistently in the PL, at the Dell, at SMS first time round and already looks like repeating it this season. I don't see that as being a particular problem with a 32,000 capacity stadium and Premier League TV money. Plenty of other clubs have waited and are still waiting for new grounds but it hasn't stopped Spurs finishing fourth, Everton finishing top eight or Chelsea winning the Champions League. Our ground as it is is not going to stop up acheiving any of our ambitions. And as for the 90% thing, do you propose we keep expanding and expanding until we're at, what, 80% capacity all the time? Full stadiums, in professional football are in themselves a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 I don't have shred of evidence to support the fact that Derby and Forest are about the same as us? Really? Thirty odd years of attendances when all three clubs have been in similar circumstances at similar times. Next. So Wigan attendance in our super new Cortesedome? Less than 30k then. Brilliant. Next. You are often keen to suggest Saints are in some unique position compared to other clubs. We aint. And you don't have a shred of evidence. Next. So not enough Pompey fans to justify a stadium expansion on then. Any shreds here? No? Next. The away fans thing is just simple horses hit anyway. We shouldn't do it, and if we need to do it to pay for a stadium expansion then we don't need the expansion. Any other clubs built multi million pound expansions with away fans specifically in mind? Any shreddy-weds here? No? Next. And sorry... you NEVER agree with my final line, hence all your fairy stories about catchment area, away fan ticket bonanzas, pompey fans, and all the rest of it. All garbage you don't have a shred of evidence to support. You see, I don't need a shred of evidence. I am waiting for a season ticket waiting list and consistent sell outs for low category games. No evidence needed, because I am not making up theories. You are. All the time. Where's your shreds of evidence? Blah, Blah, Blah. Next. Blah, Blah Blah, Next Blah, Blah, Blah. Next I'm already far too bored with this speculation about a hypothetical situation. As usual, you show yourselves totally incapable of getting the right end of the stick, probably deliberately. For example, I wasn't talking about you not having a shred of evidence to support your little hypothesis about the mighty Derby and Forest. I was talking about you not having a shred of evidence about Cortese's plans for stadium expansion and when he might bring it about and what the trigger for it will be and what the policy will be regarding the sale of tickets. I repeat. You know nothing. So really quite pointless in debating this further with you if you're going to twist everything I say to suit yourself. You probably think it makes you look clever. It doesn't. It makes you look a bit thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Blah, Blah, Blah. Next. Blah, Blah Blah, Next Blah, Blah, Blah. Next I'm already far too bored with this speculation about a hypothetical situation. As usual, you show yourselves totally incapable of getting the right end of the stick, probably deliberately. For example, I wasn't talking about you not having a shred of evidence to support your little hypothesis about the mighty Derby and Forest. I was talking about you not having a shred of evidence about Cortese's plans for stadium expansion and when he might bring it about and what the trigger for it will be and what the policy will be regarding the sale of tickets. I repeat. You know nothing. So really quite pointless in debating this further with you if you're going to twist everything I say to suit yourself. You probably think it makes you look clever. It doesn't. It makes you look a bit thick. Nope it makes him look like he knows what he is talking about a hell of a lot more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Nope it makes him look like he knows what he is talking about a hell of a lot more than you. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I'm intrigued why some of our fans are determined to invent new "innovative" ways to sell tickets to justify a bigger stadium. There seems to be a need on here to create all manner of different sales methods in order to justify increasing stadium capacity and then filling it. We've had the proposed idea of a broader range of prices; the German model of creating cheaper tickets subsidised by a range of more expensive ones. We've had the proposal of dynamic pricing. And now we've got the proposition of selling more tickets to away fans than is standard. I'm led to think; why? Why do we need to be so ground-breaking to justify a bigger stadium? Why are we looking to do things that pretty much no other club in the top ten is looking to do (the exact same top ten clubs that we're trying to join and emulate)? Why are we completely different to the others? The other clubs that are looking to expand their stadiums (Tottenham, Reading, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City etc etc); are they considering the same things as this? Are Man City thinking of increasing to a 60K ground and proposing doubling the size of their away end to 6,000, because that is 10% of capacity? If not, why aren't they considering it? Why is it such a good idea for us, but seemingly not for other sides? Also, big sides like Everton and Villa had attendances last season well below capacity; thousands of empty seats for various games. Why did they not increase the away allocation to 10% or whatever? If it's such a plausible idea, why didn't Everton or Villa do it? I'm all for the club looking at new and inventive methods, if they work and if they make sense. But they haven't done that so far though, our pricing and ticketing strategy is pretty much the same now as it has ever been. So I always find it a little baffling that all these new "creative" ideas come forth. The sides that have sold more away tickets than the regulations dictate are, from what I can see, the likes of Fulham, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn. Pompey have done it. QPR have done it in the lower leagues. Not exactly the sides we should be looking to copy, surely? And I'm still to see an abundance of top ten Premier League sides doing it. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I'm intrigued why some of our fans are determined to invent new "innovative" ways to sell tickets to justify a bigger stadium. There seems to be a need on here to create all manner of different sales methods in order to justify increasing stadium capacity and then filling it. We've had the proposed idea of a broader range of prices; the German model of creating cheaper tickets subsidised by a range of more expensive ones. We've had the proposal of dynamic pricing. And now we've got the proposition of selling more tickets to away fans than is standard. I'm led to think; why? Why do we need to be so ground-breaking to justify a bigger stadium? Why are we looking to do things that pretty much no other club in the top ten is looking to do (the exact same top ten clubs that we're trying to join and emulate)? Why are we completely different to the others? The other clubs that are looking to expand their stadiums (Tottenham, Reading, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City etc etc); are they considering the same things as this? Are Man City thinking of increasing to a 60K ground and proposing doubling the size of their away end to 6,000, because that is 10% of capacity? If not, why aren't they considering it? Why is it such a good idea for us, but seemingly not for other sides? Also, big sides like Everton and Villa had attendances last season well below capacity; thousands of empty seats for various games. Why did they not increase the away allocation to 10% or whatever? If it's such a plausible idea, why didn't Everton or Villa do it? I'm all for the club looking at new and inventive methods, if they work and if they make sense. But they haven't done that so far though, our pricing and ticketing strategy is pretty much the same now as it has ever been. So I always find it a little baffling that all these new "creative" ideas come forth. The sides that have sold more away tickets than the regulations dictate are, from what I can see, the likes of Fulham, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn. Pompey have done it. QPR have done it in the lower leagues. Not exactly the sides we should be looking to copy, surely? And I'm still to see an abundance of top ten Premier League sides doing it. Why? It's the Southampton Way FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmore Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 Nope it makes him look like he knows what he is talking about a hell of a lot more than you. Nah. It really does make him look thick, and you of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 Nah. It really does make him look thick, and you of course. And kraken and turkish. We are all a bunch of thickos with no ambition ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 And kraken and turkish. We are all a bunch of thickos with no ambition ffs Dell-sized mentality morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I don't see that as being a particular problem with a 32,000 capacity stadium and Premier League TV money. Plenty of other clubs have waited and are still waiting for new grounds but it hasn't stopped Spurs finishing fourth, Everton finishing top eight or Chelsea winning the Champions League. Our ground as it is is not going to stop up acheiving any of our ambitions. And as for the 90% thing, do you propose we keep expanding and expanding until we're at, what, 80% capacity all the time? Full stadiums, in professional football are in themselves a good thing. Not arguing as such, but surely an extra 10k bums on seats for example could generate enough income to pay the annual salaries of say two top quality players (lets say of Ramirez standard or better) that would substantially assist an increase in our position in the Prem over time which in turn would keep more bums on seats etc. The question I guess is when to pull the trigger and provide those extra seats - bit of a strategic dilemna that Cortese is paid to decide on. Lastly, it's worth mentioning that while we don't necessarily get 100% seat allocation now, there are many areas that are just not suitable for potential buyers - i.e. behind goals - right down the front (I wouldn't want to sit there) - gap between away fans etc., so there is possibly a need to provide more non-exec, unhindered view, seating anyway - probably by expansion of the Kingsland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 Nah. It really does make him look thick, and you of course. So what's your proposal then Einstein? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I'm already far too bored with this speculation about a hypothetical situation. As usual, you show yourselves totally incapable of getting the right end of the stick, probably deliberately. For example, I wasn't talking about you not having a shred of evidence to support your little hypothesis about the mighty Derby and Forest. I was talking about you not having a shred of evidence about Cortese's plans for stadium expansion and when he might bring it about and what the trigger for it will be and what the policy will be regarding the sale of tickets. I repeat. You know nothing. So really quite pointless in debating this further with you if you're going to twist everything I say to suit yourself. You probably think it makes you look clever. It doesn't. It makes you look a bit thick. Why do I need a shred of evidence about something I've never ever said or claimed? When have I ever said I know anything about Cortese's plans? When and where have I even suggested it? Good luck on finding shreds of evidence for that one. Or are you just "twisting things" to suit yourself? That'll be yes, then. So it's me looking a "bit thick" there is it? Wes Tender you really know nothing and I fell embarassed for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 Why do I need a shred of evidence about something I've never ever said or claimed? When have I ever said I know anything about Cortese's plans? When and where have I even suggested it? Good luck on finding shreds of evidence for that one. Or are you just "twisting things" to suit yourself? That'll be yes, then. So it's me looking a "bit thick" there is it? Wes Tender you really know nothing and I fell embarassed for you. *Yawn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I'm intrigued why some of our fans are determined to invent new "innovative" ways to sell tickets to justify a bigger stadium. There seems to be a need on here to create all manner of different sales methods in order to justify increasing stadium capacity and then filling it. We've had the proposed idea of a broader range of prices; the German model of creating cheaper tickets subsidised by a range of more expensive ones. We've had the proposal of dynamic pricing. And now we've got the proposition of selling more tickets to away fans than is standard. I'm led to think; why? Why do we need to be so ground-breaking to justify a bigger stadium? Why are we looking to do things that pretty much no other club in the top ten is looking to do (the exact same top ten clubs that we're trying to join and emulate)? Why are we completely different to the others? The other clubs that are looking to expand their stadiums (Tottenham, Reading, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City etc etc); are they considering the same things as this? Are Man City thinking of increasing to a 60K ground and proposing doubling the size of their away end to 6,000, because that is 10% of capacity? If not, why aren't they considering it? Why is it such a good idea for us, but seemingly not for other sides? Also, big sides like Everton and Villa had attendances last season well below capacity; thousands of empty seats for various games. Why did they not increase the away allocation to 10% or whatever? If it's such a plausible idea, why didn't Everton or Villa do it? I'm all for the club looking at new and inventive methods, if they work and if they make sense. But they haven't done that so far though, our pricing and ticketing strategy is pretty much the same now as it has ever been. So I always find it a little baffling that all these new "creative" ideas come forth. The sides that have sold more away tickets than the regulations dictate are, from what I can see, the likes of Fulham, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn. Pompey have done it. QPR have done it in the lower leagues. Not exactly the sides we should be looking to copy, surely? And I'm still to see an abundance of top ten Premier League sides doing it. Why? I expect Cortese's plan will be more along the lines of; play better football - be more successful - grow the fanbase over time. I'm sure even your Dell-sized brain can understand that concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I expect Cortese's plan will be more along the lines of; play better football - be more successful - grow the fanbase over time. I'm sure even your Dell-sized brain can understand that concept. Stunning revelations; thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 *Yawn* Right you are then, Captain Shred. See you next time for you to make more sh it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I expect Cortese's plan will be more along the lines of; play better football - be more successful - grow the fanbase over time. I'm sure even your Dell-sized brain can understand that concept. I would prefer Cortese to grow the team something he appears to have failed according to many instead of spreading propaganda to gullible fans. To build a larger stadium would be a ridilulous gamble as there is no guarantee that SFC will be in the PL in three years time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I would prefer Cortese to grow the team something he appears to have failed according to many instead of spreading propaganda to gullible fans. To build a larger stadium would be a ridilulous gamble as there is no guarantee that SFC will be in the PL in three years time How has he failed to build a team? We've had back to back promotions and spent approx £30mill in the summer. Cortese was laughed at last year by the usual suspects when he said he wanted to win the Championship yet we came within a few points. Building a new stadium now would obviously be pointless, planning ahead is not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 (edited) I expect Cortese's plan will be more along the lines of; play better football - be more successful - grow the fanbase over time. I'm sure even your Dell-sized brain can understand that concept. So not build it now and then introduce some creative, inventive ticket pricing that no other club in this country has thought was workable in hope to attract new fans, fans of other clubs and more away fans then? Edited 14 October, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 So not build it now and then introduce some creative, inventive ticket pricing that no other club in this country has thought was workable in hope to attract new fans, fans of other clubs and more away fans then? No, that concept just exists in you head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 (edited) No, that concept just exists in you head. So if you disagree with that and as per your other comments that it would be pointless to expand now and we should in fact build and increase the fan base over time by being more successful and expand then if nessasary. in your haste to have an arguement you've actually been too thick to realise you actually agree with myself, Kracken and so on, the ones you were calling thick and having Dell sized mentalities. You agree with us, dont realise you agree with us, are arguing against us and saying we are thick with Dell sized mentalities. How odd. what does that make you dumbass? Edited 14 October, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 So if you disagree with that and as per your other comments that it would be pointless to expand now and we should in fact build and increase the fan base over time by being more successful and expand then if nessasary. in your haste to have an arguement you've actually been too thick to realise you actually agree with myself, Kracken and so on, the ones you were calling thick and having Dell sized mentalities. You agree with us, dont realise you agree with us and think we are think. How odd. what does that make you dumbass? Bored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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