Saints ready to sign Robert Green

[Turkish]

Several years of Premier League experience, including being voted in the PFA Premier League team of the year.

Appearing for his country 12 times.

 

If Green isn't a step above what we already have then I can dread to think what the expectation level is amongst some of our fans.

 

Indeed, sometimes I'm not sure if this forum is deluded or idiotic. Davis is a competent keeper and a really good guy who I'm sure could do a good job in the premier league for a season or two. Green is a definite step up. A proven premier league and international goalkeeper and crucially a lot younger and just coming into his prime. How anyone can think this is anything other than an excellent signing is beyond me. Either we are setting our sights for new players far too high or have a massively inflated view of our current players ability.

[Thedelldays]

Schezney just made a howler (a reason by some not to have green)...does that now mean kelvin is better than him?

[Thedelldays]

Indeed, sometimes I'm not sure if this forum is deluded or idiotic. Davis is a competent keeper and a really good guy who I'm sure could do a good job in the premier league for a season or two. Green is a definite step up. A proven premier league and international goalkeeper and crucially a lot younger and just coming into his prime. How anyone can think this is anything other than an excellent signing is beyond me. Either we are setting our sights for new players far too high or have a massively inflated view of our current players ability.

its this unstoppable march to the champions league...this 5 year plan and the southampton way......it will end largely in disappointment as we will do well to stay up IMO....

[Matthew Le God]

Including being voted in the PFA Premier League team of the year.

 

Not saying I don't agree with you overall, but using the above as a factor doesn't make a lot of sense when if using the most recent PFA poll from last season, Davis had more votes than Green whilst both in the same division. Surely last season is the most relevant as to their current ability? So if you follow through your own logic of deeming PFA polls to be credible factors, Davis is better than Green.

[The Kraken]

Not saying I don't agree with you overall, but using the above as a factor doesn't make a lot of sense when if using the most recent PFA poll from last season, Davis had more votes than Green whilst both in the same division. Surely last season is the most relevant as to their current ability? So if you follow through your own logic of deeming PFA polls to be credible factors, Davis is better than Green.

 

Do you ever add anything to anything but contradiction? And yet you never seem to offer an opinion of your own.

 

I provided an example of Rob Green being recognised by his peers at the highest league level. It was in response to a question of "what does Rob Green offer than Kelvin Davis doesn't". Was what I provided factually incorrect?

[Thedelldays]

Not saying I don't agree with you overall, but using the above as a factor doesn't make a lot of sense when if using the most recent PFA poll from last season, Davis had more votes than Green whilst both in the same division. Surely last season is the most relevant as to their current ability? So if you follow through your own logic of deeming PFA polls to be credible factors, Davis is better than Green.

peter whittingham got more votes than schneiderlin....would not swap those around myself

[Greenridge]

I provided an example of Rob Green being recognised by his peers at the highest league level. It was in response to a question of "what does Rob Green offer than Kelvin Davis doesn't". Was what I provided factually incorrect?

 

In this past year however Davis was voted by the PFA as top 'keeper in The Championship, so recent form would suggest, on that basis, that Davis is the better of the two?

[Thedelldays]

peter whittingham got more votes than lallana too......should we consider a swap there?

[Matthew Le God]

Do you ever add anything to anything but contradiction? And yet you never seem to offer an opinion of your own.

 

I provided an example of Rob Green being recognised by his peers at the highest league level. It was in response to a question of "what does Rob Green offer than Kelvin Davis doesn't". Was what I provided factually incorrect?

 

You have overlooked the question in my last post.

 

"Surely last season is the most relevant as to their current ability?"

 

Does Green's current ability offer being voted the PFA Premier League keeper of 2011/12? No. He was in the Championship along with Davis in 2011/12 and Davis beat him to an award both could have won. I'm not saying such an award is the be all and end all of deciding which is better, far from it. But as I also said...

 

"If you follow through your own logic of deeming PFA polls to be credible factors, Davis is better than Green" based on the most up to date information in this area.

 

As for your comment of "you never seem to offer an opinion of your own", whose opinion do you think I am expressing? Or even when we have our never ending attendance debates, whose opinion do you think I'm expressing then? I know you don't agree with them, but I can confidently say they are my own.

[The Kraken]

In this past year however Davis was voted by the PFA as top 'keeper in The Championship, so recent form would suggest, on that basis, that Davis is the better of the two?

 

For one year, KD attracted more votes for keeper of the year than RG. Do you know how many by? I don't. If it was a fairly close vote, then you could almost say they had about an even season, perhaps slightly skewed towards Kelvin. But we don't know that.

 

In any case; KD's previous history at top level is thoroughly dismal. Relegation with Sunderland for the 1 year he was there, and according to club and fans he had a shocker. That's all the experience he has at this level. Rob Green has a few more seasons in the top league, and has done enough to play for his national team for a number of years. He is also some 4 years or so younger.

 

Are you saying, if we had neither keeper on our books and could only sign one, that you would sign Davis over Green?

[Thedelldays]

peter whittingham got more votes than schneiderlin....would not swap those around myself

 

peter whittingham got more votes than lallana too......should we consider a swap there?

 

anyone????

[Matthew Le God]

peter whittingham got more votes than schneiderlin....would not swap those around myself

 

peter whittingham got more votes than lallana too......should we consider a swap there?

 

anyone????

 

You are taking my comments out of context. Show me where I said that such polls should be used as the only source to determine which is the better player? I was commenting that if you determine such polls to be a credible factor then the most recent one has a larger weighting than an older one. I did not say I gave such polls a huge degree of credit in determining which is the best player. I think they give an insight, but shouldn't be used in isolation.

Edited 8 June, 2012 by Matthew Le God

[The Kraken]

You have overlooked the question in my last post.

 

"Surely last season is the most relevant as to their current ability?"

 

Does Green's current ability offer being voted the PFA Premier League keeper of 2011/12? No. He was in the Championship along with Davis in 2011/12 and Davis beat him to an award both could have won. I'm not saying such an award is the be all and end all of deciding which is better, far from it. But as I also said...

 

"If you follow through your own logic of deeming PFA polls to be credible factors, Davis is better than Green" based on the most up to date information in this area.

 

As for your comment of "you never seem to offer an opinion of your own", whose opinion do you think I am expressing? Or even when we have our never ending attendance debates, whose opinion do you think I'm expressing then? I know you don't agree with them, but I can confidently say they are my own.

 

Yet again you miss the point in a continuous effort to appear contrary.

 

Question: What has Rob Green got that Kelvin Davis hasn't?

Me: Several England caps and several years of Premier Leagu experience including being voted in the PFA PL team of the year.

You: No, no, no, that doesn't make any sense! KD won the Championship PFA team of the year last year.

 

Your argument has some merit. Just not to the particular question asked. Which was, I repeat, "what does Rob Green have that Kelvin Davis doesn't".

 

Give an opinion for once, I just asked this of Greenridge. If we had neither Rob green nor Kelvin Davis on our books and could only sign one, who would you sign? Can you answer that one?

[Saint Charlie]

This rumour was in the Daily Star. Green is probably one of a number of keepers we are looking at.

[Greenridge]

For one year, KD attracted more votes for keeper of the year than RG. Do you know how many by? I don't. If it was a fairly close vote, then you could almost say they had about an even season, perhaps slightly skewed towards Kelvin. But we don't know that.

 

In any case; KD's previous history at top level is thoroughly dismal. Relegation with Sunderland for the 1 year he was there, and according to club and fans he had a shocker. That's all the experience he has at this level. Rob Green has a few more seasons in the top league, and has done enough to play for his national team for a number of years. He is also some 4 years or so younger.

 

Are you saying, if we had neither keeper on our books and could only sign one, that you would sign Davis over Green?

 

I don't disagree with any of the above points. More so I was addressing your 'factually correct' example of Greens performance in a prior season that could be countered by a more recent example of form in this current footballing year with both players on a level playing field. Both decent 'keepers, both of which prone to a few bloopers. Assuming 4 England managers can't be wrong (?) then if it is one it's Green.

[The Kraken]

I don't disagree with any of the above points. More so I was addressing your 'factually correct' example of Greens performance in a prior season that could be countered by a more recent example of form in this current footballing year with both players on a level playing field. Both decent 'keepers, both of which prone to a few bloopers. Assuming 4 England managers can't be wrong (?) then if it is one it's Green.

 

Please don't go all MLG. Mine was a response to a direct question of "what does Green have that Davis doesn't". As an answer to that, its irrefutably correct. It wasn't intended as a complete overview of both players' careers or abilities; just a very quick reference point as to why its more likely I'd choose Green ahead of Davis right now.

[Matthew Le God]

If we had neither Rob green nor Kelvin Davis on our books and could only sign one, who would you sign? Can you answer that one?

 

I would go for Green, as would Nigel Adkins (and so would a number of current/former England managers) if this rumour of Saints interest is correct. If it is true, Green would be joining on a large wage and would be the number 1, pointless him leaving West Ham otherwise.

[Matthew Le God]

Just take a look at FM for how I rate Davis in comparison to Green.

[The9]

Just take a look at FM for how I rate Davis in comparison to Green.

 

Heh.

[Turkish]

Just take a look at FM for how I rate Davis in comparison to Green.

 

No thanks.

[Matthew Le God]

Wasn't talking to you.

[Turkish]

I would go for Green, as would Nigel Adkins (and so would a number of current/former England managers) if this rumour of Saints interest is correct. If it is true, Green would be joining on a large wage and would be the number 1, pointless him leaving West Ham otherwise.

 

So what are you arguing about then you moron?

[Chez]

You are taking my comments out of context. Show me where I said that such polls should be used as the only source to determine which is the better player? I was commenting that if you determine such polls to be a credible factor then the most recent one has a larger weighting than an older one. I did not say I gave such polls a huge degree of credit in determining which is the best player. I think they give an insight, but shouldn't be used in isolation.

 

the PFA teams shouldn't be given much credence at all. For example a full back with a few flashy goals on TV tends to get many more votes than a fullback that is solid but unspectacular all season. That's why Whittingham made the team of the year and players like Morgan and Leigertwood were overlooked. Davis had that amazing game at Leeds which signed sealed and delivered his PFA spot if you ask me.

[Turkish]

I don't disagree with any of the above points. More so I was addressing your 'factually correct' example of Greens performance in a prior season that could be countered by a more recent example of form in this current footballing year with both players on a level playing field. Both decent 'keepers, both of which prone to a few bloopers. Assuming 4 England managers can't be wrong (?) then if it is one it's Green.

 

Walter believes that form is temporary and class is permenant. Walter believes that a confident player in a good side can perform above his natural ability levels. Walter thinks that the FACT that every England manager since 2005 had picked Green and none have picked Davis is proof which keeper is superior. Walter likes Davis thing and thinks that green will be a top signing it is great to have two good, experienced goalkeepers in our squad. Walter is not sure if SM, TCM or Dune agree with him.

[Tractor_Saint]

Green can give us 10 years more than Kelvin can. They might be similar in skill but let's keep Kelvin as a coach to Green - it's not like we're skint

[The Kraken]

So what are you arguing about then you moron?

 

I think he was just again being an argumentative nerd, just for the sake of it. Once again by blundering into a conversation without actually fully understanding what it was about.

[Turkish]

You are taking my comments out of context. Show me where I said that such polls should be used as the only source to determine which is the better player? I was commenting that if you determine such polls to be a credible factor then the most recent one has a larger weighting than an older one. I did not say I gave such polls a huge degree of credit in determining which is the best player. I think they give an insight, but shouldn't be used in isolation.

 

Have a day off will you you boring lemon. We all agree Green is a good signing and better than Davis, why are you bleeding the life out of an arguement you actually agree with?

[Thedelldays]

Have a day off will you you boring lemon. We all agree Green is a good signing and better than Davis, why are you bleeding the life out of an arguement you actually agree with?

considering green would not command a transfer fee too

[The Kraken]

the PFA teams shouldn't be given much credence at all. For example a full back with a few flashy goals on TV tends to get many more votes than a fullback that is solid but unspectacular all season. That's why Whittingham made the team of the year and players like Morgan and Leigertwood were overlooked. Davis had that amazing game at Leeds which signed sealed and delivered his PFA spot if you ask me.

 

Ask which award the players most want to win. Its the PFA award, because it comes from their peers. It may not be hugely scientific but it comes from a source who actually play games against the people they are voting for, and therefore it has an entirely unique aspect to it.

[Legod Third Coming]

What do we have that West Ham don't?

I'm afraid Mr Green is more likely to end up at a Liverpool or Spurs.

[corsacar saint]

According to the press reports [ if they are to be believed ] Green is after £45,000 a week,are we going to [ probably ] make a goalkeeper our highest paid player. That really does not sound plausible to me.

[Turkish]

What do we have that West Ham don't?

I'm afraid Mr Green is more likely to end up at a Liverpool or Spurs.

 

He won't. He is not better than Fridel and Reina.

 

As for West Ham apparently him and BFS hate each other, hence why he wanted out before he even knew what division they were in next season.

[The Kraken]

According to the press reports [ if they are to be believed ] Green is after £45,000 a week,are we going to [ probably ] make a goalkeeper our highest paid player. That really does not sound plausible to me.

 

Why not? What is our budget on weekly wages for players, now we are in the Premier League and (supposedly) with intentions of qualifying for Europe?

[Legod Third Coming]

He won't. He is not better than Fridel and Reina.

 

Hence my use of at 'a' Liverpool or Spurs - ie a team much bigger than us.

[Turkish]

According to the press reports [ if they are to be believed ] Green is after £45,000 a week,are we going to [ probably ] make a goalkeeper our highest paid player. That really does not sound plausible to me.

 

The average premier league player is on £33k a week. £45k a week is not unreasonable for a decent, international goal keeper. Come on, we're aiming for the champions league, £45k is nothing!!!

[Legod Third Coming]

The average premier league player is on £33k a week. £45k a week is not unreasonable for a decent, international goal keeper. Come on, we're aiming for the champions league, £45k is nothing!!!

 

I don't want to get into a debate on mean, median and modal averages but bear in mind the amount is massively skewed by a handful of footballers on £200k per week at Citeh and Chelsea.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by rshephard3

 

Saints fans in arrogant we deserve the best players in the world shocker. Is anyone able to come up with a better keeper than Green who would move to SFC?

 

hard to say who would join us and that includes Green, but how about Craig Gordon or Jussi Jääskeläinen, both out of contract.

 

I would suppose you could throw Robinson into that group, so there's enough out there that it does not seem that great a concern at present. Only Saints fans would rate Kelvin above these and I would find it very difficult to believe Kelvin would be selected on merit against any of these. The one area Kelvin has to address is control of the 6 yard box, that's what gives the others the edge for me. I will concede that Kelvin looked the best for a while in the last handful of games but I have seen too much previously to even start to forget. Green suffered a bit this year but a lot of that I would put down to his defence.

 

I can see a case for Green coming to Saints, but that looks like a lot of salary for someone who is not light years better. Personally I can see more possibility in signing the likes of Butland. A chance definitely but always with Kelvin to fall back on. And if Butland delivers the promises, we really have made a big stride forward. So why would we be linked to Green? Well with all those possibilities on the GK front, it makes a lot of sense that his agent gets his name out there and in the mix.

[The Kraken]

Hence my use of at 'a' Liverpool or Spurs - ie a team much bigger than us.

 

You'd have to ask who, though.

 

Liverpool: Reina

Spurs: Friedel

Villa: Given

Everton: Howard

Newcastle: Krul

 

I can't think of any of those clubs who would look to get rid of their keeper in favour of Rob Green. Who am I missing?

[Legod Third Coming]

Talk about keepers, poor old Peter Cech behind this defence. Feck me...

[Turkish]

Hence my use of at 'a' Liverpool or Spurs - ie a team much bigger than us.

 

Well I can't think of any of the top 6 who would want him. Beneath that Villa have Given, Everton have Howard, Newcatle have Krul. I can't think of too many teams who are better options than Saints for him.

[Turkish]

I don't want to get into a debate on mean, median and modal averages but bear in mind the amount is massively skewed by a handful of footballers on £200k per week at Citeh and Chelsea.

 

Is £45k a week unreasonable for a current England international who has been a squad regular for the last 6 years?

[krissyboy31]

This rumour was in the Daily Star. Green is probably one of a number of keepers we are looking at.

 

Peter White was tweeting about this last night and he believes Green is our No.1 target.

[Legod Third Coming]

You'd have to ask who, though.

 

Liverpool: Reina

Spurs: Friedel

Villa: Given

Everton: Howard

Newcastle: Krul

 

I can't think of any of those clubs who would look to get rid of their keeper in favour of Rob Green. Who am I missing?

 

He's better than Howard (imo), probably at least as good as Reina - I'm a big fan of Friedel but he ain't getting any younger.

United? Definitely better than De Gea. Arsenal? Should buy him but won't (Wenger is a stubborn fool in this regard), Fulham or Sunderland would both be seen as a safer bet than a newly promoted club.

All I'm saying is he won't come here over West Ham, unless I am missing something??

[Legod Third Coming]

Is £45k a week unreasonable for a current England international who has been a squad regular for the last 6 years?

 

No. Far from it.

[Saint Charlie]

Peter White was tweeting about this last night and he believes Green is our No.1 target.

 

He is the one who wrote the Star article.

[The Kraken]

He's better than Howard (imo), probably at least as good as Reina - I'm a big fan of Friedel but he ain't getting any younger.

United? Definitely better than De Gea. Arsenal? Should buy him but won't (Wenger is a stubborn fool in this regard), Fulham or Sunderland would both be seen as a safer bet than a newly promoted club.

All I'm saying is he won't come here over West Ham, unless I am missing something??

 

Well, most importantly you're definitely missing something: he wants out of West Ham, come what may. So that's not an option.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/9308831/Goalkeeper-Robert-Green-leaving-West-Ham-this-summer.html

 

Your other opinions are subjective but I disagree with all of them, aside from Friedel and even then only on a basis of age. You yourself said he would go to a "Liverpool or Tottenham"; I don't quite classify Fulham or Sunderland in that bracket, do you really?

[Legod Third Coming]

Well, most importantly you're definitely missing something: he wants out of West Ham, come what may. So that's not an option.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/9308831/Goalkeeper-Robert-Green-leaving-West-Ham-this-summer.html

 

Your other opinions are subjective but I disagree with all of them, aside from Friedel and even then only on a basis of age. You yourself said he would go to a "Liverpool or Tottenham"; I don't quite classify Fulham or Sunderland in that bracket, do you really?

 

No, I agree they're not big clubs in the same way but my point was wanting out of West Ham must be for a reason and that reason must either be a) cash, b) better international opportunities with higher profile club, c) higher level football (Champion's League, Europe).

 

Tell me, what possible reason is there to join Southampton over staying with West Ham??

[Thedelldays]

No, I agree they're not big clubs in the same way but my point was wanting out of West Ham must be for a reason and that reason must either be a) cash, b) better international opportunities with higher profile club, c) higher level football (Champion's League, Europe).

 

Tell me, what possible reason is there to join Southampton over staying with West Ham??

maybe he can't stand fat sam?

maybe he hates living in london

[Turkish]

No, I agree they're not big clubs in the same way but my point was wanting out of West Ham must be for a reason and that reason must either be a) cash, b) better international opportunities with higher profile club, c) higher level football (Champion's League, Europe).

 

Tell me, what possible reason is there to join Southampton over staying with West Ham??

 

He hates BFS. FACT. From a very good source.

[krissyboy31]

No, I agree they're not big clubs in the same way but my point was wanting out of West Ham must be for a reason and that reason must either be a) cash, b) better international opportunities with higher profile club, c) higher level football (Champion's League, Europe).

 

Tell me, what possible reason is there to join Southampton over staying with West Ham??

Or He doesn't like his obnoxious toadlike manager?