aintforever Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Yep. On moving to St Mary's we finished 12th, 8th and 11th in the first three seasons. If NA achieves that in his first 3 season I suspect he'll get a bit more praise than "I don't think it was that great". What Strachan did was superb considering his resources. What the club achieved was only flirting with success though when you consider what Boro and Fulham did for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 What Strachan did was superb considering his resources. What the club achieved was only flirting with success though when you consider what Boro and Fulham did for example. boro and fulham spent way more than us...way more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Aston Villa spent over £100m between 2008-11 and never finished higher than 6th or got to the FA Cup final. How much more improvement are you expecting? I expect Cortese will be aiming for Europe. Will take a while but that will be his plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 boro and fulham spent way more than us...way more I know, there is no reason why we cannot spend similar to them now though. That's my point, Strachan was always up against it money wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 What Strachan did was superb considering his resources. What the club achieved was only flirting with success though when you consider what Boro and Fulham did for example. Both of theirs highest ever league position was 7th, one place higher than ours. They also both got to a cup final. Middlesborough have since been relegated and Fulham almost did before Hodgson save them. So how have they achieved so much more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 I know, there is no reason why we cannot spend similar to them now though. That's my point, Strachan was always up against it money wise. Despite all the extra spending of Villa, Boro and Fulham their best finishes have only been 1 or 2 places above ours which "wasn't that great". What do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 What Strachan did was superb considering his resources. What the club achieved was only flirting with success though when you consider what Boro and Fulham did for example. Boro's highest ever finish in the PL was 7th, which they achieved once. Their next best was 9th. Cups aside, their league record is hardly any better than ours. Fulham's highest ever is also 7th. The thing that distuingishes us are their Europa cup records; certainly not league form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Both of theirs highest ever league position was 7th, one place higher than ours. They also both got to a cup final. Middlesborough have since been relegated and Fulham almost did before Hodgson save them. So how have they achieved so much more? Boro actually won something and got to a UEFA cup final for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Boro actually won something and got to a UEFA cup final for starters. FA cup final or UEFA Cup final? Not a lot of difference. I'll give you it but one carling cup win and a highest league postion of one place higher is hardly a massive success considering the amount they spent compared to us and our "not that great" performances and achievements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 FA cup final or UEFA Cup final? Not a lot of difference. I'll give you it but one carling cup win and a highest league postion of one place higher is hardly a massive success considering the amount they spent compared to us and our "not that great" performances and achievements. I'm sorry but any shower of sh!te can get to a FA Cup Final with an easy enough draw, Millwall and Portsmouth have proved that. Apart from Spurs in the 3rd round we just got an easy run of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 FA cup final or UEFA Cup final? Not a lot of difference. I'll give you it but one carling cup win and a highest league postion of one place higher is hardly a massive success considering the amount they spent compared to us and our "not that great" performances and achievements. They are iImpressive achievements, but you really can't just judge on cup success. In 1996/97 Boro got to two cup finals and were relegated. Much more recently Birmingham won the League Cup and got relegated. Both of those seasons were considered a failure for their teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 I'm sorry but any shower of sh!te can get to a FA Cup Final with an easy enough draw, Millwall and Portsmouth have proved that. Apart from Spurs in the 3rd round we just got an easy run of games. We weren't a shower of sh*t though, we finished 8th. One place below teams who you think have had so much more success than us and two places beneath a team that spent over £100m in three seasons. "not that great" though, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 They are iImpressive achievements, but you really can't just judge on cup success. In 1996/97 Boro got to two cup finals and were relegated. Much more recently Birmingham won the League Cup and got relegated. Both of those seasons were considered a failure for their teams. You're right, as dumbass says, any shower of sh*t can get to a cup final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 You're right, as dumbass says, any shower of sh*t can get to a cup final. Lets also not forget that Boro finished 14th in the PL in the year they got to the UEFA cup final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 ffs, wigan got to a cup final pompey got to two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Randell Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Does this mean that a lot of kids between 2005-09 living in Southampton are now all Pompey fans because they had success in the late 00's whilst we were sh*t? Yeah, my son's 'mate' actually stopped supporting Saints when we went down and started supporting Pompey. Now a season ticket holder there. He's a complete t*at but it does (unbievably I know) actually happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Yeah, my son's 'mate' actually stopped supporting Saints when we went down and started supporting Pompey. Now a season ticket holder there. He's a complete t*at but it does (unbievably I know) actually happen. Happens a lot in the marginal areas like Fareham and Locks Heath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 I think just taking figures for money spent and looking at where those clubs got to is missing the point somewhat. What Saints are clearly aiming for is resources PLUS world class management at all levels. It is the second part that would set us apart. Whether that is acheivable is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 We weren't a shower of sh*t though, we finished 8th. One place below teams who you think have had so much more success than us and two places beneath a team that spent over £100m in three seasons. "not that great" though, yes? What Strachan achieved, given his resources, was excellent. SFC now has the potential to achieve more. F*ck me it's not that hard to understand is it? I can't believe I've ended up being trolled by the numpty again. This forum is being ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Yeah, my son's 'mate' actually stopped supporting Saints when we went down and started supporting Pompey. Now a season ticket holder there. He's a complete t*at but it does (unbievably I know) actually happen. There should be thousands of them though, i wonder how many other people know all these young fans who are Pompey fans due to their success when we were sh*t, I don't know any, anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 What Strachan achieved, given his resources, was excellent. SFC now has the potential to achieve more. F*ck me it's not that hard to understand is it? I can't believe I've ended up being trolled by the numpty again. This forum is being ruined. No, "it wasn't that great" you said. Was it excellent or "not that great"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Happens a lot in the marginal areas like Fareham and Locks Heath. Does it? Although Just Mike was quite specific that fans either end of the M27 will now become Saints fans. I expect to see hundreds of Saints shirts next time I visit Gunwharf Quay in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Yeah, my son's 'mate' actually stopped supporting Saints when we went down and started supporting Pompey. Now a season ticket holder there. He's a complete t*at but it does (unbievably I know) actually happen. I'd suggest your son needs to give his "mate" a good slap and a talking to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 I know someone who was at St Mary's when we were in the prem and has been at Fratton Park every season since we went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 June, 2012 ffs, wigan got to a cup final pompey got to two And both Middlesbrough and Fulham reached the UEFA cup final! Believe lads... if run properly we can dream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Does this mean that a lot of kids between 2005-09 living in Southampton are now all Pompey fans because they had success in the late 00's whilst we were sh*t? No, but some of the ones who used to wear Skate shirts and are now invisible in Winchester, Eastleigh and Fareham probably are headed that way - and we've probably converted a few Bournemouth plastics in the past 2 seasons as well... I'm shocked how many "Cardiff City fans" I now know who had never been to see them play until they got to the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Does it? Although Just Mike was quite specific that fans either end of the M27 will now become Saints fans. I expect to see hundreds of Saints shirts next time I visit Gunwharf Quay in that case. Based on my Newport/Cardiff experience, if they go bust and you don't go there until 2017 that might well be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 We've seen a number of comments on this board about not being able to afford season tickets any longer. I'll probably only get to 3 or 4 matches at the start of the season and Christmas and I'm already expecting to wince at the prices I'm going to pay, but my bigger worry is actually getting hold of them as I'm not in the country. It was bad enough at home on Boxing Day to Exeter with 30k, but New Year's Day against Arsenal? Now because it's a bit of an event for me I'll make the effort, but a lot won't if it's too much effort, or if they can't sit with friends. A ballot system is frankly one of the major arguments for greater capacity for exactly similar reasons, an off-putting process to undertake on a regular basis (leaving semis and CFs out of it). Also The Kraken: "And I guess that's where we differ; you seem to state you favour a "Build it and they will come" approach. I just see it the other way round. " We built SMS and moved from 14.5 maximum crowd to an average 10k greater. There is already knowledge of the dynamics of expansion from out own club and others, and I feel confident that the club have enough figures and commercial nous to move ahead on an appropriate timescale and that may be slightly ahead of the market. I tend to think that timescale might surprise us all, but I'm not assuming anything: that's why next season is going to be so interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 (edited) Based on my Newport/Cardiff experience, if they go bust and you don't go there until 2017 that might well be the case. No, but some of the ones who used to wear Skate shirts and are now invisible in Winchester, Eastleigh and Fareham probably are headed that way - and we've probably converted a few Bournemouth plastics in the past 2 seasons as well... I'm shocked how many "Cardiff City fans" I now know who had never been to see them play until they got to the Championship. We'll see. Forgive me for being skeptical that thousands of fans in Portsmouth are suddenly going to start actively supporting their big rivals. It didn't happen in Southampton when we were L1 and they were winning the FA cup. Leeds fans haven't suddenly become Man U fans whilst they were in L1 and the championship? Are Caridff fans now following Swansea because they're in the Premier League? Are West Ham braced for all the Millwall fans set to pull in the claret and blue next season now their back in top flight? How welcome are all the Ipswich fans travelling to Carrow Road very week now they've switched teams? I could go on. Is it Happenng there? Edited 21 June, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Even though it's rubbish, I'd sooner not have any potential "converts" from those two thanks very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Also The Kraken: "And I guess that's where we differ; you seem to state you favour a "Build it and they will come" approach. I just see it the other way round. " We built SMS and moved from 14.5 maximum crowd to an average 10k greater. There is already knowledge of the dynamics of expansion from out own club and others, and I feel confident that the club have enough figures and commercial nous to move ahead on an appropriate timescale and that may be slightly ahead of the market. I tend to think that timescale might surprise us all, but I'm not assuming anything: that's why next season is going to be so interesting! That analogy has been suggested a few times before. There are some parallels of course, but the two situations are also very different. Pretty much all home games were sold out at the Dell, and those games sold out very, very quickly. The Dell also had a season ticket waiting list, which we don't now. Moving to a bigger stadium wasn't the issue, everyone knew we needed to do that. Moving to a 32K stadium proved a few people wrong on how big a stadium needed to be, and that was the clever part: accurately predicting what our new capacity should have been. It was a brave move to say that Stoneham's 25K was probably a mistake and we should aim for more. I don't tend to think the timescale will surprise me. Even if the club started planning now and put in applications etc, we're years away from a start. Reading have had plans for expansion since 2007 and done nothing with them. We haven't actually got formal plans yet; and I assume that reason to be because the club don't yet know what a realistic capacity of an extended stadium would yet be. And while they may have all the information from our previous time in the PL, I don't believe they are a hugely reliable benchmark. For a start the figures are 10 years old, and apart from our post FA Cup season (for which most games sold out) we had three seasons during which we didn't sell out the home allocation for a significant number of games. The vaguaries of the "Our future?" statement suggest to me that the club are laying down a challenge to the supporters. IMO we need to show at least 2, 3 maybe 4 seasons of continual sell-outs before the stadium expansion dream will become a reality. In the interim we can (and I hope we do) press on with formal plans, planning permission etc, but I think the go/no go decision is a few years away yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 (edited) Even though it's rubbish, I'd sooner not have any potential "converts" from those two thanks very much. Not converts though, we're talking about reaching the annual new crop of c1,500 7 or 8 years olds from the Fareham / Warsash area who dont yet have an allegiance. Same with places like Ringwood for B'mouth and Basingstoke for Reading. Could add up to to c3,000 new kids each year in our area getting in to football with Saints rather than any other club. Edited 21 June, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 All very sensible, but how very dare you mention the catchment area! You run the risk of the forum fashionistas jumping on this comment and telling you that the catchment area has nothing to do with our potential to fill an enlarged stadium and how clubs like Derby have larger catchment areas, what with all the villages in the Peak District, etc. Funny. No one has said Derby has a bigger catchment area than Saints. Just the simple fact that Saints do NOT have now, never have had, or never will have a "unique" catchment area which is what you and your self proclaimed "intelligent posters" like to claim. You also like to peddle uninformed guff about cities with two clubs or with clubs close by could never compete with Saints on attendances despite the fact a four year old could compare the gates of Forest or Wednesday and see they match or beat SolentCityMegaSaints over the years and the decades. Derby has been down the road from Forest for like, what, ten years or more, and amazingly never stopped Derby having comparable (sometimes better) gates than MegaCatchmentSaints. But feel free to make stuff up to cover up how pathetically wrong you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Also nice to see the old Easyjet pricing model banded about again. Absolutely stunning stuff. Anyone care to explain why Stelios Cortese hasn't bothered even trying it at all in the last two years with six to eight thousand spare seats to play with....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Also nice to see the old Easyjet pricing model banded about again. Absolutely stunning stuff. Anyone care to explain why Stelios Cortese hasn't bothered even trying it at all in the last two years with six to eight thousand spare seats to play with....? Surely the ticket tax, the matchday premium and the parking levy are all budget airline inspired swindles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Also nice to see the old Easyjet pricing model banded about again. Absolutely stunning stuff. Anyone care to explain why Stelios Cortese hasn't bothered even trying it at all in the last two years with six to eight thousand spare seats to play with....? 1. Because it clashes with PL rules about sharing revenue and equal charging as they stand. 2. Sky move matches around at short notice. Im surprised you didnt know this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Also nice to see the old Easyjet pricing model banded about again. Absolutely stunning stuff. Anyone care to explain why Stelios Cortese hasn't bothered even trying it at all in the last two years with six to eight thousand spare seats to play with....? I'm not necessarily buying this, just putting it out there like. Whenever these threads have been up before it's been mooted that Saints/NC didn't need to cut prices ... history would appear to have borne that out.We have achieved 5 yrs worth of success in 3 yrs, the marginal income/marginal support hasn't been missed and here we are in the PL with PL prices and all set for sell-outs/near sell-outs for the foreseeable. NC didn't cut the prices for the last three seasons a) because he didn't need to, and b) because he was conducting a real-time evaluation of just what was the 'pure' level of demand for Div3 and Div2 football at SMS? Who can say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Funny. No one has said Derby has a bigger catchment area than Saints. Just the simple fact that Saints do NOT have now, never have had, or never will have a "unique" catchment area which is what you and your self proclaimed "intelligent posters" like to claim. You also like to peddle uninformed guff about cities with two clubs or with clubs close by could never compete with Saints on attendances despite the fact a four year old could compare the gates of Forest or Wednesday and see they match or beat SolentCityMegaSaints over the years and the decades. Derby has been down the road from Forest for like, what, ten years or more, and amazingly never stopped Derby having comparable (sometimes better) gates than MegaCatchmentSaints. But feel free to make stuff up to cover up how pathetically wrong you are. Ah! The great man has pronounced on the matter, so any further debate is futile. CB Fry and his towering intellect is the last word on the matter. See, I warned those other posters not to mention the question of catchment area, as it matters not how many clubs share a city, or how far away from a club other rival cities with clubs are from them. It is also of no importance to the debate how long ago another club had it's glory years, poor old Saints can never brook comparison with them, even if they are in decline and we are on the up. There really is nothing more to discuss here, now we have the definitive response from our very own Brain of Britain. But just one thing; when did I, or anybody else say that we have a "unique" catchment area? I wonder whether you would be kind enough to point to the quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Aware that the conversation's moved on from here, but I'd like to drag it back just to point out that the Amex already has the space for the building work they're embarking on at the moment, hence why it doesn't look like much. When we went there in January, it was clear that it was unfinished. Dragging it back again to the more recent points about an "upper limit" that St Mary's could be expanded to, I have vague recollection of the figure being (a completely unrealistic) 55k, with the Itchen being the only stand unable to be expanded due to the weight of the offices, corporate facilities, etc on the foundations. However, stadium design has changed substantially in the 11 years since SMS was built. I'm not entirely sure whether the more modern structures with more curves are lighter or heavier, but I'd say for certain that the 55k figure would no longer apply if any expansion were to be along the lines of a new-look design rather than simply an extension following the more dated Barr identikit pattern. Also, a friend of mine who works in geotechnics was of the opinion that the foundations could be modified anyway - as with many things, it's basically a case of how much money you want to throw at it that will determine what sort of an impact you can make. Just a thought but maybe the extra building is intended to hold a new sports store, conference suite and offices? Would moving those out and leaving only corporate boxes, would that help reduce the weight load and free up space for seating and turnstiles, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 (edited) 1. Because it clashes with PL rules about sharing revenue and equal charging as they stand. 2. Sky move matches around at short notice. Im surprised you didnt know this.... So he hasn't bothered trying flexible pricing for the last two years because it's against PL rules? remind me whats divisions it is we've been in for the last two years. Remind me why West Ham were able to offer two for one groupon deals yet Saints weren't? Also if it is against PL rules to introduce flexible/easy jet pricing doesn't this rule out your brilliant idea of a starting mathchday ticket prices of £50 for seats, then when only a few thousand buy them reduce then price, then reduce it again, then again until they do sell out? I thought you'd have known this Timmy? Edited 22 June, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Ah! The great man has pronounced on the matter, so any further debate is futile. CB Fry and his towering intellect is the last word on the matter. See, I warned those other posters not to mention the question of catchment area, as it matters not how many clubs share a city, or how far away from a club other rival cities with clubs are from them. It is also of no importance to the debate how long ago another club had it's glory years, poor old Saints can never brook comparison with them, even if they are in decline and we are on the up. There really is nothing more to discuss here, now we have the definitive response from our very own Brain of Britain. But just one thing; when did I, or anybody else say that we have a "unique" catchment area? I wonder whether you would be kind enough to point to the quote? It is unique. Half of it is in the sea, a large % of it is Forest and overlapping with London club areas like Basingstoke. Yet Apparantly is massive, much bigger than anyone else in the country and it means thousands of fans from Surrrey, Kent, Sussex, Somerset, Wales, Warwickshire, Devon and Cornwall are all going got come to Southampton now to see premier league football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 1. Because it clashes with PL rules about sharing revenue and equal charging as they stand. 2. Sky move matches around at short notice. Im surprised you didnt know this.... We haven't been in the Premier League for the last two years. I'm surprised you didn't know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 The Easy Jet model is that the price rises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 It is unique. Half of it is in the sea, a large % of it is Forest and overlapping with London club areas like Basingstoke. Yet Apparantly is massive, much bigger than anyone else in the country and it means thousands of fans from Surrrey, Kent, Sussex, Somerset, Wales, Warwickshire, Devon and Cornwall are all going got come to Southampton now to see premier league football. apart from exiles like me...I can tell you that no one else will be coming from devon and cornwall to watch saints...down here, (the locals) if they don't support argyle or plymouth Albion (or cornish pirates). or Exeter football/rugby they ALL support Man U, Liverpool and to a lesser extent, arsenal and chelsea and with a few city fans they are happy enough to get their prem fix from the vast number of games on telly they certainly will not be doing a 2-3 hour trip EACH way and pay £30-odd quid to sit and all of a sudden support saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Not sure about the viability or even any desire and strategy about an EasyJet type model, dont know enough to consider whether its workable in a football evironment where STs always need to be the cheapest way to buy to make them attractive... unless there are say a set number of seats only to which this applies, which as others have pointed out is probably not possible given the FL/Prem rules. But for the record... when I have mentioned flexible pricing: 1. I am talking about an expansion of the ST range of prices to a model similar to those commonly used in Germany and othr countries. Eg certain sections and a certian number of ST are much cheaper, others more expensive. Not only would this encourage more kids, allow OAPs prices etc, but also ensure we are more inclusive - many are on record on here as havoing said Football is too expensive, so to see the same folk argue against a different pricing model that makes it more accessable to more folk, seems ironic at best, moronic at worst. Would we sell more tickets and make more revenue if we had full Adult STs starting at say £280 and rising to £750/£800? Greater capacity would mean we could do do this as well as Kids for £100 with a limit more appropriate? Simple concept and still ensures STs are cheapest way to watch 2. Single match day 'offers' - The rules indicate that cubs can make special offers on a set number of occasions - and for specific games doing specials for kids etc is always a great way to get them hooked at a young age. Why has this not been done previously with extra capacity in L1 and NPC?, dont know, better ask NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Well, there you go CB Fry. Thanks to DD quoting him when I have him on ignore, it is now clear there is another poster on here who says that our catchment area is unique; and it's your bosum buddy, your cohort-in-chief, Dorkish. In the absence of you being able to point to any serious poster stating that our catchment area is unique, console yourself that at least your mate thinks it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 The catchment thing is a red herring, there is no doubt that being in the prem will pull in more fans from the fringes, it will pull in more ad hoc fans and southern fans (****s) of the big northern teams for the big matches, but this won't be enough. To increase the attendance you have to get the less regular attendee to attend more, to do that you have to improve the offer (that horrible retail word). This is done through quality of football, quality of environment, accessibility and price. Bluewater ploughs something like 20% of their income into maintaining and improving the quality of the environment. Maybe we will improve the stadium add to the corporate offer (the red box) and improve the pre match and half time experience first before expanding the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 apart from exiles like me...I can tell you that no one else will be coming from devon and cornwall to watch saints...down here, (the locals) if they don't support argyle or plymouth Albion (or cornish pirates). or Exeter football/rugby they ALL support Man U, Liverpool and to a lesser extent, arsenal and chelsea and with a few city fans they are happy enough to get their prem fix from the vast number of games on telly they certainly will not be doing a 2-3 hour trip EACH way and pay £30-odd quid to sit and all of a sudden support saints. This can't be true Jamie. I don't believe you. Devon and Cornwall sit under this imaginary line from London, Birmingham and Liverpool which means everything below it is ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 I am talking about an expansion of the ST range of prices to a model similar to those commonly used in Germany and othr countries. Eg certain sections and a certian number of ST are much cheaper, others more expensive. Not only would this encourage more kids, allow OAPs prices etc, but also ensure we are more inclusive - many are on record on here as havoing said Football is too expensive, so to see the same folk argue against a different pricing model that makes it more accessable to more folk, seems ironic at best, moronic at worst. Would we sell more tickets and make more revenue if we had full Adult STs starting at say £280 and rising to £750/£800? Greater capacity would mean we could do do this as well as Kids for £100 with a limit more appropriate? Simple concept and still ensures STs are cheapest way to watch We already do this. At least towards the upper end of the scale. Regular ST prices now already go up to £780 for adult Premium seating in the Itchen. In fact the club have also brought out a new season ticket which allows access to one of the suites pre-game (on a pay basis) which comes in at over £1,000. So we have the more expensive STs already. Which, under your model, would unfortunately mean that we'd need to build a whole load of new seats just to price them cheaply. Unrealistic, I'd suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 This can't be true Jamie. I don't believe you. Devon and Cornwall sit under this imaginary line from London, Birmingham and Liverpool which means everything below it is ours. It's ok, everyone is looking at you, you can stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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