The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 No, I agree they're not big clubs in the same way but my point was wanting out of West Ham must be for a reason and that reason must either be a) cash, b) better international opportunities with higher profile club, c) higher level football (Champion's League, Europe). Tell me, what possible reason is there to join Southampton over staying with West Ham?? As others have said before me, but I've heard the same. He had a bit of a bust up with the club management and wants out. If true (and plenty seem to think it is) it makes the reasons you list a bit redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 He hates BFS. FACT. From a very good source. Is it because it hurts his foot to have to kick the ball so far, so often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Is it because it hurts his foot to have to kick the ball so far' date=' so often?[/quote'] this is true...he see's kelvin bowl the ball out 9 time from 10 and wants a bit of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Ah, he hates his boss. Hang on I'll give Mario Balotelli and the entire United first team a call. Back in ten... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Ah, he hates his boss. Hang on I'll give Mario Balotelli and the entire United first team a call. Back in ten... Good one. Don't like the answer so revert to sarcasm. Sorry it flies in the face of your otherwise stoneclad argument, but there we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 As others have said before me, but I've heard the same. He had a bit of a bust up with the club management and wants out. If true (and plenty seem to think it is) it makes the reasons you list a bit redundant. Not really does it. Unless you're suggesting Southampton would be the only Premiership club interested in signing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Not really does it. Unless you're suggesting Southampton would be the only Premiership club interested in signing him? What? Where have I suggested that? In fact, what are you going on about? I just said he wanted out of West Ham. I never said he'd definitely come to us. I certainly never said he'd only go to "a Liverpool or a Tottenham". I've no idea where you're going with this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Not really does it. Unless you're suggesting Southampton would be the only Premiership club interested in signing him? Not one person said we were. But he sure as hell won't be going to a "Liverpool or Spurs". Malaga are interested Apparantly and an offer champions league football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Good one. Don't like the answer so revert to sarcasm. Sorry it flies in the face of your otherwise stoneclad argument, but there we go. I thought perhaps it would get the message across... If Balotelli wanted out would he come here? No. Why? Because he would have options around the world. Think about this. Green wants out. He's an internationally rated keeper. Are you suggesting he is more likely to come here than say Fulham or Sunderland, or Marseilles, or any number of clubs who would be willing to meet his wage demands and would be a better fit for his career aspirations?? I would love it if we signed him. I would be amazed if we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 What? Where have I suggested that? In fact, what are you going on about? I just said he wanted out of West Ham. I never said he'd definitely come to us. I certainly never said he'd only go to "a Liverpool or a Tottenham". I've no idea where you're going with this now. Good then we both agree he won't be coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 The fact that so many on here turn their noses up at a keeper of the quality of Rob Green makes me really laugh. Who do they think we are to turn our noses up at a quality player like him? He is a proven premier league keeper and definitely better than Davis. Green would slot in as no 1 straight away. KD would be a very solid backup. Wages should be OK as he'd be a free signing. Not sure how they'd affect the dressing room though. The only question mark is why leave West Ham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Walter is not sure if SM, TCM or Dune agree with him. I'm sure they do Mr Mitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 I thought perhaps it would get the message across... If Balotelli wanted out would he come here? No. Why? Because he would have options around the world. Think about this. Green wants out. He's an internationally rated keeper. Are you suggesting he is more likely to come here than say Fulham or Sunderland, or Marseilles, or any number of clubs who would be willing to meet his wage demands and would be a better fit for his career aspirations?? I would love it if we signed him. I would be amazed if we did. I'm beginning to wonder if you've actually read anything I've written. Or indeed anything you have. I didn't say Rob Green would come here over other clubs. I didn't say he'd only go to "a Liverpool or a Tottenham". You did. I didn't say Southampton are bigger than Fulham or Sunderland. I didn't actually say anything about our prospects of signing Rob Green, one way or the other. So what exactly are you trying to prove me wrong about? My only opinion was that he was better than our current keeper. I'm really struggling to wonder how you've tried to twist it to this new way of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Tell me, what possible reason is there to join Southampton over staying with West Ham?? The reason any player plays anywhere - sh!t loads of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 The reason any player plays anywhere - sh!t loads of cash. Nah, I bet you West Ham would offer him more than we would! They have genuine lunatics in charge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 I'm sure they do Mr Mitty. Walter cannot confirm this. Walter needs them to confirm their views. Walter finds your obsession with him very strange. Walter wonders if you have mental problems. Walter believes you to look like a geography teacher, Walter will now refer to you as geography Greenridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Walter cannot confirm this. "Puppy biscuit," said Walter Mitty. He stopped walking and the buildings of Waterbury rose up out of the misty courtroom and surrounded him again. A woman who was passing laughed. "He said 'Puppy biscuit,'" she said to her companion. "That man said 'Puppy biscuit' to himself." Walter Mitty hurried on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 I'm beginning to wonder if you've actually read anything I've written. Or indeed anything you have. I didn't say Rob Green would come here over other clubs. I didn't say he'd only go to "a Liverpool or a Tottenham". You did. I didn't say Southampton are bigger than Fulham or Sunderland. I didn't actually say anything about our prospects of signing Rob Green, one way or the other. So what exactly are you trying to prove me wrong about? My only opinion was that he was better than our current keeper. I'm really struggling to wonder how you've tried to twist it to this new way of thinking. You said that all my reasons for leaving West Ham were redundant if Green wants out of a West Ham because he dislikes his boss, in direct response to a statement I made about why he wouldn't come to Southampton. I pointed out that those reasons will still be very relevent to his choice of future team irrespective of why he wants to leave West Ham. Happy to clear that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 You said that all my reasons for leaving West Ham were redundant if Green wants out of a West Ham because he dislikes his boss, in direct response to a statement I made about why he wouldn't come to Southampton. I pointed out that those reasons will still be very relevent to his choice of future team irrespective of why he wants to leave West Ham. Happy to clear that up. I've read that four times and don't understand it. You were questioning why RG would want to leave WHU and its been pointed out that he just does. He does. The rest of your argument I don't think anyone can follow, not least you. But then elsewhere you are still making out we haven't even made an offer for J Rod, even though we obviously have. I think you need a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 You said that all my reasons for leaving West Ham were redundant if Green wants out of a West Ham because he dislikes his boss, in direct response to a statement I made about why he wouldn't come to Southampton. I pointed out that those reasons will still be very relevent to his choice of future team irrespective of why he wants to leave West Ham. Happy to clear that up. No, your statement was that he only wanted out of West Ham for 3 reasons: No, I agree they're not big clubs in the same way but my point was wanting out of West Ham must be for a reason and that reason must either be a) cash, b) better international opportunities with higher profile club, c) higher level football (Champion's League, Europe). I pointed out that (from what I and seemingly others have heard) that you were incorrect, he wanted out of West Ham for different reasons. As a consequence, your question of "why would he choose Southampton over West Ham"was redundant. Happy to clear that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 "Puppy biscuit," said Walter Mitty. He stopped walking and the buildings of Waterbury rose up out of the misty courtroom and surrounded him again. A woman who was passing laughed. "He said 'Puppy biscuit,'" she said to her companion. "That man said 'Puppy biscuit' to himself." Walter Mitty hurried on. Walter wonders what Geography Greenridge is talking about. Walter thinks Geography Greengridge is a peculiar individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 I've read that four times and don't understand it. You were questioning why RG would want to leave WHU and its been pointed out that he just does. He does. The rest of your argument I don't think anyone can follow, not least you. But then elsewhere you are still making out we haven't even made an offer for J Rod, even though we obviously have. I think you need a holiday! I don't care why he wants to leave West Ham. He won't come here if there are clubs who he considers better for his career in for him. And there surely will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 No, your statement was that he only wanted out of West Ham for 3 reasons: I pointed out that (from what I and seemingly others have heard) that you were incorrect, he wanted out of West Ham for different reasons. As a consequence, your question of "why would he choose Southampton over West Ham"was redundant. Happy to clear that up. Yes, agreed. So let's move on. Do you think he will come here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 I don't care why he wants to leave West Ham. He won't come here if there are clubs who he considers better for his career in for him. And there surely will be? Such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Such as? Spurs and Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Spurs and Liverpool. If either of them want him he'll go there. However neither of them will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 If either of them want him he'll go there. However neither of them will. Ok, I've made two calls. He will be lining up in stripes next season... Sadly they are horizontal and blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Yes, agreed. So let's move on. Do you think he will come here? I don't know. My guess is, falling out with the WHU management aside, he wouldn't just walk out of West Ham without an inclination that he'll get something as good or better elsewhere. And, 32 years old and in the England squad, his stock is fairly high. As stated before, I don't think there are any top 6 clubs that would come in for him as first choice keeper. Spurs maybe, but only if Friedel is deemed as too old. Top 10; maybe, maybe not, I certainly think Reina and Howard are better options. Bottom line, I have no idea what sort of wages Saints are offering, so I have no benchmark on whether we could get Green or not. The only things I do know are that I would very much like to sign him, and that if he does come he would rightly be a first choice keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 I don't know. My guess is, falling out with the WHU management aside, he wouldn't just walk out of West Ham without an inclination that he'll get something as good or better elsewhere. And, 32 years old and in the England squad, his stock is fairly high. As stated before, I don't think there are any top 6 clubs that would come in for him as first choice keeper. Spurs maybe, but only if Friedel is deemed as too old. Top 10; maybe, maybe not, I certainly think Reina and Howard are better options. Bottom line, I have no idea what sort of wages Saints are offering, so I have no benchmark on whether we could get Green or not. The only things I do know are that I would very much like to sign him, and that if he does come he would rightly be a first choice keeper. Then I have no idea what we were disputing as I agree with all of that (bar your view on Reina and Howard who I think are vastly overrated because of who they play for). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Then I have no idea what we were disputing as I agree with all of that (bar your view on Reina and Howard who I think are vastly overrated because of who they play for). F*ck me, really? You were the one that said he wouldn't leave West Ham; not for Saints. I showed you a reason why that was wrong, and that he just wanted out of West Ham. You then went down some other path of incorrect assumption and accusation. Jesus, lets leave it, you've confused me as well as yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Thought I read he turned down a hefty wedge at the hammers. Wouldn't come cheap in a weekly wage sense but no transfer fee would cover that. Bolton used to do that well back when they had okocha etc....no transfer fee but highish wages. Green would be a decent signing makes a few errors but tell me one keeper that doesn't. Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 The problem with that sort of argument is wage structure - we are clearly looking at players who will cost a substantial sum of money. They won't be happy if RG is on twice what they are - and that's not something Rickie should be expected to put up with either IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 The problem with that sort of argument is wage structure - we are clearly looking at players who will cost a substantial sum of money. They won't be happy if RG is on twice what they are - and that's not something Rickie should be expected to put up with either IMHO. What is our wage structure. How much are our players on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Signed for QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 F*ck me, really? You were the one that said he wouldn't leave West Ham; not for Saints. I showed you a reason why that was wrong, and that he just wanted out of West Ham. You then went down some other path of incorrect assumption and accusation. Jesus, lets leave it, you've confused me as well as yourself. Yes, I admit the wording of your answers responding to what I was saying threw me and I probably read between the lines. If he was unhappy at West Ham and Saints were the only available option, I would accept uhappiness would be a justification for the switch. (That said, I put little value in these rumours of people hating their boss. Unless it is beyond reconciliation, West Ham on paper represents a better career choice than us for reasons we all understand about the FA, history, club reputation, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 He has a good relationship with Sam...from a very reliable source.He hates BFS. FACT. From a very good source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Signed for QPR Nah, they want him big time but I still think he'll go to Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 In any case, Ben Foster is the keeper I'd love Saints to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 In any case, Ben Foster is the keeper I'd love Saints to sign. Where is he now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Where is he now? Back at Brum, but they need to sell. He was on loan at WBA last year, and you'd imagine they're the favorites to keep him....but until he's signed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Back at Brum, but they need to sell. He was on loan at WBA last year, and you'd imagine they're the favorites to keep him....but until he's signed.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/9309702/Queens-Park-Rangers-and-West-Bromwich-Albion-head-the-queue-for-West-Ham-United-goalkeeper-Rob-Green.html WBA supposedly interested in Green. No idea about wages, but from purely a talent perspective I'd choose Ben Foster over Rob Green every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Back at Brum, but they need to sell. He was on loan at WBA last year, and you'd imagine they're the favorites to keep him....but until he's signed.... I would have thought WBA would be favourites, Woy got them to be a decent mid-lower table side (rather than perennial Championship dodgers). BUT, with Steve Clarke an unproven manager, that equalises things I would have thought. And I bet we'd pay more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 If Green were to sign for Spurs, I'd be delighted if we were able to sign Friedel from Spurs. Even at his age (over 40 I think), he's still a top keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 If Green were to sign for Spurs, I'd be delighted if we were able to sign Friedel from Spurs. Even at his age (over 40 I think), he's still a top keeper. Wouldn't see the point in that one TBH. How long has he got, another season possibly? And we're going to give Davis a shot next year, it makes much more sense to go for a younger GK who can learn off of Davis. That's why I find our Rob Green interest a little odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 June, 2012 Share Posted 9 June, 2012 (edited) Wouldn't see the point in that one TBH. How long has he got, another season possibly? And we're going to give Davis a shot next year, it makes much more sense to go for a younger GK who can learn off of Davis. That's why I find our Rob Green interest a little odd. The "younger keeper to learn off Davis" thing is garbage though. Not an important criteria by any means. If we can sign a better keeper than Kelvin, do it. If Kelvin doesn't play a minute of first team football next season, so be it. We're running a football club not a YTS scheme. Edited 9 June, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 June, 2012 Share Posted 9 June, 2012 (edited) Ask which award the players most want to win. Its the PFA award, because it comes from their peers. that may be true, when faced with the option of PFA or Writers awards, but although these guys can play the game, many of them are clueless idiots (perhaps that's why so many mistakes are made when it come to scouting etc). Highlights programmes on the TV often dictate the winners IMO. Besides if you heard some interviews on talksport with players around the time of the awards you'd know that many can't be arsed to vote, some actually vote tactically and the whole process is about as important to them as the price of bread. That said, from the highlights shows I saw, Green had a very good season and he's far better than Bart, so I'm happy we are going in the right direction if we have made any sort of enquiry/offer. Doubt we are willing to spend what he could get at QPR. But they can't sign Foster and Green. Edited 9 June, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 9 June, 2012 Share Posted 9 June, 2012 Well I can't think of any of the top 6 who would want him. Beneath that Villa have Given, Everton have Howard, Newcatle have Krul. I can't think of too many teams who are better options than Saints for him. Malaga could offer him bigger wages. So would QPR considering what they are paying Joey Barton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 June, 2012 Share Posted 9 June, 2012 The "younger keeper to learn off Davis" thing is garbage though. Not an important criteria by any means. If we can sign a better keeper than Kelvin, do it. If Kelvin doesn't play a minute of first team football next season, so be it. We're running a football club not a YTS scheme. Imagine kelvin throwing a few howlers in the first few games. And we look to 20 year old jack butland....!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 June, 2012 Share Posted 9 June, 2012 Imagine kelvin throwing a few howlers in the first few games. And we look to 20 year old jack butland....!!!! Wenger was happy to turn to Wojciech Szczęsny, who at the time had just 4 more league games under this belt than Butland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 9 June, 2012 Share Posted 9 June, 2012 Personally I cannot see a downside, other than possibly very high wages, to signing Green and have thought so since I heard by the middle of last season that he was unsettled. England goalkeeper on a free. What's not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 June, 2012 Share Posted 9 June, 2012 Wenger was happy to turn to Wojciech Szczęsny, who at the time had just 4 more league games under this belt than Butland. does that mean butland is as good as him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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