Colinjb Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Jordan Henderson is warming up. Oh good. Defoe on for Young I assume. Wellbeck has had a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 I would bung Walcott on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 I reckon we can turn the form book on it's head here. Had a tenner on 1-0 @ 7/1 and 2/1 @ 14/1 C'mon England. DONE your money.....Better luck next time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 To be fair, that was better than I and most probably expected. We look very, very hard to beat and you can see us frustrating many teams. The french had a funny set up though, for Benzema being the striker he spent more time outside of the box than inside and that's why you often had them hitting pot shots, so in that sense I think they made it easy for us to defend but we still did it pretty well. We did carry a threat, albeit a slim one. Milner didn't effect the game in any way and Chamberlain didn't get enough of the ball, but when he did have it he was easily our dynamic and exciting player. Welbeck work his arse off I thought, not much quality but worked hard. Parker was the best player for us though, awesome shift int he middle. He was the reason we were so hard to play through. We will cause Sweden and Ukrane problems, but I think every game will be pretty tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 ENGLAND were very average. Lucky to get the draw and nothing up front. Young and Wellbeck were useless, should play Jermaaaaine and Carroll from the start. Milner's miss was dreadful and ENGLAND's defence was solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Defended well throughout the team and limited France to shots from distance. Very encouraging really as I thought we'd struggle to get anything from that game. Fair play to Hodgson for making us hard to break down. First time I've watched an England game with my 2 sons. The 3 year old got cross when England scored because he wanted the blue team to win. The 6 year old was quite insightful by declaring the ref was an "idiot", but then he's seen Saints play quite a few times over the last couple of years so is used to hearing people shout that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Great result, for a team as limited as ours a draw against France is superb. Beat Sweden and scrape a draw against Ukraine and we're through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 I've just posted a death threat to that c*ck of a ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 (edited) great team performance...lets be honest, more than half of their team are better than ours.... OX done well Hart was very good Milner was turd referee was as inconsistent as you can get....awful....cabaye should have been booked oh, didn't the golden generation lose to france at this very stage in portugal in 2004? Edited 11 June, 2012 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 thought Johnson had a good game, as did the other defenders.. I also thought Hart had one or two dodgy moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 A hard fought point against a fairly good French team, but pretty grim to watch in all honesty and as for proper shots on target ? You could count them of the fingers of one hand. Compare todays England squad with its Euro 96 counterpart - Alan Shearer, Teddy Sheringham, Paul Gascoinge, Paul Ince, David Platt, Stuart Pearce, Tony Adams ..etc. Like for like I suppose Joe Hart might give Dave Seaman a run for his money and Steve Gerard easily gets the nod ahead of Gareth Southgate, but as for the rest .... A fan has to wonder if something is going seriously wrong with our national game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 A fan has to wonder if something is going seriously wrong with our national game. the constant hiring of foreign managers, who buy foreign players.. now, some foreign players are very good and good for our game.. but when Benitiez spends millions at liverpool on the likes off.... traore biscan kromkamp nunez josemi etc etc however, things are changing...seeing more young english stars being in demand...more british managers given good jobs... and at last, the FA coming to the senses and changing how the young lads are being brought up in the world of football. people on here slate the FA for taking Butland and not Kelvin davis as NO.3 keeper...please tell me, how on earth does it do the national game any good what so ever, taking Kelvin Davis to this competition...? im all for walcott, OxO go going AND Playing...maybe not henderson but you can see why they are taking him 2 years ago, the whole nation was full of "play the U21s" etc...so when we do, people come out with crap like..."why isn't kevin davis there" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 A fan has to wonder if something is going seriously wrong with our national game. All down to terrible youth coaching full of blokes shouting "get it up there" and "whack it forwards". Until we finally teach our youngsters to get the ball down on the floor with their head up and pass, move, pass, move, pass, move then nothing will change. At least the FA have finally woken up to the reasons why and will start the younger kids playing on smaller pitches in 9v9 games soon. It's 10 years too late though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 All down to terrible youth coaching full of blokes shouting "get it up there" and "whack it forwards".. countless times you here this at SMS...more so when we were in league 1. almost, if not, every single team came to SMS and played like England did....why, well, they would have had no chance if they went for it.. when saints were trying to pass and move, change the play in the middle of the park etc, trying to draw their players out.... blokes would shout (whilst frothing at the mouth) "get it fuking forward...quickly" the worst one is....(when their attacking players are running with the ball)...."fuking hit him" christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 (edited) A fan has to wonder if something is going seriously wrong with our national game. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city This is the squad that won the title, English players are definitely in the minority. More of these players are at the Euros for other countries than are representing England. Compare to Man Ure's 1996 double winning squad : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%9396_Manchester_United_F.C._season#Squad_statistics Edited 11 June, 2012 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 All down to terrible youth coaching full of blokes shouting "get it up there" and "whack it forwards". Until we finally teach our youngsters to get the ball down on the floor with their head up and pass, move, pass, move, pass, move then nothing will change. At least the FA have finally woken up to the reasons why and will start the younger kids playing on smaller pitches in 9v9 games soon. It's 10 years too late though. This is something that's still going on. I watch my brother who is part of a youth team and I went to a tournament at Totton a few weekends back, one of the guys in one of the teams had real skil - used the ball well and had really nice technique and skill to get out of situations, as a coach you'd think we'd want to encourage that. but no, I heard the coach say to him ''Stop farting about with the ball and all the fancy things, just get it up there''. If that's the mentality at that level then we haven't got a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 draw, i'll take that to get the campaign up and running. chill winston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city This is the squad that won the title, English players are definitely in the minority. More of these players are at the Euros for other countries than are representing England. Compare to Man Ure's 1996 double winning squad : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%9396_Manchester_United_F.C._season#Squad_statistics Agree that the Prem is detrimental to the national squad. I favour putting a limit on, saying that there must be at least 4 English players in the 11. I know most would want more, something akin to 7+, but EU law prevents this. And so what if the Prem isn't as "good"? It might make things more level, although the big teams would whinge about not being able to compete properly in the Champs League, but so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 A hard fought point against a fairly good French team, but pretty grim to watch in all honesty and as for proper shots on target ? You could count them of the fingers of one hand. Compare todays England squad with its Euro 96 counterpart - Alan Shearer, Teddy Sheringham, Paul Gascoinge, Paul Ince, David Platt, Stuart Pearce, Tony Adams ..etc. Like for like I suppose Joe Hart might give Dave Seaman a run for his money and Steve Gerard easily gets the nod ahead of Gareth Southgate, but as for the rest .... A fan has to wonder if something is going seriously wrong with our national game. This is a particularly bad group of players but England have always been sh!t. Being good at football is just not in our genes. We have easily more football clubs than any other country on the planet. A huge pool of players to choose from, the game in England has more money and the best training facilities on the planet yet without home advantage what have we achieved? - One World Cup semi-final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Not a bad result - referee was so bad he should be in the Championship. I thought AOC did OK but several England players looked very average. We defended very deep which is a bit dangerous. We should really have won - that was a gilt edged chance for Milner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 I get annoyed at the pundits, why dont they say it as it really is? There is no way England will win this, we contained today against the French and not much else. We have no threat up front and I also think Joe Hart looked a bit dodgy. I just think that most of our players are overated and only made to look good by being surrounded by good foreign players in the domestic league, Milner for me has got to be a prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 great team performance...lets be honest, more than half of their team are better than ours.... OX done well Hart was very good Milner was turd referee was as inconsistent as you can get....awful....cabaye should have been booked oh, didn't the golden generation lose to france at this very stage in portugal in 2004? I agree with most of this. Cant make my mind up if Hart was unlucky with their goal or misjudged it a bit. Anyway, we knew it was coming. England often concede at the end of the first half, and they were sitting so far back inivting them to come on and attack us. The referee was one of the most biased c**ts I have seen in recent times. Cabaye should have been booked about 3 times but seemed to get away with it by putting on a sincere face and apologising, and AO-Cs booking was a joke (did he even make contact?). That ref loved to stick his chest out and show who was the boss; and Italian version of Uriah Rennie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Old man shevchenko has still got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Why would they say there's no way we'll win it? There's a tiny tiny chance we will. Greece won it FFS. Why do so many people lose all perspective when it comes to England? They're a solid side. They aren't great, they aren't awful. And guess what? Every single season around the world, the best teams fail to win cup competitions. That's football. England winning this is about as likely as Chelsea winning the Champion's League. Probably won't happen, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock ever. Same way plenty of other countries could win it too. Bit of luck, bit of form and confidence. Maybe Croatia or Denmark will win it, who the **** knows. None of which we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 This is something that's still going on. I watch my brother who is part of a youth team and I went to a tournament at Totton a few weekends back, one of the guys in one of the teams had real skil - used the ball well and had really nice technique and skill to get out of situations, as a coach you'd think we'd want to encourage that. but no, I heard the coach say to him ''Stop farting about with the ball and all the fancy things, just get it up there''. If that's the mentality at that level then we haven't got a chance. Sadly all too true. I've done a bit of coaching with 7-11 year olds. We had one kid who was a brilliant finisher but he told us his manager played him at centre back for his club because he could kick the ball the furthest. Quite often the players with the best control and short passing ability at that age were girls. What delldays says is also true. Or maybe it just sounds like that at games because they shout the loudest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Not a bad result - referee was so bad he should be in the Championship. I thought AOC did OK but several England players looked very average. We defended very deep which is a bit dangerous. We should really have won - [/b]that was a gilt edged chance for Milner. I've said it before and I'll say it again. No way is Milner an international footballer. His two contributions were to miss that chance and the shocking back pass which could easily have cost us a goal. Overall not a bad display and a draw was a decent result. Good to hear Hodgson and Hart after talking sense, being honest and actually sound like they were proud to represent their country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Already that was better than any of the 4 games in 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Already that was better than any of the 4 games in 2010 Would have to say that the first round of games are better than anything in the world cup. This has been a terrific tournament so far, really enjoying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Joleon Lescott scored a cracker for England tonight. His parents Will Smith and Lieutenant Worf are said to be overjoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 I've just posted a death threat to that c*ck of a ref. Not worth a death threat, but the ref was indeed dreadful. We were poor though. A draw was flattering, feeble in possession and very little attacking threat. We looked shaky even trying to keep possession in defence. What Milner was doing on the pitch is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 Already that was better than any of the 4 games in 2010 Agree. Funnily enough, was discussing our performance at 2010 last week - no-one could still quite believe just how bad we were. Thinking about it now still makes me shudder. Utter, utter disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 PRE MATCH INJURY! Ray Clemence has snapped his achilles tendon in the warm up. Did mine when I was 16, most painful experiance I've ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 It wasn't a great England performance by any stretch of the imagination but we didn't lose. France were the better team by a nose but a draw probably was a fair result due to some fairly good defending from England. We still look short of ideas from open play up front. We can't rely on set pieces to score all the time. Despite what the pundits are saying about having a good chance against Sweden and the Ukraine, I don't see it. After todays performances from our group I think it will be tough for England. There were glimpses of slight improvement but not sure England will offer much of a threat to this tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 All down to terrible youth coaching full of blokes shouting "get it up there" and "whack it forwards". Until we finally teach our youngsters to get the ball down on the floor with their head up and pass, move, pass, move, pass, move then nothing will change. At least the FA have finally woken up to the reasons why and will start the younger kids playing on smaller pitches in 9v9 games soon. It's 10 years too late though. Couldn't agree more. About 15 years ago coached young kids here in England and in Germany, even then the difference was frightening. Absolutely hate the saying "put your boot through it" - rife while I was coaching kids over here, and I bet you now that I could walk around the parks on a Sat / Sun as the kids are playing and hear it time and time again, still. In Germany, worked with kids who were taught to make their first touch their last touch where possible - they were not encouraged to turn or run, simply control, set, pass and move. It instils the basics, they play the way they are facing, they know that they have to support the ball and they know that they should have good options when they recieve the ball. I don't think this is second nature in England - we do tend to try the "over the top" route (hoof it) more than our continental neighbors. All very well if you have caught them on the hop, and have the likes of Theo to run in behind them - but very one dimensional and how often are you going to catch good side getting caught that high. Thought the young lads did ok tonight - but it was more about effort, workrate and endeavour that got us the draw tonight. (Don't think Scott Parker can keep putting in that level of physical effort) What we lacked was the comfort in possession when we had the ball, the options to offload, the killer ball and the end result. As you say - our coaching methods are probably some 10 years adrift yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekelund24 Posted 11 June, 2012 Share Posted 11 June, 2012 I agree with most of this. Cant make my mind up if Hart was unlucky with their goal or misjudged it a bit. He got a touch to it but saw it late, probably didn't help there were 6 England players in a line infront of him and Nasri placed it perfectly. Apart from that we defended well which is what you expect from a Hodgson team, just lacking the ability to retain possesion anywhere on the pitch!!!!! On an ex-Saints note, thought Anders looked good in the Sweden team, legs are gone but the brain and the passing is still excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Is it true that the current generation of England Internationals are really still suffering from poor early age coaching ? We've been debating exactly this same subject for what seems like decades now, and surely many of our current generation should have benefited from being attached to a professional FA accredited club academy from quite a young age. I understand our highly successful academy for example first starts to monitor boys from the age of 6 upwards. Surely it's common knowledge now that youngsters should be encouraged to enjoy the game and develop their core ball skills, rather than focus relentlessly on competitiveness is it not ? For what its worth I think that (very substandard as we still are) we have gotten a tad better compared to the EURO 2000 team of Kevin Keegan's reign - when it seemed our best players were utterly incapable of passing the ball to a teammate at times! But Keegan inherited much of Terry Venables very decent Euro 96 squad, and reinforced it with real young talent such as David Beckham, Paul Scoles and Micheal Owen. So make of that what you will, but is it all down to the manager ? Perhaps the British game 'talks the talk' but in the final analysis still doesn't 'walk the walk' when it comes to skills. If what our game really wants is warriors, rather than players, then so be it. Looking at many of todays crop however I'm not so sure we're all that good at developing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1885 Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 I'm sorry to say, but Germany executes its youth development and it shows. They had an awful squad with the "old generations" from 1998 to 2006, but they've good a pretty young, offensive squad that plays really good football now. But I think it probably is a problem as well that in most "big" Premier League clubs the most important players are foreigners. Look at Bayern Munich or Dortmund with Hummels, Goetze, Ozil (before his move), Mueller, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Badstuber and so on - most of the German squad are the important players in their clubs as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Couldn't agree more. About 15 years ago coached young kids here in England and in Germany, even then the difference was frightening. Absolutely hate the saying "put your boot through it" - rife while I was coaching kids over here, and I bet you now that I could walk around the parks on a Sat / Sun as the kids are playing and hear it time and time again, still. In Germany, worked with kids who were taught to make their first touch their last touch where possible - they were not encouraged to turn or run, simply control, set, pass and move. It instils the basics, they play the way they are facing, they know that they have to support the ball and they know that they should have good options when they recieve the ball. I don't think this is second nature in England - we do tend to try the "over the top" route (hoof it) more than our continental neighbors. All very well if you have caught them on the hop, and have the likes of Theo to run in behind them - but very one dimensional and how often are you going to catch good side getting caught that high. Thought the young lads did ok tonight - but it was more about effort, workrate and endeavour that got us the draw tonight. (Don't think Scott Parker can keep putting in that level of physical effort) What we lacked was the comfort in possession when we had the ball, the options to offload, the killer ball and the end result. As you say - our coaching methods are probably some 10 years adrift yet. Dario Gradi who does know a thing or two about young players devolopment gave an interesting interview a couple of years ago. In it, he claimed that there is a cultral difference which we need to over come. He said if you give group of French, Dutch or German kids a ball each they will practise skills, do keepy uppys, and flicks ect.He then went onto to say if you give a group of English kids a ball each , the first thing they will do is run and smash it into the back of the empty net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Couldn't agree more. About 15 years ago coached young kids here in England and in Germany, even then the difference was frightening. Absolutely hate the saying "put your boot through it" - rife while I was coaching kids over here, and I bet you now that I could walk around the parks on a Sat / Sun as the kids are playing and hear it time and time again, still. In Germany, worked with kids who were taught to make their first touch their last touch where possible - they were not encouraged to turn or run, simply control, set, pass and move. It instils the basics, they play the way they are facing, they know that they have to support the ball and they know that they should have good options when they recieve the ball. I don't think this is second nature in England - we do tend to try the "over the top" route (hoof it) more than our continental neighbors. All very well if you have caught them on the hop, and have the likes of Theo to run in behind them - but very one dimensional and how often are you going to catch good side getting caught that high. Thought the young lads did ok tonight - but it was more about effort, workrate and endeavour that got us the draw tonight. (Don't think Scott Parker can keep putting in that level of physical effort) What we lacked was the comfort in possession when we had the ball, the options to offload, the killer ball and the end result. As you say - our coaching methods are probably some 10 years adrift yet. It's the same in Oz, mainly because most of the coaches are from the UK, I guess. But the most effective way of winning kids games is hoofing it - bodies in the box and a rolling maul for a goal. Unless you're up against a well drilled passing side, but I think kids' instincts are still to get the ball forward, or be a 'selfer', it's only when they're shown and can operate a passing style that they see the benefit. I think my nipper (who I rate, obviously) understands this, but can't rely on his teammates to be able to control, or even kick the ball, so he hoofs it - no point in passing round the back when they're going to lose 10 nil that way. Grrrrrr. (It's killing me he's in a s5it side!!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 All down to terrible youth coaching full of blokes shouting "get it up there" and "whack it forwards". Until we finally teach our youngsters to get the ball down on the floor with their head up and pass, move, pass, move, pass, move then nothing will change. At least the FA have finally woken up to the reasons why and will start the younger kids playing on smaller pitches in 9v9 games soon. It's 10 years too late though. I've just started coaching my nippers U6 side this season (no previous in coaching, but doing the Level 1 in the summer and hopefully the Level 2 later as the club will pay for that too). On every training ball we use, I've written "HEAD UP" in permanent pen. Before we do any execrises with the ball, I point that out to them and you can "remind" them during the exercise by asking them whats on the ball whenver you see them head down. Even after a season I can see the difference with them, so it's a trick well worth doing for those of you who also coach. I do a variation of "piggy in the middle" just throwing and catching a ball to introduce movement - get the one behind the "piggy" to point where he's going to move to, so the "passer" knows where to throw it too. Probably should be a different thread, but it would be interesting to know what anyone else does who coaches at that sort of age group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Same old England - absolutely no conception of the basic principal of pass and move. England players employ the principal of pass (that's my job done) and stand still. No bravery to commit men forward and press the opposition or create a bit of panic. Goal conceded was schoolboy defending - count the players we had behind the ball, there must have been seven of them strung out like a washing-line and not one of them pressed the French until it was too late. All they managed to do was block Hart's view of the shot. Can it really be so difficult to coach professional footballers to pass and move. Milner is not an international footballer and I'm staggered that he is continually selected yet never contributes much (how did he miss that chance?) Let's start with Defoe and Welbeck up front supported by two quick wingers and try to cause Sweden some problems - we are just too pedestrian and predictable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Not a pretty performance, but honestly it's the first time I've seen us that organised. Played like a team for once rather than a loose group of mercenaries trying to gain notoriety in the shop window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Same old England - absolutely no conception of the basic principal of pass and move. England players employ the principal of pass (that's my job done) and stand still. No bravery to commit men forward and press the opposition or create a bit of panic. Goal conceded was schoolboy defending - count the players we had behind the ball, there must have been seven of them strung out like a washing-line and not one of them pressed the French until it was too late. All they managed to do was block Hart's view of the shot. Can it really be so difficult to coach professional footballers to pass and move. Milner is not an international footballer and I'm staggered that he is continually selected yet never contributes much (how did he miss that chance?) Let's start with Defoe and Welbeck up front supported by two quick wingers and try to cause Sweden some problems - we are just too pedestrian and predictable well, the golden generation of better players lost to the very same team at the very same stage of the very same competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 I've just started coaching my nippers U6 side this season (no previous in coaching, but doing the Level 1 in the summer and hopefully the Level 2 later as the club will pay for that too). On every training ball we use, I've written "HEAD UP" in permanent pen. Before we do any execrises with the ball, I point that out to them and you can "remind" them during the exercise by asking them whats on the ball whenver you see them head down. Even after a season I can see the difference with them, so it's a trick well worth doing for those of you who also coach. I do a variation of "piggy in the middle" just throwing and catching a ball to introduce movement - get the one behind the "piggy" to point where he's going to move to, so the "passer" knows where to throw it too. Probably should be a different thread, but it would be interesting to know what anyone else does who coaches at that sort of age group. I had an u8s team a year ago but had to pull out cos of other commitments. There is a good forum for grassroots coaches http://www.soccercoachingforums.com/ where you can interact with likeminded types. You can also sign-up for a weekly free email that is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 I do a variation of "piggy in the middle" just throwing and catching a ball to introduce movement - get the one behind the "piggy" to point where he's going to move to, so the "passer" knows where to throw it too. We do a similar thing with rugby coaching, except we have 2 teams, at each end is a player acting as a 'net', within a 1m x 1m square, if he catches the ball the team is awarded a point, but to encourage running into space, you need to execute 5 passes before shooting & you can't shoot from more than 5m from the goal. The kids respond very well to it & it encourages an understanding of space, movement & teamwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 Nevermind the players what about the fans performance, all crusader suits and god save the queen; ****in dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svetigpung Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 who needs Heskey , when we have James ******* Milner... What is he doing in an england shirt? Easy answer , nothing! Put someone on with a bit of flair and ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 the thing i liked is that the players & management actually appeared to want to be there. It's the first time in a while i've seen that in a team from manager downwards. It was also great to hear Joe Hart and Hodgson talking sense afterwards and not making excuses. I think England have the right man in Hodgson. He's good at getting the best out of limited rescources and there is not doubt we are miles behind the Spanish, Germans, French, Dutch player for player. It may not be spectaular but it'll be efficent and effective. And lets be honest, the players we have aren't good enough to be spectular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 who needs Heskey , when we have James ******* Milner... What is he doing in an england shirt? Easy answer , nothing! Put someone on with a bit of flair and ability. He did he missed a sitter and a spectacularly bad backpass almost cost us a goal. He made a telling contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2012 Share Posted 12 June, 2012 the thing i liked is that the players & management actually appeared to want to be there. It's the first time in a while i've seen that in a team from manager downwards. It was also great to hear Joe Hart and Hodgson talking sense afterwards and not making excuses. I think England have the right man in Hodgson. He's good at getting the best out of limited rescources and there is not doubt we are miles behind the Spanish, Germans, French, Dutch player for player. It may not be spectaular but it'll be efficent and effective. And lets be honest, the players we have aren't good enough to be spectular. yep and this morning I read online that arry would have taken Rio..... cheers for that arry......why don't you just worry about keeping your job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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