david in sweden Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Ryan dickson (@Ryandickson23) 18/06/2012 17:36 A business decision? Absolutely miffed! Looks like I'm stuck still watching premiership football for the season could be worse! Crazy not happy, eh ? ......well... he could refuse to accept the pay rise and go play for someone else who can afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Upset about a business decision keeping him from playing football? If it's wages only and not transfer fee that's the problem then maybe he should make a business decision to take a pay cut for the benefit of his career long term. If he doesn't like business he shouldn't sign contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Maybe he's talking about his sky contract having asked to cancel sky sports but is now stuck with it for a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Maybe he's talking about his sky contract having asked to cancel sky sports but is now stuck with it for a year? Maybe Dave, I had a similar issue with mine. Seems to be sorted now though. Fixtures look good. If the shoulder heals in time I will be at the Emirates with Vince and Neil. Fancy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Maybe he's talking about his sky contract having asked to cancel sky sports but is now stuck with it for a year? "Ryandickson23: @BenHamer21 cant beat playing though mate frustrated ant the word! Just can't understand not wanted so let me play else where!" ...says otherwise. Whoosh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 So he's going to be watching Premiership football all season and being paid for it? ....nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Yesterday I'm quite sure I saw a tweet from him, that is now gone. It read something along the lines of "Back in Southampton and already bored after 5 minutes". He just wants to play footy - spending your footballing career sitting in the stands is just not very satisfactory regardless of the wages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Can you turn them down? You can, but I can't imagine many people would, hence why I said in brackets 'who wouldn't?'. It's equally a bad business decision to spend what we did on him and keep paying him not to play, so something will have to give. I imagine he'll leave sooner rather than later, loan or permanently. it seems to me that many many business decisions in football are bad!! Few actually make long term sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Seems fairly obvious that Dickson's under contract to Saints and wants a season-long loan somewhere but there aren't any clubs that will want him who can cover the cost of his wages, and it's not in our interests to let him play for someone else on the cheap. If (Lge 1) teams can't cover enough of his wages then they can't have him, fairly simple. His options are therefore to get a permanent transfer (and renegotiate his wages downwards in line with the league he'll be playing in and team he's playing for) or sit there and lump it with Saints on more money than last season. He's not getting to see any Premiership football either way. FWIW the 25 man squad thing isn't as restrictive as people think, because none of our under 21s count towards the total. He's third choice left back though (assuming we don't sign another), how often do we expect he'd play? Unless Fox/Harding are injured he won't make the 7 man bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 "Ryandickson23: @BenHamer21 cant beat playing though mate frustrated ant the word! Just can't understand not wanted so let me play else where!" ...says otherwise. Whoosh? Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Maybe Dave, I had a similar issue with mine. Seems to be sorted now though. Fixtures look good. If the shoulder heals in time I will be at the Emirates with Vince and Neil. Fancy it? Hello Ron. Yes, big games ahead. I'm up for an Emirates trip but not if Vince is going. I can't stand him after he killed that monkey in Gibraltar that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Hello Ron. Yes, big games ahead. I'm up for an Emirates trip but not if Vince is going. I can't stand him after he killed that monkey in Gibraltar that time. The feeling is mutual since you burned his 'Maddison 10' 1995 away shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Would he not get shafted by his agent if he took a pay cut, as that's basically cutting the agent's income? I assume he has an agent and I also assume the agent will fk him over on future deals also. It may be difficult to take a pay cut if you've signed up to an agent deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 19 June, 2012 Share Posted 19 June, 2012 Would he not get shafted by his agent if he took a pay cut, as that's basically cutting the agent's income? I assume he has an agent and I also assume the agent will fk him over on future deals also. It may be difficult to take a pay cut if you've signed up to an agent deal! He could just get a new agent? If it is wages (which seems likely as that it specifically what has come out of Yeovil connections) then I imagine clubs have said that they will only pay those wages if they can get him on a free (or for a nominal fee). Saints obviously don't fancy letting him go for nothing, hence the impasse. It could also be that no other club are willing to take on 100% of his wages to take on him loan and we refuse to subsidise them. Dickson certainly could negotiate a lower wage packet with a new club if he was keen on moving elsewhere, but he's under no obligation to. His agent can't force him to do anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pahars_Legend Posted 20 June, 2012 Share Posted 20 June, 2012 One from the other day aswell 'All the best to Arron Martin being aloud out on loan' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 June, 2012 Share Posted 20 June, 2012 The 'business decision' is the most telling part. That suggests he has been told something by the powers that be at SFC, which suggests he cannot move elsewhere (be that on loan or permanently). Perhaps Saints see the investment in him as something they cannot write off? Or they received an offer that made no business sense? 'Business decision' suggests that if the right offer comes in they won't stand in his way, but that offer hasn't come in yet. Whatever it is, it seems the football part is fairly clear - he won't be playing for SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 20 June, 2012 Share Posted 20 June, 2012 Never say never. He's proved a decent back up on the left hand side. If he stays he is available for selection. Who would not want to test themselves at premier league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 June, 2012 Share Posted 20 June, 2012 Never say never. He's proved a decent back up on the left hand side. If he stays he is available for selection. Who would not want to test themselves at premier league? . If he doesn't make the 25-man squad then he isn't available for selection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 20 June, 2012 Share Posted 20 June, 2012 Maybe someone wanted him on loan for the season which would require us still paying part of his wages. Saints the said no. Would seem a valid reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/9773978.Saints_star_hits_out_after_move_collapses/?ref=twt&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter FORGOTTEN Saint Ryan Dickson is “absolutely miffed” after missing out on a move to Crawley Town. The newly-promoted League One side had been hoping to bring the out-of-favour left back to Broadfield Stadium this summer. However, that would have likely meant a substantial pay cut for the 25-year-old. In order to facilitate the move, Dickson, right of picture, had hoped to come to a settlement on the remainder of his St Mary’s contract, which has a year left to run. But he could not reach an agreement with Saints. Dickson, who is understood to have received wage increases as a result of the club’s promotions to the Championship and then the Premier League, now appears to be preparing to ride out the remaining year of his deal. The defender has taken to social networking site Twitter to express his frustration at not getting a move. He tweeted: “A business decision? Absolutely miffed! Looks like I’m stuck still watching premiership football for the season could be worse! Crazy”. In response to a message from his former Brentford teammate, goalkeeper Ben Hamer, Dickson then added: “cant beat playing though mate frustrated ant the word! Just can't understand not wanted so let me play else where!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 . If he doesn't make the 25-man squad then he isn't available for selection Is that only league games though? Also it can change in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 He wants to move, but wants Saints to pay him off? Strange. If he really wants to play he will take what Crawley are offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 He wants to move, but wants Saints to pay him off? Strange. If he really wants to play he will take what Crawley are offering. Yes. I think most of us suspected that he wanted a pay off so that he could play and not be out of pocket. If he was willing to tear up his contract nobody would stand in his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Is that only league games though? Also it can change in January. Even if it is cup games, we'll only be in the League Cup before Xmas. The FA Cup kicks off for us in January. We enter the League Cup in round 2 and, if successful, could play a maximum of 4 ties before Xmas. If we go out in round 2, then its obviously just one game. And yes, it could change in January, but you'd be hard pushed to come up with a good reason (other than injury to other players) as to why he is being told there is no place for him right now but there would be in 6 months time (with very little competitive football behind him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Can't be that bothered about playing if he wasn't prepared to move. Money wins over playing, shock! So not play for a year and pick up a higher wage, or take a lower wage and play regular football.... don't see why we should pay up the last year of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Can't be that bothered about playing if he wasn't prepared to move. Money wins over playing, shock! So not play for a year and pick up a higher wage, or take a lower wage and play regular football.... don't see why we should pay up the last year of his contract. Absolutely. If "nothing beats playing" (his words) then he should have no qualms about taking a pay cut. I have nothing against the guy, but the club have done nothing wrong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Ryan told to wind his neck in looking at twitter comments just now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 @Ryandickson23: Apologise to saints fans for stupid comment footballs a crazy game one minute your on top of the world the next your climbing the walls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Ryan dickson @Ryandickson23 Was insensitive and selfish comment. yup words have been said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 @Ryandickson23: Apologise to saints fans for stupid comment footballs a crazy game one minute your on top of the world the next your climbing the walls! Well, maybe he can spend some of his massive amount of well-paid leisure time learning the English language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 yup words have been said Not necessarily by the club, wouldn't be surprised if a few hundred people hadn't pointed out on twitter than we're in a recession, lots of people are struggling and he's complaining about getting paid thousands a week for running around a park with no likely need to actually perform in public. He does have a choice, he can put in a transfer request... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Not necessarily by the club, wouldn't be surprised if a few hundred people hadn't pointed out on twitter than we're in a recession, lots of people are struggling and he's complaining about getting paid thousands a week for running around a park with no likely need to actually perform in public.... You know, there might be people in the world who, despite our recession, think that we've got it pretty bloody good ourselves and why are we complaining about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Not necessarily by the club, wouldn't be surprised if a few hundred people hadn't pointed out on twitter than we're in a recession, lots of people are struggling and he's complaining about getting paid thousands a week for running around a park with no likely need to actually perform in public. He does have a choice, he can put in a transfer request... Either way, he's big enough to apologise. Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Show me a man in any other line of work who has an iron clad contract who wants to work but his boss hasn't got anything for him, who would go to said boss and say tear it up mate, I'm no use to you but some fella down the road has some work paying substantially less that I think I'll do and I'll show you a liar. I'm no fan of multi millionaire footballers (I just like what they do on the park) but let's have some perspective. No one on here knows the ins and outs. The fact he wants to play but Cortese won't (I suspect) let him go and pay a portion (probably the majority) is the Chairman's decision, wrong in my mind but the lad's only got a few years in his career to make as much money as possible so stuff your self righteous BS where the sun don't shine because there's not a man amongst you who wouldn't grab as much as you can while you can. "Jealousy is the fear of comparison." And I see no need for an apology from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Show me a man in any other line of work who has an iron clad contract who wants to work but his boss hasn't got anything for him, who would go to said boss and say tear it up mate, I'm no use to you but some fella down the road has some work paying substantially less that I think I'll do and I'll show you a liar. I'm no fan of multi millionaire footballers (I just like what they do on the park) but let's have some perspective. No one on here knows the ins and outs. The fact he wants to play but Cortese won't (I suspect) let him go and pay a portion (probably the majority) is the Chairman's decision, wrong in my mind but the lad's only got a few years in his career to make as much money as possible so stuff your self righteous BS where the sun don't shine because there's not a man amongst you who wouldn't grab as much as you can while you can. "Jealousy is the fear of comparison." And I see no need for an apology from him. Agree 100% and is similar to the jimmy Carr thread.... Given the choice, who would turn it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 21 June, 2012 Share Posted 21 June, 2012 Agree 100% and is similar to the jimmy Carr thread.... Given the choice, who would turn it down? Jimmy Carr, apparently. Now he's been shown up, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Jimmy Carr, apparently. Now he's been shown up, that is. Two completely different things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 I thought the reason was that he wanted Saints to "buy out" the final year of his contract or at least settle on a decent package to compensate him for losing that final year of the contract? Seems a bit odd to play for someone else and expect your old club to keep paying but that's football I guess. Financially good for Dickson to stay and put his feet up. No advantage in Saints letting him go either. Seems we play hard ball with contracts these days. Surely Dickson has seen what a year has done to Puncheon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Show me a man in any other line of work who has an iron clad contract who wants to work but his boss hasn't got anything for him, who would go to said boss and say tear it up mate, I'm no use to you but some fella down the road has some work paying substantially less that I think I'll do and I'll show you a liar. I'm no fan of multi millionaire footballers (I just like what they do on the park) but let's have some perspective. No one on here knows the ins and outs. The fact he wants to play but Cortese won't (I suspect) let him go and pay a portion (probably the majority) is the Chairman's decision, wrong in my mind but the lad's only got a few years in his career to make as much money as possible so stuff your self righteous BS where the sun don't shine because there's not a man amongst you who wouldn't grab as much as you can while you can. "Jealousy is the fear of comparison." And I see no need for an apology from him. No-one saying he's doing anything wrong, he's perfectly within his rights to claim his wages for the final year of his contract. However, if that is what he chooses to do, he can't then moan publicly about the situation being unfair? He has a choice to make, play or take good money for a year. If he chooses to take the money, he can't then moan about not playing (or vice versa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 You know, there might be people in the world who, despite our recession, think that we've got it pretty bloody good ourselves and why are we complaining about anything. I'm sure there are, which is why I'm not complaining about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 Show me a man in any other line of work who has an iron clad contract who wants to work but his boss hasn't got anything for him, who would go to said boss and say tear it up mate, I'm no use to you but some fella down the road has some work paying substantially less that I think I'll do and I'll show you a liar. I'm no fan of multi millionaire footballers (I just like what they do on the park) but let's have some perspective. No one on here knows the ins and outs. The fact he wants to play but Cortese won't (I suspect) let him go and pay a portion (probably the majority) is the Chairman's decision, wrong in my mind but the lad's only got a few years in his career to make as much money as possible so stuff your self righteous BS where the sun don't shine because there's not a man amongst you who wouldn't grab as much as you can while you can. "Jealousy is the fear of comparison." And I see no need for an apology from him. If he's talking about taking a wage cut to play more as you suggest, then how is the counter argument that people can't be self-righteous because he's trying "to make as much money as possible" ? Because in that situation he ISN'T trying to make as much money as possible. People were only having a problem with him complaining about having to sit around and do nothing for lots of money, the underlying sentiment about playing being more important than the money is admirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 22 June, 2012 Share Posted 22 June, 2012 If he's talking about taking a wage cut to play more as you suggest, then how is the counter argument that people can't be self-righteous because he's trying "to make as much money as possible" ? Because in that situation he ISN'T trying to make as much money as possible. People were only having a problem with him complaining about having to sit around and do nothing for lots of money, the underlying sentiment about playing being more important than the money is admirable. Hey, if I loved my job but couldn't do it then I'd have a bone to pick. Not many of us are in that situation of course but I'm not sure I see an 'underlying sentiment' but who in their right mind would cut off their nose to spite their face in his situation. The underlying and clouding of the facts here is the fact posters on this sort of subject are one club people. This lad has a career to make and in this case shouldn't be judged in the same way as Bridgey who in all honesty could've taken a sizeable wage cut way earlier and still be quids in - though to my mind, WhyTF should he? It's only football and life's way more important than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 25 June, 2012 Share Posted 25 June, 2012 If his new wages have only been activated on Premier League promotion then its not quite the same as choosing to take a big pay cut from a salary you've been on for a while. I imagine he will have been told by the club that he won't be in the 25 man squad (and maybe even that we won't look to loan him out unless a club pays 100% of his wages), and therefore he won't feature at all. So he has a choice; either accept a deal from another club on lower wages (and a lot lower than his new found wealth), or take the cash and play for the development squad. As I understand it (and I am sure there will be plenty to correct me if I am wrong), we (the selling club) are still responsible for paying out the full contract (on a weekly basis) even if we sell the said player! So Dickson would get whatever his contract with Saints is worth, plus the new club wages. So, if we are unlikely to ever use him in the PL, best we get what we can - hopefully cover the remaining wages under present contract - which if thereis a massive increase due too promotion may be the issue? But surely better to re-coupe what we can (if he is unlikely to ever play in the PL). Maybe Dicky wants the cash, and the twit is a "face saver"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 June, 2012 Share Posted 25 June, 2012 If we sell him right now. We would still have to pay him any loyalty bonus. Which is probably why he has not put in a transfer request. Where of he did. He would miss out and various bonuses in his contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 June, 2012 Share Posted 29 June, 2012 so the question is .. does he want to move somewhere and play , albeit at a lower salary , or spend his time on the nightclub circuit ****ing it up with Tommy Forecast. He's not without talent, and didn't come cheap but happens to be cover for other established players who are on good form. A career choice..if we hadn't wanted him at all he'd be on the transfer list, if someone gets long term injured, he could find himself playing a bit.. but I agree he won't make the 25... as it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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