@BHiglett Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Just wondering what others thought.. Has Morgan reached his full potential? Personally, I think that he still has a lot more potential to fill and could become one of our best CMs in recent times.. With Jack, I don't think he was that outstanding this year despite playing all the Championship games. Again, still needs to mature at the top level, but together, they could hold down places in the team for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@BHiglett Posted 14 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Also.. Who do you want us to sign to bolster the midfield... Bit boring, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 morgan for me. i hope we sign an older experienced player to play alongside morgan who will add some steel/bite to our midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@BHiglett Posted 14 June, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2012 If we were to sign an experienced player, he would have to be attacking minded.. I was quite interested when Danny Murphy was released.. Been re-signed now, so that chance has gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I always feel that with Morgan in the team we have a good tempo. He has also matured in respect of his reactions to getting roughed up, he now just gives a shrug and walks away. Get his shooting boots calibrated and he will be viewed as a bit special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Morgan oozes class. It's no accident that those who fail to see it are the oldies who think every pass should be forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 (edited) I think Morgan will represent France at some point. He might not seem to do much in some peoples eyes, but in my opinion, this is more of a failure in how english fans perceive how football should be played. If a player doesn't collect the ball and burst forward, or launch it quickly into the box, score lots of goals etc then they're ineffective. Morgan is exactly the type of player that would slot in the spanish team (similar type of player to busquets in many ways), simply because he sets the tempo, looks after the ball and doesn't give it away. You can't really moan about players like that! Edited 14 June, 2012 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Both Morgan and Cork are my predictions for top rookie midfield in the Prem next year. They're both good on the ball Something that would be great for the club given the less direct football nature of top flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simondo Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 In answer to the question and based on last season IMHO, Cork was better first half of the season, but Morgan was excellent second half - I actually think they will do well together this season. Having said that, I want us to sign a top quality CB behind them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Morgan will make the transition to the Prem seemlessly. He'll enable us to compete. We need to find a few more with his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Something that would be great for the club given the less direct football nature of top flight. Except when we visit Upton Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Cork's good under pressure so he should be ok even though he's the worst finisher in the squad (including Forecast, probably), whilst Schneiderlin always looked 50% better when he'd just come back from France U-21s, so hopefully he's got it in him to pick up the pace of his passing. Hopeful for both to be ok, but I'd like to see us sign a couple of players who've played in the Prem top half at least semi-regularly to improve the midfield, because on occasion last season both struggled with the far less taxing Championship midfields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I love Morgan. If I was a woman he'd be the one Saints player I'd want to molest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Cork and Schneiderlin will be good in the prem. As others have said, both composed on the ball. I think they need a more experience head with them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 i hope we sign an older experienced player to play alongside morgan who will add some steel/bite to our midfield. Schneiderlin is the ball winner, he sits just in front of Fonte and Hooiveld as a defensive midfielder. He is good and winning possession and using his range of passing to start attacks going. Seemingly massively undervalued by a large proportion of the Saints fanbase, he is one of my favourite players and can see him being on the fringes of the French squad if he does well next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Schneiderlin is class and will continue to grow next season. Cork I'm unsure about but hope he can make the step up. No reason why 3/4 of our midfield can't start the same as it finished on April 18th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Schneiderlin is class and will continue to grow next season. Cork I'm unsure about but hope he can make the step up. No reason why 3/4 of our midfield can't start the same as it finished on April 18th. Cork probably has the best first touch in our team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I much prefer Jack Cork. Morgan could be a very good player; but I consider him far, far too casual far, far too often. Really good central midfielders of his style rarely make mistakes, and rarely give the ball away. Morgan does both with alarming regularity. Jack Cork does far more for me as a player overall; I would contend he had a much better start to last season than the end, but if we recall the start of the season he was a huge breath of fresh air and a great improvement on what we had. He also played in every single one of our league games. Saying that, I hope and trust we will sign a CM better than both of them, for some real competition for places. Cork and Schneiderlin are still very young and will only get better with experience (hopefully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I know this may sound stupid, but watching Modric today against Italy and the other day against Ireland, I think Jack Cork is a very similar player in our midfield. Obviously the NPC is a world away from the International Football standard but I honestly think both Corky and Morgan will shine in our midfield next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Cork probably has the best first touch in our team I hope this is a joke, Lallana's touch is about 100000000000 times better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Jack Cork really isn't as useful as Morgan. Comparing the two is stupid, talent wise it's like comparing Frankie Coccoza to Frank Sinatra. Morgan suits our style more with his long raking passes that are reminiscent of Xabi Alonso. The fact that Morgan often doesn't score does seem to grate on a few fans, but his long-range shooting is actually pretty accurate. I think he's one of those players that just prefers looking for the pass. My only problem with Morgan is that he's often too quick for those around him and when he has the ball the team have to be ready to make runs because he will find that pin-point pass. Sometimes our style of play means Morgan can look a bit casual, (when we play it out from Davies to Fonte). Morgan can improve, and yes he could be on the fringes of the French team if he has a good season. What we want from him this season is to calm the game down and give us an advantage when under-pressure from faster sides, his reading of the game is his most underrated asset. There have been countless times this season where he's been the man from midfield getting back to help the defense by making that all important last-ditch challenge. Frankly Jack Cork towards the end of last season was quite poor and seemed to be out of form, and would often make bad decisions. There is room for another midfielder, someone with a bit of experience and added 'bite' as people point out. But it has to be one who is mobile, big and with a fairly good touch. Not some journeyman who will be no better than Dean Hammond. Looking at Euro 2012, someone in the mold of the Ukrainian Anatoliy Tymoshchuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Schneiderlin won't get near the French team after a good season at Saints next year. He's nowhere near able to compete with Cabaye, M'Vila, Sissoko, Gourcuff, Capoue, etc. and won't be seriously considered for a little while longer. I do, however, feel that he has potential to be seen in the same way Joe Allen has this season - as a very very tidy young player with serious potential. Will take a little longer for it to become clear and for him to be able to begin asserting dominance upon games, influence-wise and dictating tempo at will and with regularity, but his class is clear to see. With experience and growth, he'll only get better - he's the sort of player who'll only grow better with age - one hopes that he's watching Andrea Pirlo every week with a notebook and getting everything down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Schneiderlin is the ball winner, he sits just in front of Fonte and Hooiveld as a defensive midfielder. He is good and winning possession and using his range of passing to start attacks going. Seemingly massively undervalued by a large proportion of the Saints fanbase, he is one of my favourite players and can see him being on the fringes of the French squad if he does well next season. That's why he's always so good on football manager then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Interesting to read that someone on here seriously thought that Jack Cork was "poor" this season! I on the other hand would be more than happy to see a Saints midfield built around a core of Lallana, Schneiderlin and Jack Cork in place for years to come because all 3 have a real chance of becoming established Premier League players methinks - that's a chance not a absolute certainty until the 'acid test' of a actual Premier League season has been completed. It seems to me that in a ideal world we could still do with another wide player (better than SDR or Guly) and a midfield enforcer type (better than either Hammond or Chaplow) ... but a fan can't always have everything he wants can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Cork probably has the best first touch in our team imo cork has the touch of a cement mixer compared to lallana. the best touch in the team my ar5e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 I hope this is a joke, Lallana's touch is about 100000000000 times better. Exactly, Lambert's first touch is as well. Cork is good at bringing the ball down under pressure though. Schneiderlin is the better of the two and was class last season. I think both will still improve and agree, Central Midfield is somewhere we should add one more quality individual, ideally one with Prem experience, struggling to think of too many names though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 (edited) That's why he's always so good on football manager then? In the 2010 version he is class and if you dont sell him when Arsenal come in with a £5m bid he puts in a transfer request to move to a bigger club. I didn't sell him though as it was impossible to say which was a bigger club on FM10 as he didn't clearly define it and even if he had neither of us was aware of some important information about what makes a club bigger on that years edition and what doesn't. Edited 15 June, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 To my mind we will begin to see the best of Morgan in the premiership.re Cork - they are different kinds of players but I think that Morgan is technically the better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Morgan is a briliant football player. He will thrive in the EPL imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_DB Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 On my FM11 game Schneiderlin was "the next Didier Deschamps" worth about £12m and regularly being called up for France by the time he was 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Cork is more industrious and has a better first touch than Morgan. Morgan is also more prone to givng away free kicks/penalties with rash/mistimed challenges as well. I expect them both to thrive but think Cork will be the better of the two in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 They will struggle in the prem as a CM pairing - we need a quality CM to play alongside one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Cork is more industrious and has a better first touch than Morgan.the latter part is funniest thing I've read in ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 I hope this is a joke, Lallana's touch is about 100000000000 times better. have you seen lamberts? sometimes im lost for words by his first touch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Schneiderlin will grace the premiership whereas Cork will be a squad player IMO. We do need another CM before the season starts but very expensive are midfielders who score goals and unlock defences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 In the 2010 version he is class and if you dont sell him when Arsenal come in with a £5m bid he puts in a transfer request to move to a bigger club. I didn't sell him though as it was impossible to say which was a bigger club on FM10 as he didn't clearly define it and even if he had neither of us was aware of some important information about what makes a club bigger on that years edition and what doesn't. I believe Wolves will be classed as the biggest club in the UK in 2013 with us and Man City just behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 the latter part is funniest thing I've read in ages you need to get out more .......just my opinion based on 40 years or so of watching football and having seen 40 or so of the matches last season. That said I think they will both play a large part in next season's campaign and they are both of premier league quality and will only improve with more experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Lallana has tricky feet but not the best first touch. Lambert I've seen have a very heavy touch at times. Cork can have a long ball played in the air which you expect to evade him and he'll bring it down like its stuck to his foot whilst under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Comparisons between the two are meaningless as they have different roles. But if you are going to compare then there is no contest. Morgan is a defensive midfielder whose game is to sit in front of the 2 CBs, break up play and then get us going again. He is supreme at this, hardly ever gives the ball away and has great first touch. he is not there to score goals, but still manages more than Cork or Hammond (just). Cork is supposed to be more of an attacking MF, but has relatively poor touch and cannot score to save his life. Hopefully he will improve this aspect of his game because we cannot afford to have an offensive midfielder who is unable to socre goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Schneiderlin is very classy - his 60 yard passes are excellent. He has the potential to become a huge PL star in the next few years. We are lucky to have him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Scheniederlin is our Makalele and i'm sure it won't be long before he's doing that in the french side. Although I think Cork is a great player I still think he needs to improve slightly in his attacking play. Get around the box more and score more goals. I know Morgan has been criticised by some for not doing enough of this but that's not his job and we need someone who does this to play alongside him. Sometimes when we lose control of games a little it's because our midfield is a bit deep for my liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Both required to be part of the side in the majority of the games.. The potential is there to see in both these players and hopefully both will blossom against the top sides for the mighty Saints.. Both styles of play will be important for the side to progress.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Morgan is Xabi Alonso mark II. For this we should be very excited. Alonso was still at Sociedad at Morgans age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiverton Saint Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Totally agree with you, the best footballer we have at SFC , really looking forward to seeing him in the premier league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 (edited) you need to get out more .......just my opinion based on 40 years or so of watching football and having seen 40 or so of the matches last season. You can watch as much football as you like, doesn't mean you read the game well. Not a chance Cork has a better touch than Morgan. I rate both, but in Morgan we have a guy that will have no problems in the Prem at all. You could see from pretty much his first touch in his first game that we had a player on our hands. Cork is decent too, but he needs a little more room to work in. Edited 15 June, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 I think people undervalue Schneiderlin, we really missed him when he wasn't playing last season. Cork will be a squad player next season, whereas Schneiderlin will start every game he's fit to play IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Really good central midfielders of his style rarely make mistakes, and rarely give the ball away. Morgan does both with alarming regularity. eh? I know I didn't see many games live, but "alarming regularity", you must be confusing him with someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 He's no Romain Gasmi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Morgan could be a very good player; but I consider him far, far too casual far, far too often. Really good central midfielders of his style rarely make mistakes, and rarely give the ball away. Morgan does both with alarming regularity. You really must watch a different game to me, Schneiderlin gives the ball away the least of any Saints player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 15 June, 2012 Share Posted 15 June, 2012 Would rate both of them a lot more if they got at least four or five goals per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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