Saint in Paradise Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Tehran is in the “initial phase” of designing nuclear-powered submarines, says a senior Iranian Navy commander. *"Initial steps to design and build nuclear submarine propulsion systems have begun," Admiral Abbas Zamini, the technical deputy Navy Chief, told semi-official Fars news agency on Tuesday. A nuclear-powered submarine would allow “very long-distance operations." "All countries have the right to use peaceful nuclear technology, including for the propulsion system of its vessels," added the admiral. http://www.rt.com/news/iran-build-nuclear-submarine-638/ Talking of giving away secret info how about this as well? Top-secret embarrassment: Stealth ship laptop missing in Taiwan A top-secret computer from a state-of-art stealth warship has vanished, the Taiwanese military revealed on Monday. There are fears the laptop and its classified content is now in the hands of the Chinese. *The computer was installed on board a Kuang Hua No. 6 class guided missile vessel. It belonged to a private contractor and was used for testing confidential communication equipment and procedures. Last month it disappeared, while the missile ship was stationed at the southern port of Tsoying, Taiwan's largest naval base. An internal investigation failed to determine how it happened. http://www.rt.com/news/taiwan-secret-computer-missing-573/ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 I am intensely uncomfortable with the militarisation being undertaken by Iran and China. I dont know what can be done about China, but Iran needs taking down a peg or two. Picture this - every Chinese foreign stoodent studying at Cambridge, Oxford, CalTech, Princeton, Harvard and MIT is probably a Chinese government agent of some form or other. We are handing the planet to them on a silver platter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Iran has a right to defend itself like any other country. Maybe if the US and allies didn't wage war on it's neighbours Iran wouldn't feel the need to spend money on nukes or subs. Good on em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Iran has a right to defend itself like any other country. Maybe if the US and allies didn't wage war on it's neighbours Iran wouldn't feel the need to spend money on nukes or subs. Good on em. Defend themselves against whom ? Who is threatening them ? Seems to me they want to be the big bully in the region, threaten Israel, fund and equip terrrorism in less stable neighbours, etc. Pathetic anti-American b*ll*cks from you as per usual. Really, only f**king morons think a heavily-armed nuclear Iran is a good idea......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Not again.....the usual protagonists on here wanting a double standard...one rule for us and another for some one else. Israel has nuclear weopons provided by the US I wonder how many of the stories on Syria or Iran etc are true and how many are planted. Are the US and the UK behind the Syrian opposition groups. Are they already on the ground in Iran? What is happening in Bahrain or Zimbabwe? That is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Not again.....the usual protagonists on here wanting a double standard...one rule for us and another for some one else. Israel has nuclear weopons provided by the US I wonder how many of the stories on Syria or Iran etc are true and how many are planted. Are the US and the UK behind the Syrian opposition groups. Are they already on the ground in Iran? What is happening in Bahrain or Zimbabwe? That is all How many times have Israel used those nukes ? There is an Iranian woman in my book club. She reckons Iran will use them within 5 years if they get them. I couldnt give a sh*t if the UK and US are supporting the Syrian freedom fighters. There are children being tortured and murdered by government troops there, flying around in Russian helecopters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 And the US never kill anyone using helicopters or remote controlled planes....I am as appauled as you over Syria but I am equally appauled by what is going on in Pakistan and Afghanistan..... It's 1 terrorist death to every 15 civilian deaths allegedly killed by mistake. Despite the fact that doing this breaks international law. I can't think who it was who said that we all know what is illegal etc but illegality still happens. This woman in your library club...she has a view, of course, but is she really some one you can base your opinion on? I personally would like to see the US spend less on their military and more on paying down their national debt. You did not discuss Zimbabwe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 I thought Iran had a nuclear programme for energy.... Now for this.... Next weapons? Iran want to totally control the middle east. As simple as that I would not worry about this news, they struggle to keep their couple kilo class SSKs at sea. One at a time if they are lucky and in coastal waters at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 There is an Iranian woman in my book club. She reckons Iran will use them within 5 years if they get them. You can find oddballs anywhere. There is a Saints supporter on my football forum who regularly predicts doom for the club and rarely has a good word to say about the team, manager or anybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 You can find oddballs anywhere. There is a Saints supporter on my football forum who regularly predicts doom for the club and rarely has a good word to say about the team, manager or anybody else. That sir, is a masterful response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 I thought Iran had a nuclear programme for energy.... Now for this.... Next weapons? Iran want to totally control the middle east. As simple as that I would not worry about this news, they struggle to keep their couple kilo class SSKs at sea. One at a time if they are lucky and in coastal waters at best. And there was me thinking that that was what the US wanted too...well I never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 I thought Iran had a nuclear programme for energy.... Now for this.... Next weapons? Iran want to totally control the middle east. As simple as that Spot on. This sub news has already exposed the lie about "peaceful purposes" spun to the IAEA for the last few years. Seems a bit ridiculous to now expect the West to accept they dont want nukes purely on their word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 And there was me thinking that that was what the US wanted too...well I never. What have the US got to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 You can find oddballs anywhere. There is a Saints supporter on my football forum who regularly predicts doom for the club and rarely has a good word to say about the team, manager or anybody else. Thats a bit rich, considering you dont know her in the slightest. At least you base you judgement on my based on what you perceive to be empirical data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 What have the US got to do with this? Left wing rhetoric must involve the US somehow, because they are the root of all evil on the planet. Any slaughter or local civilian populations anywhere on the planet, it always is ultimately the US's fault. You should know that by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Must get on with some work...will respond later....in the meantime suggest look up the US 5th fleet positioned in the Iran area and ask whether as a country like Iran, they might want to respond in some way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 I wouldnt mind us ****ing around withn the internal affairs of other countries 'in the national interest' if we were any good at it and weren't so blatantly and obviously hypocritical. All we end up doing is breeding resentement extremism and anti western feeling - endangering our security, not ensuring it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Left wing rhetoric must involve the US somehow, because they are the root of all evil on the planet. Any slaughter or local civilian populations anywhere on the planet, it always is ultimately the US's fault. You should know that by now... Not really. Most Americans I've met have been nice, genuine people. That said, they have bugger all to do with foreign policy. It's important to differentiate between the actions of a Government and the characteristics of a people, especially since in most democracies, all we directly get to do is pick our representative. Fortunately, most people are able to make the distinction, and thank goodness for that. Don't think I'd have survived a minute in Northern Ireland if people held me accountable for the actions of my government. It is possible to be critical of a government's action without hating the country it represents. I should know. I've done it for years, both at home and abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Must get on with some work...will respond later....in the meantime suggest look up the US 5th fleet positioned in the Iran area and ask whether as a country like Iran, they might want to respond in some way.... I know where they are stationed. I have worked there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Can't see China doing anything stupid though. Globalised capitalism means you don't need to wage wars for world dominance anymore, but have milatary power does allow you threaten others and wage smaller wars to further your interests. I don't trust Iran though, but I don't know what we can do about it. The Middle East is as unstable as it comes at the moment. An attack on Iran could lead to WW3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Defend themselves against whom ? Who is threatening them ? Seems to me they want to be the big bully in the region, threaten Israel, fund and equip terrrorism in less stable neighbours, etc. Pathetic anti-American b*ll*cks from you as per usual. Really, only f**king morons think a heavily-armed nuclear Iran is a good idea......... I don't think any heavily armed country is a good idea but I respect their right to a defence. As for who is threatening them, that is obvious. The US and it's allies have invaded two countries next door to them - how can that not be perceived as threatening? You need to forget all the anti Iran nonsense and stop to think our our actions are perceived by other countries. Slaughtering thousands in another country for oil - how would you react to Iran doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Wanting to design a nuclear submarine and being able to are two very different things. It is often said, with very good reason, that nuclear submarines are the most complicated thing ever designed and built by man, only 5 countries have managed it to date. Whilst nuclear propulsion will give great range and endurance the science and engineering required to support the crew and all of the other auxiliary systems for sustained dived operations cannot just be bought of the shelf or developed over night. Add to this the the technology required to remain covert by reducing acoustic and other signatures to a minimum and I can not see Iran building an effective Nuclear submarine for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 13 June, 2012 Share Posted 13 June, 2012 Wanting to design a nuclear submarine and being able to are two very different things. It is often said, with very good reason, that nuclear submarines are the most complicated thing ever designed and built by man, only 5 countries have managed it to date. Whilst nuclear propulsion will give great range and endurance the science and engineering required to support the crew and all of the other auxiliary systems for sustained dived operations cannot just be bought of the shelf or developed over night. Add to this the the technology required to remain covert by reducing acoustic and other signatures to a minimum and I can not see Iran building an effective Nuclear submarine for a very long time. Spot on. Not sure how Iran would have any sub yard capable of such a thing for 20 years or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 There is an Iranian man who delivers my missus's Next catalougue, and he told me that as soon as they develop nuclear weapons they will let one off straight away. That's what he said anyway. When I explained that only responsible countries like the U.S should have them he went mental!! Started banging on about invading his neighbouring country illegally or something, but I said that can't be right. There was no talking to him in the end, so I ordered some 3/4 length chinos and sent him on his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 14 June, 2012 Share Posted 14 June, 2012 The fact is that Iran don't need nuclear warheads to defend camels and stuff. We need them because if we don't have them, Iran and others will probably invade using muslamic rayguns and rape stonehenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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