dune Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 It's good to see BT are finally trying to get on the ball and give SKY some competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 One things for sure, the price of Sky Sports package will go up to help pay for it! I was half way through joing sky, until they fooked me about and added the hd pack (for about 10 quid a month) when I hadn't asked for it, whereupon I told them to ram it. Have joined BT vision instead and get phone line, phone (inc free evening and weekend calls), broadband, and bt vision unlimited/on demand including espn, and sky sports 1 and 2 for about 55 a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 With £14m extra you could admit everybody free for the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 An exert from the Telegraph.. Analysts cut their forecasts for BSkyB’s financial performance in 2014/15, because the price increase was “materially above” the 20pc rise they had factored in. BSkyB is understood to have budgeted for a bigger price increase than analysts had forecast, but will be forced to cut back on other content as a result of the deal. A spokesman said it would make “careful choices” about spending. “It is hard to put a positive spin on this for BSkyB,” said Alex De Groote at Panmure. “It illustrates the importance of football to the company. Premier League is the be all and end all. It is so important to BSkyB that it is obliged to meet a quite significant increase in costs, despite dilution of its exclusivity.” BSkyB will be able to choose 20 matches first, leaving BT with first pick on the next 18. The satellite broadcaster stands to capitalise on its 20 years of experience of choosing matches strategically so that it doesn’t bet on matches that clash with other major events and also has more flexibility than BT because it can show week-day matches. BT is restricted to Saturday games. BT is looking good for us then as SKY hoover up games for plastic fans. Also good to see there will be more saturday games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 BT is looking good for us then as SKY hoover up games for plastic fans. Also good to see there will be more saturday games. Why? Any televised Saturday game will be kicking off at 12.45 or 5.15. Both cr*ap times to watch footy either at the game or on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Any televised Saturday game will be kicking off at 12.45 or 5.15. Both cr*ap times to watch footy either at the game or on TV. Why are they "crap times" either "at the the game or on TV"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Why are they "crap times" either "at the the game or on TV"? I quite like the 5.15 kick off, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I quite like the 5.15 kick off, personally. Yep, so do I, in winter they are in the dark so have a similar atmosphere to a 7:45pm kickoff night game under the floodlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Why are they "crap times" either "at the the game or on TV"? It's a personal opinion from a social point of view. 12.45 rubbish, no proper time for a pint and lunch in the pub before the game. 5.15, too late in the day and encroaches on the evening too much. You really will try to question anything, won't you? Even when it involves personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 It's a personal opinion from a social point of view. 12.45 rubbish, no proper time for a pint and lunch in the pub before the game. 5.15, too late in the day and encroaches on the evening too much. You really will try to question anything, won't you? Even when it involves personal opinion. Pot, kettle, black. You were the one that questioned Dune saying he liked there being more Saturday games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Pot, kettle, black. You were the one that questioned Dune saying he liked there being more Saturday games. I'm not the one who questions everything without actually answering anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I'm not the one who questions everything without actually answering anything. What haven't I answered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 What haven't I answered? Many, many tedious things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I still roll over laughing at the thought of saints in the champions league any time soon. chelsea have just splashed £30m+ on hazard and still yet to splash more just to get back into the top 4 yet will will do it with lallana, morgan and james ward-prouse What's more amusing is that you probably mention Saints march to the Champions League more than anyone else. No one has said anything remotely like that from what I have seen in ages and I believe it was only 1 or 2 posters to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Many, many tedious things. And yet you can't name a single one... (not me that isn't answering questions at the moment is it? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I was half way through joing sky, until they fooked me about and added the hd pack (for about 10 quid a month) when I hadn't asked for it, whereupon I told them to ram it. Have joined BT vision instead and get phone line, phone (inc free evening and weekend calls), broadband, and bt vision unlimited/on demand including espn, and sky sports 1 and 2 for about 55 a month. All prem games will be shown on sky sports 3 from now on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 And yet you can't name a single one... (not me that isn't answering questions at the moment is it? ) Your whole sorry backtracking in the "we need to start building a bigger stadium right now" thread where you then claimed it was based upon ifs, buts and maybes and "that's not what I said at all" was a point in case. You seemingly never actually offer an opinion on something unless you're sure it can be proved to be irrefutably correct. I think you must be terrified at the thought of again being actually proved wrong about things you post on here. Just a personal opinion, of course. In any case, I'm sure every other person on here finds this thoroughly boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 No one has said anything remotely like that from what I have seen in ages and I believe it was only 1 or 2 posters to start with. There's more than two in the "Man climbed Everest" brigade and they all deserved to be mocked. A little, but often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Your whole sorry backtracking in the "we need to start building a bigger stadium right now" thread where you then claimed it was based upon ifs, buts and maybes and "that's not what I said at all" was a point in case. That isn't a lack of answers as you claim. You seemingly never actually offer an opinion on something unless you're sure it can be proved to be irrefutably correct. Evidence for such a claim? In any case, I'm sure every other person on here finds this thoroughly boring. I think you will find I'm like marmite, some people undoubtedly hate me (like you ), others like me. But unlike marmite, probably the majority are indifferent. I would imagine the users of this forum find you to be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 (edited) I particularly enjoyed MLGs logic that we can speculate on what Saints attendances in 2016 might be based on What Chelsea's were in 1984, Sunderlands in 1997, Readings in 1976. Yet when in came to comparing League one Leeds attendance at a home FA cup tie against premier league oposition live on terrestrial TV with league one saints playing premier league opposition in the FA cup live on terrestrial television that wasn't a reasonable comparison. Edited 14 June, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Evidence for such a claim? . This quote alone is irrefutable evidence that you are an autistic fu ckjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I for one welcome his ability to add facts to an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I particularly enjoyed MLGs logic that we can compare Saints attendances in 2012 to Chelsea's in 1984, Readings in 1976. I haven't done that, and what I did do you have taken out of context. Yet when in came to comparing League one Leeds attendance at a home FA cup tie against premier league oposition live on terrestrial TV with league one saints playing premier league opposition in the FA cup live on terrestrial television that wasn't a reasonable comparison. You've lost me here. What point are you trying to make with Leeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Don't get all precious, I don't hate you; I don't have too much room in my heart for hate, and certainly not for a random oddball on an internet forum. I just find it strange you pick your moments on here to (in the majority) go out of your way to correct posters' statements, without actually offering any noticeable definitive answers to any questions posed of you. Again, seeimingly for the fear that you might (shock horror) be proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I for one welcome his ability to add facts to an argument. "You can prove anything with facts can't you?" [video=youtube;4n-UGQcG3Jw] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I particularly enjoyed MLGs logic that we can speculate on what Saints attendances in 2016 might be based on What Chelsea's were in 1984, Sunderlands in 1997, Readings in 1976. Yet when in came to comparing League one Leeds attendance at a home FA cup tie against premier league oposition live on terrestrial TV with league one saints playing premier league opposition in the FA cup live on terrestrial television that wasn't a reasonable comparison. In his defence there Leeds is a much bigger city than Southampton, has more of a football history and better support, plus they were playing a fierce rival. Apart from that you are right. In The Kraken's defence I agree that Saturday televised games aren't that good especially if going to a Saints game at 3pm. If our game is away the televised fixtures are easily missed due to travelling. If at home we are normally in a crowded pub and not paying full attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I haven't done that, and what I did do you have taken out of context. You've lost me here. What point are you trying to make with Leeds? The standard MLG get out phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 There's more than two in the "Man climbed Everest" brigade and they all deserved to be mocked. A little, but often. ...and apparently on every thread on this forum ! Christ, it does get boring!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Don't get all precious, I don't hate you; I don't have too much room in my heart for hate, and certainly not for a random oddball on an internet forum. I just find it strange you pick your moments on here to (in the majority) go out of your way to correct posters' statements, without actually offering any noticeable definitive answers to any questions posed of you. Again, seeimingly for the fear that you might (shock horror) be proved wrong. You say I lack opinion, yet in terms of football debate regarding Saints you will see I have made far more decisions on Southampton as to my opinion of them in a huge number of areas than probably anyone else on this forum. Mock me if you want for it being "merely a computer game", but "my opinion" is laid out in Football Manager from FM07 to FM12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I rather liked MLG's assertion that the Lee Barnard song was "he sure is f*cking hard", as opposed to the actual "he's short.....etc". The speed at which he produced the stats of the squads relative heights, thus proving the song to be incorrect, was a wonder to behold. I was impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 In The Kraken's defence I agree that Saturday televised games aren't that good especially if going to a Saints game at 3pm. If our game is away the televised fixtures are easily missed due to travelling. If at home we are normally in a crowded pub and not paying full attention. Hell yes, I knew we were talking about something else before!! That's my point. I don't particularly enjoy attending home games on a Saturday at 12.45 or 5.15. Certainly not compared to 3pm. For Saturday 3pm games, if there's a game on at 12.45 or 5.15 then I'll more than likely be in a pub before/after the game, and not paying much attention. Hence why I say I think those K.O. times are not the best at all. And as you say, away games make them impossible viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 In his defence there Leeds is a much bigger city than Southampton, has more of a football history and better support, plus they were playing a fierce rival. Apart from that you are right. In The Kraken's defence I agree that Saturday televised games aren't that good especially if going to a Saints game at 3pm. If our game is away the televised fixtures are easily missed due to travelling. If at home we are normally in a crowded pub and not paying full attention. No they weren't. They sold 37,000 tickets for a game against Tottenham. We sold 28,000 for a game against Man U in the same season in the same competiton. He was trying to justify why we didn't sell out against Man U last time we played them when it wasnt a problem for Leeds when they were playing premier league opposition in the same competition, in the same season with Ith games live on telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 I rather liked MLG's assertion that the Lee Barnard song was "he sure is f*cking hard", as opposed to the actual "he's short.....etc". The speed at which he produced the stats of the squads relative heights, thus proving the song to be incorrect, was a wonder to behold. I was impressed. Ha ha, I kind of wish that were true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Hell yes, I knew we were talking about something else before!! That's my point. I don't particularly enjoy attending home games on a Saturday at 12.45 or 5.15. Certainly not compared to 3pm. For Saturday 3pm games, if there's a game on at 12.45 or 5.15 then I'll more than likely be in a pub before/after the game, and not paying much attention. Hence why I say I think those K.O. times are not the best at all. And as you say, away games make them impossible viewing. Sadly the tv companies don't give much thought to those who attend games. All they want from us is the atmosphere we make, and they know enough of us will go to preserve this anyway. The 1245 and 1715 Saturday games are for the armchair fans to watch either side of Jeff Stelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 You have taken out of context. The standard MLG get out phrase. You say that in a dismissive way, yet if you have taken something out of context, it is perfectly reasonable for that person to retort telling you that you have done so. It is then up to you to either show you haven't taken it out of context, or to stop taking things they say out of context and using it against them months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 No they weren't. They sold 37,000 tickets for a game against Tottenham. We sold 28,000 for a game against Man U in the same season in the same competiton. He was trying to justify why we didn't sell out against Man U last time we played them when it wasnt a problem for Leeds when they were playing premier league opposition in the same competition, in the same season with Ith games live on telly. Oh ok I thought you were talking about their game against Man Utd when Beckford scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 You say that in a dismissive way, yet if you have taken something out of context, it is perfectly reasonable for that person to retort telling you that you have done so. It is then up to you to either show you haven't taken it out of context, or to stop taking things they say out of context and using it against them months later. You've taken what I said out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 No they weren't. They sold 37,000 tickets for a game against Tottenham. We sold 28,000 for a game against Man U in the same season in the same competiton. He was trying to justify why we didn't sell out against Man U last time we played them when it wasnt a problem for Leeds when they were playing premier league opposition in the same competition, in the same season with Ith games live on telly. If you are going to use that then explain this... Everton vs Chelsea had a lower attendance than Saints vs Man Utd and wasn't connected to another League One game. In any case, at no point have I claimed "Saints to be bigger than Leeds", and the above doesn't mean I think "Saints are bigger than Everton". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 You say I lack opinion, yet in terms of football debate regarding Saints you will see I have made far more decisions on Southampton as to my opinion of them in a huge number of areas than probably anyone else on this forum. Mock me if you want for it being "merely a computer game", but "my opinion" is laid out in Football Manager from FM07 to FM12. You see, I'm sure you see it this way. But you just don't IMO; I've very very rarely seen you offer an definitive opinion about any issue without trying to cover your backside with an if, but, maybe or other such nonsense just in case you get pulled up on it at a later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 (edited) You've taken what I said out of context. You are giving the impression you don't know what the phrase "taking something out of context means". Edited 14 June, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 In any case, at no point have I claimed "Saints to be bigger than Leeds", and the above doesn't mean I think "Saints are bigger than Everton". Are Saints bigger than Leeds? Are Saints bigger than Everton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 You are giving the impressive you don't know what the phrase "taking something out of context means". Say what now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Are Saints bigger than Leeds? Are Saints bigger than Everton? Unless you define what factors constitute "bigger", it is impossible to answer. Even if you do define it, it will still only be your concept of "bigger" and it may still be impossible to answer as we may not be aware of some significant information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Unless you define what factors constitute "bigger", it is impossible to answer. Even if you do define it, it will still only be your concept of "bigger" and it may still be impossible to answer as we may not be aware of some significant information. And you wonder why I say you don't answer questions? Dear Lord. You really won't answer anything that isn't 100% irrefutable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 .....and as the thread enters the realms of philosophical debate...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 And you wonder why I say you don't answer questions? Dear Lord. You really won't answer anything that isn't 100% irrefutable. Unless someone defines the key word in a question, how can you possibly answer the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Unless someone defines the key word in a question, how can you possibly answer the question? OK. On what factors would you consider us to be a bigger club than Everton or Leeds. By your own benchmarks, if you like. And on what factors would you consider us to be smaller than Everton or Leeds. Again, by your own benchmarks. And on all of those criteria, by your stipulated benchmarks, are we bigger or smaller than Leeds and Everton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 With this amount of money being paid to the Premiership they should be paying us to go and watch the games not the other way round. The only people to benefit will be the over payed players, they will be the only winners. As for Sky do football better, what do we mean by this, better pundits, commentators, if that is the case let the Beeb or ITV do it, and pouch the commentators from SKY, surely this costs a lot less than what S ky is pumping in. Players we are told get paid what they do as their careers can be short, but surely they can go and work in other jobs, just like the rest of us if made redundant from our current jobs. They may think they are Gods or idols, but f**k it, they are no different than us, just the fact that they are payed silly money, but for what, kicking an inflated bit of leather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 Unless someone defines the key word in a question, how can you possibly answer the question? How about you define it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 OK. On what factors would you consider us to be a bigger club than Everton or Leeds. By your own benchmarks, if you like. And on what factors would you consider us to be smaller than Everton or Leeds. Again, by your own benchmarks. And on all of those criteria, by your stipulated benchmarks, are we bigger or smaller than Leeds and Everton? How about you define it. I'd say it is hard to determine due to the caveat I put in the second sentence of post #93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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