Aaron Martin joins Palace on loan

[Thedelldays]

Maybe he requested a year on loan. A year of first team football for a half decent npc team will do wonders for him... More than playing 5 times next season

[Saint Charlie]

Seems a bit odd to me. This must mean we have 2 new CBs lined up, so unless one or both are loans with experience this would put Aaron No 5 in the pecking order when he comes back next season. Love to klnow how this fits with the idea of getting the youngsters in the first team. Disappointed really, it seemed quite clear to me that he would be close to being ready for the first team, or at least as first choice backup.

 

This is quite ridiculous. Martin played about 10 league games tops last season. He needs games at a good level to prove he is up to the Prem. He is not good enough at the moment to be a 3rd or 4th choice in the Prem, but he could be once he gets 40 games under his belt.

 

If we loan out Luke Shaw it doesn't mean we think he is rubbish, its because he needs professional games to show his quality.

 

When you go up a league you improve the squad. If you do this well then current first choices become second choices and current reserves become players that arent required right now. Someone like Barnard will probably move on loan, Hammond also possibly - its just what happens.

 

I am sure Martin will play for us again, he will have benefitted from the experience - remember, he probably has approx 20 pro games under his belt!

[saintscottofthenortham]

Cheers for posting that. Mr Allen was my PE teacher at Bitterne Park, top bloke, sounds like he helped push Aaron on to where he is now.

 

Same here! Cracking bloke.

[krissyboy31]

I think this is an excellent move for both Aaron and the club. I think we will be signing a CB permanently and possibly another on a season long loan, with a eye to AM taking on the mantel next season.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Surprising development - never thought it would be Martin who went out on loan. Agree with those suggesting we will be getting in 2 new CB's - there's no way Seaborne is good enough for Prem unfortunately. If it's true we're going for two new CB's, that's pretty incredible in itself to be honest - looks like we're going to be seeing more signings than we previously thought?!

[trousers]

Southampton FC ‏@officialsaints

Aaron Martin has today returned to Saints after it was mutually agreed to end the defender's loan spell at @Official_CPFC. #saintsfc

[Saint Charlie]

Southampton FC ‏@officialsaints

Aaron Martin has today returned to Saints after it was mutually agreed to end the defender's loan spell at @Official_CPFC. #saintsfc

 

Good move - now lets loan him out to L1 where he will actually get games...

[Thedelldays]

that went well

[Window Cleaner]

I do too. I think a year at of first team football at Palace will do him wonders and hopefully when he returns he will come back with a serious challenge for a first team place.

 

want to think on that again then ?

 

Bloke isn't good enough for the NPC even, that's why we didn't play him much.

[Matthew Le God]

Good move - now lets loan him out to L1 where he will actually get games...

 

What is the point in that? He is never going to be a Premier League player, he simply isn't good enough so we may as well sell him.

[Saint Charlie]

What is the point in that? He is never going to be a Premier League player, he simply isn't good enough so we may as well sell him.

 

True. Sell him to L1 with Butterfield, Chaplow, del Ridder and Barnard.

 

Main problem for Martin is he had played less than 20 games in his pro career. Needs to get games however and wherever if he is going to fulfil the potential he has in some form.

 

Should forge a decent career in the game though, certainly a solid L1 player I think.

[Window Cleaner]

True. Sell him to L1 with Butterfield, Chaplow, del Ridder and Barnard.

 

As Nigel pointed out in his interview the other day a lot of these lads are now on a fair old amount of money and their ability

probably doesn't match it. We're going to have to either take some massive compensation hits or have them hanging around doing fck all. Don't see most of them getting another game this season. Now if we'd drawn some minnows in the Cup it might be different.

Edited 4 January, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[DanW]

Chaplow and De Ridder have both gotten playing time in the Premier League, so while they may or may not be "good enough" they probably shouldn't be sold until NA deems them no longer useful.

 

As for Martin, we seem to be lacking in CB so at least there's a chance of some action if there's an injury or two. I don't know where he ranks in the pecking order (I'd guess after 3) Hooiveld, or after 4) Seaborne...) but that's practically better chance than he was getting at CPFC.

 

I also thought he played well during the winter spell last year when Fonte was hurt.

[Saint Charlie]

Chaplow and De Ridder have both gotten playing time in the Premier League, so while they may or may not be "good enough" they probably shouldn't be sold until NA deems them no longer useful.

 

As for Martin, we seem to be lacking in CB so at least there's a chance of some action if there's an injury or two. I don't know where he ranks in the pecking order (I'd guess after 3) Hooiveld, or after 4) Seaborne...) but that's practically better chance than he was getting at CPFC.

 

Chaplow has played about 7mins in the Prem in 5months and Del Ridder not much more. Both nowhere near good enough and will leave this window, certainly Chaplow will.

 

IMO Martin is below Seaborne. 5th choice now, 6th once we bring in another CB plsu actually Stephens might well be ahead of him.

[Dig Dig]

As Nigel pointed out in his interview the other day a lot of these lads are now on a fair old amount of money and their ability

probably doesn't match it. We're going to have to either take some massive compensation hits or have them hanging around doing fck all. Don't see most of them getting another game this season. Now if we'd drawn some minnows in the Cup it might be different.

 

Not strictly true. Chaplow at least is great for the local economy around Southampton. Young lad getting big money with loads of time on his hands to buy loads of Costa coffee's, Nandos and go to the cinema all of the time. What's good for the city is good for the club IMO.

[Saint Charlie]

Not strictly true. Chaplow at least is great for the local economy around Southampton. Young lad getting big money with loads of time on his hands to buy loads of Costa coffee's, Nandos and go to the cinema all of the time. What's good for the city is good for the club IMO.

 

Good for the County but not the City because he lives, breathes and shops in Winchester.

[SuperMikey]

Well, I rate Martin. Unfortunately if we're going to be bringing in players like Astori then Aaron's days are numbered here. Will be a good Champ CB in a few years though.

[Winchester Red]

This place is amazing

 

In one thread we have an opp asking why no central defenders come through and in another we are writing off another at, what, 20? Less?

 

How many prem (or even Champ) teams have 20 year old central defenders?

 

People are doing the same with Gazza in goal - not good enough, stupid mistakes, useless....

 

Give me strength

[Window Cleaner]

This place is amazing

 

In one thread we have an opp asking why no central defenders come through and in another we are writing off another at, what, 20? Less?

 

How many prem (or even Champ) teams have 20 year old central defenders?

 

People are doing the same with Gazza in goal - not good enough, stupid mistakes, useless....

 

Give me strength

 

 

Martin is 23 +, he's not a young player and he's had more than enough chance to prove himself to Nigel who clearly isn't a fan.

[egg]

Martin is 23 +, he's not a young player and he's had more than enough chance to prove himself to Nigel who clearly isn't a fan.

 

He's a player who until a couple of years ago was playing part time in the Conference South. In his first year as a pro he looked half decent in the championship. We then got promoted and as a novice he found himself a player on the books a Premier League but himself not yet ready to be a Premier league player.

 

The decision to loan him out to get games at championsip level was a good one. If he got the time he may have shown enough improvement to add something to our squad, or alternatively improved in value and moved on. As it was he hasn't got the games which is a shame.

 

To judge him based on his age alone is wrong. He's an inexperienced pro and still only 23. For me I think he has a future as a decent championship player, and with games could possibly make the grade at the top level.

[Greenridge]

Martin is 23 +, he's not a young player and he's had more than enough chance to prove himself to Nigel who clearly isn't a fan.

 

In his defence he came to the professional game relatively late in life so is behind in that respect and in his time in the pro ranks he's not had that much game time. Think he could do a solid job for someone but not in the Prem, certainly at this point in time.

[Window Cleaner]

In his defence he came to the professional game relatively late in life so is behind in that respect and in his time in the pro ranks he's not had that much game time. Think he could do a solid job for someone but not in the Prem, certainly at this point in time.

 

I don't care, he's not good enough now, nor will he be at any time in the near future. I think many of us have a totally erroneous idea of what it takes to be a footballer in the EPL. Couldn't cut it at Palarse so they've turfed him out, too much for too little.. No future with us either.

[Greenridge]

Have you got a broken finger?

[Window Cleaner]

Have you got a broken finger?

 

dodgy wireless keyboard, works about half of the time. Knew I should get one with a cable.

[david in sweden]

I don't care, he's not good enough now, nor will he be at any time in the near future. I think many of us have a totally erroneous idea of what it takes to be a footballer in the EPL. Couldn't cut it at Palarse so they've turfed him out, too much for too little.. No future with us either.

 

I admit it might seem that way on the face of it, but the fact that he didn't cut it with Palace doesn't mean that he's no good . A manager plays his favourites..and look who they have for manager now.

 

It will take Aaron a while to get himself upto the " Saints-fitness " level, especially as he hasn't played so much since August. No manager wants to be reliant on a loan player who can be recalled and that maybe behind the reasoning for his lack of game time, and tbf ..I don't think Palace saw themselves as title challengers in August, and certainly not based on last years form.

 

Nearly all our players had Championship experience as their highest level up until last season, and it was clear that no-one was likely to displace Fonte or Jos last season, but he did look very useful when he came in for the injured Fonte a year ago, made a dozen of so games .and scored twice. I don't think I'd rule Aaron out without seeing him play a bit - even coming off the bench.

If we're keeping Jos then we must surely give Aaron a new chance...he still young enough to develop. I'd hate to see him disappear, and turn up in a year or two... as another Mills, Monk or Williamson.

[david in sweden]

He's a player who until a couple of years ago was playing part time in the Conference South. In his first year as a pro he looked half decent in the championship. We then got promoted and as a novice he found himself a player on the books a Premier League but himself not yet ready to be a Premier league player.

 

The decision to loan him out to get games at championsip level was a good one. If he got the time he may have shown enough improvement to add something to our squad, or alternatively improved in value and moved on. As it was he hasn't got the games which is a shame.

 

To judge him based on his age alone is wrong. He's an inexperienced pro and still only 23. For me I think he has a future as a decent championship player, and with games could possibly make the grade at the top level.

 

 

+ agree totally. As a CB he doesn't have to be at his peak when only aged 23........yes, he needs games .....and another loan out where he will play every week might be just the ticket !

[Window Cleaner]

I admit it might seem that way on the face of it, but the fact that he didn't cut it with Palace doesn't mean that he's no good . A manager plays his favourites..and look who they have for manager now.

 

It will take Aaron a while to get himself upto the " Saints-fitness " level, especially as he hasn't played so much since August. No manager wants to be reliant on a loan player who can be recalled and that maybe behind the reasoning for his lack of game time, and tbf ..I don't think Palace saw themselves as title challengers in August, and certainly not based on last years form.

 

Nearly all our players had Championship experience as their highest level up until last season, and it was clear that no-one was likely to displace Fonte or Jos last season, but he did look very useful when he came in for the injured Fonte a year ago, made a dozen of so games .and scored twice. I don't think I'd rule Aaron out without seeing him play a bit - even coming off the bench.

If we're keeping Jos then we must surely give Aaron a new chance...he still young enough to develop. I'd hate to see him disappear, and turn up in a year or two... as another Mills, Monk or Williamson.

 

Normally he wouldn't have been recalled, his loan was for the whole season. Palarse were no doubt paying him a lot of money for little return so they "mutually terminated" his loan. We certainly don't need him, nor would we recall him in my opinion.

[VectisSaint]

Martin is 23 +, he's not a young player and he's had more than enough chance to prove himself to Nigel who clearly isn't a fan.

On what basis? If he wasn't a fan why did he allow Martin to sign a new 3 year contract at the beginning of the 2011-12 season, when he had clearly seen enough of him during his year in charge. Then he played him 17 times during the Champ season (including cup games). Martin looked decent certainly good enough for the Championship and was a more than adequate stand-in for Jos or Jose when needed. Of course lacks experience, but for a CB 23 is still young. Needs some regular game time, no idea what went wrong at Palace, but for whatever reason his face did not fit. Think he may still have a future with Saints in the longer term, and is certainly a better CB than Seaborne will ever be (in my opinion). I guess he will go out on loan again when a suitable club is found, then we will see what becomes of him next season (depending of course where we are).

[Window Cleaner]

On what basis? If he wasn't a fan why did he allow Martin to sign a new 3 year contract at the beginning of the 2011-12 season, when he had clearly seen enough of him during his year in charge. Then he played him 17 times during the Champ season (including cup games). Martin looked decent certainly good enough for the Championship and was a more than adequate stand-in for Jos or Jose when needed. Of course lacks experience, but for a CB 23 is still young. Needs some regular game time, no idea what went wrong at Palace, but for whatever reason his face did not fit. Think he may still have a future with Saints in the longer term, and is certainly a better CB than Seaborne will ever be (in my opinion). I guess he will go out on loan again when a suitable club is found, then we will see what becomes of him next season (depending of course where we are).

 

We bought Jos to replace Martin, thus he wasn't first choice beyond that point. That's pretty obvious really.

[david in sweden]

Normally he wouldn't have been recalled, his loan was for the whole season. Palarse were no doubt paying him a lot of money for little return so they "mutually terminated" his loan. We certainly don't need him, nor would we recall him in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

..........for whatever reason, he is better off being back here --even temporarily---until we can help plan his future. He is an SFC employee, and needs to be playing " somewhere "-(if not here at the moment)

[david in sweden]

We bought Jos to replace Martin, thus he wasn't first choice beyond that point. That's pretty obvious really.

 

...we bought Jos to replace Seaborne, a sensible move for a team going for promotion.....and it was clear that though promising, Martin wasn't ready for a regular first team spot then (or now).

[Thedelldays]

...we bought Jos to replace Seaborne, a sensible move for a team going for promotion.....and it was clear that though promising, Martin wasn't ready for a regular first team spot then (or now).

martin will never play for us in the premier league....so adkins does not rate him that much

i doubt martin will ever play for the 1st team again...so it matters not who was brought in to replace who

 

I know it is a sin to think some of our younger players are not as good as the hype..but martin is a victim of our quick success...

 

good luck to him

[david in sweden]

martin will never play for us in the premier league....so adkins does not rate him that much

i doubt martin will ever play for the 1st team again...so it matters not who was brought in to replace who. I know it is a sin to think some of our younger players are not as good as the hype..but martin is a victim of our quick success... good luck to him

 

aa!... you obviously know better than the rest of us TDD. My crystal ball is at the cleaners.......

[Thedelldays]

aa!... you obviously know better than the rest of us TDD. My crystal ball is at the cleaners.......

he wont..otherwise we wont be about to (reportedly) spend shy of £10m on an italian international CB....that would put martin 5, maybe even 6th choice..

 

will never get a game in the prem for us...

[Greenridge]

I know it is a sin to think some of our younger players are not as good as the hype..but martin is a victim of our quick success...

 

I don't believe there is any 'hype' whatsoever. He is what he is, a player taken from non-league football and given a chance. Given more time and games he may well go on to make a decent career for himself. I doubt anyone thought he would be the next Bobby Moore.

[S-Clarke]

Didn't really happen for him there did it? Shame.

 

If I'm honest he's a squad player at Championship level, no more than that. Probably a starter for a lower championship side.

[egg]

On what basis? If he wasn't a fan why did he allow Martin to sign a new 3 year contract at the beginning of the 2011-12 season, when he had clearly seen enough of him during his year in charge).

 

It's a decent little contract too and gave him a massive payrise on his initial contract. It was also an incremental contract which put his weekly wage up by a lot after 10 appearances, then 20 etc. He was given the contract, then the games, so is/was rated.

[ottery st mary]

Get him a loan asap and hopefully at his level...

 

Thought he was ok and developing.

 

Not all his fault re Palace......

 

Club will give the lad a chance on loan and see if he turns it round..

 

Hope he has another good crack....

 

Good luck to the lad....You never know...he might be back one day:)

[derry]

Good tackler, fearless decent header, poor distribution, no left foot. needs to join a club at a level where he can play regularly.

[VectisSaint]

We bought Jos to replace Martin, thus he wasn't first choice beyond that point. That's pretty obvious really.

No we didn't. We signed Jos on loan on 31 Aug 11 because we were desperately short of CBs (1 experienced and 2 youngsters). Bloody good job we did as well otherwise we would have been ****ged. For 1 whole day we had 4, and then Seaborne suffered his injury so we were back to 3 again. We bought Jos 3 months later after he had proved he was a decent CB. From that point on Aaron was 3rd choice CB and played frequently and was very effective when called upon by NA.

[krissyboy31]

He's a player who until a couple of years ago was playing part time in the Conference South. In his first year as a pro he looked half decent in the championship. We then got promoted and as a novice he found himself a player on the books a Premier League but himself not yet ready to be a Premier league player.

 

The decision to loan him out to get games at championsip level was a good one. If he got the time he may have shown enough improvement to add something to our squad, or alternatively improved in value and moved on. As it was he hasn't got the games which is a shame.

 

To judge him based on his age alone is wrong. He's an inexperienced pro and still only 23. For me I think he has a future as a decent championship player, and with games could possibly make the grade at the top level.

 

This, although I'm not 100% sure I agree with the very last point.

[The9]

Can't see Martin getting a game for Saints in the league until he gets some more experience lower down, he's been unlucky that Palace have been so much better all around than last season so he hasn't been as involved as we'd have expected.

 

He has limitations but he doesn't seem to be any worse than, say, Alex Pearce at Reading, who is purely about hoofs and headers and can't pass 5 yards.

[david in sweden]

he wont..otherwise we wont be about to (reportedly) spend shy of £10m on an italian international CB....that would put martin 5, maybe even 6th choice..

 

will never get a game in the prem for us...

 

well...certainly not THIS season, but he needs games in order to mature (most likely another loan-out) ....and then ...who knows?

 

Does your crystal ball tell us if we'll be in the Prem. next season ?

[david in sweden]

He's a player who until a couple of years ago was playing part time in the Conference South. In his first year as a pro he looked half decent in the championship. We then got promoted and as a novice he found himself a player on the books a Premier League but himself not yet ready to be a Premier league player.

 

The decision to loan him out to get games at championsip level was a good one. If he got the time he may have shown enough improvement to add something to our squad, or alternatively improved in value and moved on. As it was he hasn't got the games which is a shame. To judge him based on his age alone is wrong.

 

He's an inexperienced pro and still only 23. For me I think he has a future as a decent championship player, and with games could possibly make the grade at the top level.

 

 

 

I agree with most of that EGG, centre-halves (like goalies) don't begin to mature until they are nearing 30.

 

Look at some of those who we didn't have the patience to retain from past years; Garry Monk (200+ games for Swansea).....Mike Willamson (Newcastle) and Matt Mills (wherever he is now)?

Edited 5 January, 2013 by david in sweden

[Tamesaint]

well...certainly not THIS season, but he needs games in order to mature (most likely another loan-out) ....and then ...who knows?

 

Does your crystal ball tell us if we'll be in the Prem. next season ?

 

Dont ask about Delldays's crystal ball. It must be the most cloudy, useless bit of kit ever invented.

 

Adkins was being sacked in October according to him.After the second game of the season Adkins was a deadman walking. Previous versions of the model had us languishing in League 1 and then the Championship for longer than we did. Whoever supplies him with crystal balls needs to find another job.

 

Unfortunately TDD does not realise that his ball is useless and spouts so much rubbish based upon it.

[PhilippineSaint]

Dont ask about Delldays's crystal ball. It must be the most cloudy, useless bit of kit ever invented.

 

Adkins was being sacked in October according to him.After the second game of the season Adkins was a deadman walking. Previous versions of the model had us languishing in League 1 and then the Championship for longer than we did. Whoever supplies him with crystal balls needs to find another job.

 

Unfortunately TDD does not realise that his ball is useless and spouts so much rubbish based upon it.

 

As we all know TDD worked on the Nuclear Subs so obviously his crystal balls have been irradiated and are now completely useless.

[Saint Garrett]

@SouthamptonFC: Defender Aaron Martin has joined npower League 1 side @Coventry_City on loan until the end of the season: http://t.co/mCHMz9og7I #saintsfc

 

Lets hope he is playing every week there. More his level.

[saints-cris]

Good move for him

[jam]

Dont ask about Delldays's crystal ball. It must be the most cloudy, useless bit of kit ever invented.

 

Adkins was being sacked in October according to him.After the second game of the season Adkins was a deadman walking. Previous versions of the model had us languishing in League 1 and then the Championship for longer than we did. Whoever supplies him with crystal balls needs to find another job.

 

Unfortunately TDD does not realise that his ball is useless and spouts so much rubbish based upon it.

 

Yup, complete rubbish. The fact that NC replaced Adkins with what seems like the first available and suitable candidate makes TheDellDays look like a complete knob.

[Andre]

Good move, wish him all the best but he shouldn't come back this time!