SuperSAINT Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 LOL @ people thinking this wouldn't be a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 It's all about small steps, and if we're going to turn into this mega club (Which i'm not even going to get into on here) then we'll need the occasional help from a current top 4 club, because they have much better players than we could attract oursevles. That's the whole point. This isn't anything like Falque really, De Bruyne has been proven at international and CL level for a season already. He's top class and well beyond what we could current attract in terms of a full transfer. But there is nothing different in it from the way all clubs whose owners have a bit of an inferiority complex would do it. You may accuse NC of many things but not for having an inferiority complex. I don't think he'd contemplate it. So far he, with it must be said an excellent helping hand from NA, have produced two promotions on the bounce. I don't think he has gotten to the PL to struggle, and like most successful executives he has got complete belief in his plan. Would I take KdB on loan? I think that I may get swayed to do it. I reckon that is one of the differences between me and NC. - This is what I think NC will do, and has nothing to do with my appreciation of KdB. I still think the drooling messages on this board about Falque is worth contemplating as comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 LOL @ people thinking this wouldn't be a good idea I'm losing the will to live tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Is he hungry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 But there is nothing different in it from the way all clubs whose owners have a bit of an inferiority complex would do it. You may accuse NC of many things but not for having an inferiority complex. I don't think he'd contemplate it. So far he, with it must be said an excellent helping hand from NA, have produced two promotions on the bounce. I don't think he has gotten to the PL to struggle, and like most successful executives he has got complete belief in his plan. Would I take KdB on loan? I think that I may get swayed to do it. I reckon that is one of the differences between me and NC. - This is what I think NC will do, and has nothing to do with my appreciation of KdB. I still think the drooling messages on this board about Falque is worth contemplating as comparison. If he turns down the chance to bring in De Bryune then he's an idiot, because we won't attract any better for a transfer fee. That's all I'm trying to get at, if we want to have a good season next year then we need to get in good players - and De Bryune is a good player and better than we could attract ourselves. Spurs borrow from the top 4 clubs...it happens, and will always happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 I don't believe you need to worry too much, a good player but no where near the hype being thrown at him. When he signed for Chelsea in January, he was told he was staying in Belguim for the rest of the season, then being loaned else where for the following season, without even a sniff at the Chelsea first team. Magical right foot that likes to cut in from the left side (we'll have to play him alongside Lallana and forget about defending that side), Not so clever if shown down the line or starting on the right, but does have some very good close control. I can see him scoring a couple of wonder goals in the Premier, then just being shepherded into mediocrity there after. I am pretty sure Chelsea would love him to come to us, but I cannot see it making any sense at all unless it is with an option to buy. If we buy J Rod I see very little sense in a loan for Saints and goes directly against everything we are trying to do. What would make sense is having him as an option if the J Rod deal were to fall through. Thanks, I started to feel a bit lonely here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 If he turns down the chance to bring in De Bryune then he's an idiot, because we won't attract any better for a transfer fee. That's all I'm trying to get at, if we want to have a good season next year then we need to get in good players - and De Bryune is a good player and better than we could attract ourselves. Spurs borrow from the top 4 clubs...it happens, and will always happen. Idiot he isn't, and loans between PL clubs is a comparatively new thing. Bringing in a loanee to push another player out of the team, and then for him to wave goodbye in the end of the season is really poor for the team building aspect. It brings us close to the usual culture of a bunch of individuals, possibly talented, but not playing much like a team. Is NA going to want that even if NC does? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 But there is nothing different in it from the way all clubs whose owners have a bit of an inferiority complex would do it. You may accuse NC of many things but not for having an inferiority complex. I don't think he'd contemplate it. So far he, with it must be said an excellent helping hand from NA, have produced two promotions on the bounce. I don't think he has gotten to the PL to struggle, and like most successful executives he has got complete belief in his plan. Would I take KdB on loan? I think that I may get swayed to do it. I reckon that is one of the differences between me and NC. - This is what I think NC will do, and has nothing to do with my appreciation of KdB. I still think the drooling messages on this board about Falque is worth contemplating as comparison. It's not an inferiority complex if you are actually inferior. Chelsea are the current champions of Europe, and have just paid £32m for the most highly lauded young player in Europe to play on the same wing as de Bruyne. Getting loans from Chelsea would be a sign of ambition for a newly promoted club, not a sign of meek submission to the way-things-have-always-been-done. We took loans in League 1 and we took loans in the Championship, so I see nothing in the 'Southampton Way' that would preclude us taking loans in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Never heard of him Sign him up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Idiot he isn't, and loans between PL clubs is a comparatively new thing. Bringing in a loanee to push another player out of the team, and then for him to wave goodbye in the end of the season is really poor for the team building aspect. It brings us close to the usual culture of a bunch of individuals, possibly talented, but not playing much like a team. Is NA going to want that even if NC does? I doubt it. Totally agree.. will be interesting to see if we go down the 'One season loan and wave goodbye' approach as it does not lend itself to a team culture although potentially beneficial in the short term. However, only an idiot will call NC/NA an idiot as we don't know how good this Guy is - unless people on here travel Europe scouting for our next superstar ?. I suspect its the 'played top level so must be good syndrome' - a la Kalou-less topic on here recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Yes, because Sturridge did really badly for Bolton the season before last... I think the point being made there was how well he did for them this season in comparison. i.e. they got relegated, no doubt partly due to missing the loanee from the season before (though they lost Johan Elmander as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Totally agree.. will be interesting to see if we go down the 'One season loan and wave goodbye' approach as it does not lend itself to a team culture although potentially beneficial in the short term. However, only an idiot will call NC/NA an idiot as we don't know how good this Guy is - unless people on here travel Europe scouting for our next superstar ?. I suspect its the 'played top level so must be good syndrome' - a la Kalou-less topic on here recently. Regardless of what posters on here think will or won't happen for Saints over the next few years, the reality is that next season, our single biggest objective next season is to avoid relegation. If we can bring in quality players that help us acheive that, it would be hard to argue against it. It's NA's job to make sure that doesn't harm the team spirit and to date he seems to have excelled in this department. Additionally, having players of this quality will help attract other quality players and our own players stand a much better chance of improving their own games and abilities by playing and training with better players. Back to back promotions have gone to some peoples heads. We really are still "Little old Southampton" and whatever we go on to acheive, it won't be overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 While we are there can we borrow Lukaku Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 I'm not sure we'd want Lukaku and his superstar attitude disrupting stuff. Perfectly possible we could get De Bruyne, Chelsea loaned Fabio Borini to (Championship) Swansea which helped get them promoted, and he's made 25 appearances for Roma this season and is in the Italy squad for the Euros, so he's no mug and Chelsea weren't able to hold onto him. Though weirdly, he signed for Parma who also loaned him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Regardless of what posters on here think will or won't happen for Saints over the next few years, the reality is that next season, our single biggest objective next season is to avoid relegation. If we can bring in quality players that help us acheive that, it would be hard to argue against it. It's NA's job to make sure that doesn't harm the team spirit and to date he seems to have excelled in this department. Additionally, having players of this quality will help attract other quality players and our own players stand a much better chance of improving their own games and abilities by playing and training with better players. Back to back promotions have gone to some peoples heads. We really are still "Little old Southampton" and whatever we go on to acheive, it won't be overnight. The team spirit thing is great, but how long's it going to last if we're not winning most of the time ? It's much easier to manage winning teams than it is continually re-motivate losing ones. I'm not suggesting we dump the basic ethos though, it seems to have done well for us to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Frankly, I know nothing about this young Chelsea reserve that's played in Belgium and to the best of my knowledge I've never seen him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Regardless of what posters on here think will or won't happen for Saints over the next few years, the reality is that next season, our single biggest objective next season is to avoid relegation. If we can bring in quality players that help us acheive that, it would be hard to argue against it. It's NA's job to make sure that doesn't harm the team spirit and to date he seems to have excelled in this department. Additionally, having players of this quality will help attract other quality players and our own players stand a much better chance of improving their own games and abilities by playing and training with better players. Back to back promotions have gone to some peoples heads. We really are still "Little old Southampton" and whatever we go on to acheive, it won't be overnight. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 As great as this would be, it is very unlikely to happen. Seems to have come from a rumours round up in the sun ffs. I'm happy to be proven wrong but this is clearly going to be one of those rumours that gets out of hand and is used as proof we can't attract top players when he signs for someone else, despite the fact we were probably never interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Whoops, are we comparing Kevin de Bruyn with Carlos Tevez now? Apart from that I think there were plans for buying CT, although I must admit I don't follow them, so I don't know for sure. Not comparing players as such but I am making the point that even top teams LOAN players from time to time. He was my example. Are we clear now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Him and Lee would be amazing, pace, flair and KDB would feed off Lee's off the ball movement. Things could be very good next season indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 As great as this would be, it is very unlikely to happen. Seems to have come from a rumours round up in the sun ffs. I'm happy to be proven wrong but this is clearly going to be one of those rumours that gets out of hand and is used as proof we can't attract top players when he signs for someone else, despite the fact we were probably never interested. This could easily happen, because Chelsea told him as much before he signed the contract. The next question is how good is this 20 year old who will not get a look at the first team for 18 months? Looking back through the highlights from his club games makes me believe Chelsea have this about right. Full of possible promise but in no ways nailed until he becomes a far more complete player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Regardless of what posters on here think will or won't happen for Saints over the next few years, the reality is that next season, our single biggest objective next season is to avoid relegation. If we can bring in quality players that help us acheive that, it would be hard to argue against it. It's NA's job to make sure that doesn't harm the team spirit and to date he seems to have excelled in this department. Additionally, having players of this quality will help attract other quality players and our own players stand a much better chance of improving their own games and abilities by playing and training with better players. Back to back promotions have gone to some peoples heads. We really are still "Little old Southampton" and whatever we go on to acheive, it won't be overnight. I'd be very dissappointed and worried if thats the limit of our ambitions - aiming for mediocrity is a sure fire way to fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 He reminds me of Steven Gerrard in that video at the start of this thread. I'd take him, based on the 2 mins 51 secs I've seen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Saints sign anyone of note before August ? Your avin' a laff ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Idiot he isn't, and loans between PL clubs is a comparatively new thing. Bringing in a loanee to push another player out of the team, and then for him to wave goodbye in the end of the season is really poor for the team building aspect. It brings us close to the usual culture of a bunch of individuals, possibly talented, but not playing much like a team. Is NA going to want that even if NC does? I doubt it. We dont have anyone near good enough to play down the right in the Prem - at times we really struggled there this season - so de Bruyne would hardly be pushing anyone out. The way i see it is that he is a talented youngster who would add a lot to the team - if Chelsea will let us take him, we'd be mad not too. And if it doesnt work out, we can send him back. We would be unlikely to sign someone as highly rated as him on a permanent deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 Saints sign anyone of note before August ? Your avin' a laff ! Christ are you still going on.....yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 June, 2012 Share Posted 6 June, 2012 The objective will be set by Cortese and Adkins. We'll see whether they choose to share that with us. Last season they revealed during the season that the aim was to go up, or actually win the thing. It had always been the aim. Whether that was too ambitious to be thinking that way last summer is up for debate, but it worked out. But still some people said 'our aim is to finish mid-table' or 'we are just consolidating', completely ignoring what those setting the objectives had stated. I must have missed something if the objective has been set at avoiding relegation. It might be the minimum expectation and the least any fan would hope for, but I find it likely Cortese and Adkins are aiming and planning for higher than that. Indeed. I'd be surprised if Cortese wasn't setting a target of a top 8 finish for next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Indeed. I'd be surprised if Cortese wasn't setting a target of a top 8 finish for next season... I don't believe for one moment that the traditional 4th from bottom finish is the limit of this clubs Premier League ambitions. However wanting something and getting it are different things unfortunately and it doesn't take the insight of a footballing genius to see that our current defence is nowhere near good enough to allow us to dream of top 8. Norwich & Swansea last season prove that no newly promoted club need consider itself a lost cause, but to give us a decent chance of a respectable mid-table finish methinks the Don is going to have to spend in the region of £20m on players this summer .. oh and sign talent like this De Bruyne lad on loan if at all possible. For a club of our size is that level of spending either advisable or even feasible ? A tall order in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Morgan Schneiderlin said not long ago in a French paper that the chairman had told the players that they were aiming for a top 10 finish. Would imagine that you would have to spend a lot to get there in our 1st season back in the premier ligue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Morgan Schneiderlin said not long ago in a French paper that the chairman had told the players that they were aiming for a top 10 finish. Would imagine that you would have to spend a lot to get there in our 1st season back in the premier ligue Probably thinks football is easy! Hes had it his own way so far and not spend to big, might think that will continue! Him and Adkins have no prem experience so a good test for both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 BelgoFoot: De Bruyne's agent Patrick De Koster says no contact with Southampton. Lille, Twente, Hoffenheim & Wolfsburg said to be keen @VoetbalPrimeurB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 I don't believe for one moment that the traditional 4th from bottom finish is the limit of this clubs Premier League ambitions. However wanting something and getting it are different things unfortunately and it doesn't take the insight of a footballing genius to see that our current defence is nowhere near good enough to allow us to dream of top 8. Norwich & Swansea last season prove that no newly promoted club need consider itself a lost cause, but to give us a decent chance of a respectable mid-table finish methinks the Don is going to have to spend in the region of £20m on players this summer .. oh and sign talent like this De Bruyne lad on loan if at all possible. For a club of our size is that level of spending either advisable or even feasible ? A tall order in any case. I'm fairly confident we'll spend nearer £20m than, say, £10m this summer. Nothing scientific to base that on really, just a hunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 This whole loan business puzzles me. Going out on loan is an euphemism for "He isn't as good as we thought he was so let's see if he will respond to a different manager and set-up (mugs) so that we can off-load him at the end of the season" If you disagree, think back to last year and that Spurs "highly rated whizz" (name escapes me) who played for us only once and then disappeared without trace. Is he now playing for Spurs? Is he Ballacks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 As far as kids go, I disagree completely. Some don't make the grade but the like of Cork and Guthrie did just fine with us. Not sure about the situation when a big club has spent a fortune on someone (ie, Lukaku). Could be the Director of Football / Transfer Committee (gulp) have sanctioned a purchase the manager didn't fancy and never will do, so put him out on loan. Could be the manager will be gone by the end of the season anyway (AVB) I see season long loans as no different to a one year permanent deal with no sell on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 (edited) This whole loan business puzzles me. Going out on loan is an euphemism for "He isn't as good as we thought he was so let's see if he will respond to a different manager and set-up (mugs) so that we can off-load him at the end of the season" If you disagree, think back to last year and that Spurs "highly rated whizz" (name escapes me) who played for us only once and then disappeared without trace. Is he now playing for Spurs? Is he Ballacks! To be fair to Yago (Iago) Falque, he was a season long loan from January, so we wasn't able to play for Spurs even if they had wanted him to. Not sure how he's meant to have played for Spurs since the end of the season exactly ? Also, Spurs had him on loan from Juve for the first half of the season and only signed him permanently the day before he left to play for us, so I'm not sure how that fits with your "last chance saloon" theory, he'd been with them for under one day. In fact, you couldn't have chosen a worse example. Edited 7 June, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Frankly, I know nothing about this young Chelsea reserve that's played in Belgium and to the best of my knowledge I've never seen him play. Well I think everyone should read this post as it adds so much to the discussion. I must remember to add my comments to all the other threads upon which I have no opinion - just for balance you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Well I think everyone should read this post as it adds so much to the discussion. I must remember to add my comments to all the other threads upon which I have no opinion - just for balance you understand. I'm making a point but you've failed to understand. I won't patronise you by spelling it out but here's a clue - it was just for balance you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Getting in young players on loan like Miyachi, De bruyne, McCreachan, and Guidetti would add to the depth and quality in our squad - but as they are all under 21 they wouldn't take up vital places in our 25 man squad. Plus we're probably not going to be forking out large transfer fees or heavy wages for them either. So in my book it makes sense - as long as that's not the only route we take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 @Fourth_Official: Southampton are closing in on signing Chelsea's Kevin de Bruyne on a season long loan #Saintsfc #CFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Really don't know what to make of Fourth Official, he half spouts some absolute crap. Alot of it just seems to be based on newspapers, and rumour sites - but they type it up in a way that makes it look like 'they' know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Yea they pretty much just pick up on rumours already circulating. But no smoke without fire and all that..... But probably just bull**** agent talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 June, 2012 Share Posted 7 June, 2012 Yea they pretty much just pick up on rumours already circulating. But no smoke without fire and all that..... But probably just bull**** agent talk. To be fair, a few Chelsea fans were already reporting this on twitter before he did. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 8 June, 2012 Share Posted 8 June, 2012 Well loans are good for getting younger players experience. It's a risk bit at the end of the day if he flops we can just give him back. If he excels then we get the best of him for a season. It's ok for us to loan out youngsters....but not the other way round it seems. Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Randell Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Fourth official seems pretty confident on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Fourth official seems pretty confident on this one... Fourth official is a total moron who is about ITK as the dead slug on my front driveway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Fourth official is a total moron who is about ITK as the dead slug on my front driveway. Does the dead slug have a Twitter account? If not, get him signed up pronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Love how the other Twitter Slug agent_itk has gone quiet after saying earlier today that Jay Rodriguez definitely wouldn't be signing for Saints today...hate how people just believe people without checking out if they have any credibility. Fourth Official is just across loads of twitter feeds and fan sites to get news before its officially announced which seems ITK to most people, but a lot of it never happens or was so bleeding obvious. Imagine De Bruyne will play part of pre season at least with Chelsea and they will assess their squad before loaning him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Love how the other Twitter Slug agent_itk has gone quiet after saying earlier today that Jay Rodriguez definitely wouldn't be signing for Saints today...hate how people just believe people without checking out if they have any credibility. Fourth Official is just across loads of twitter feeds and fan sites to get news before its officially announced which seems ITK to most people, but a lot of it never happens or was so bleeding obvious. Imagine De Bruyne will play part of pre season at least with Chelsea and they will assess their squad before loaning him out. Why would he waste his time like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Fourth Official is a group of people, all Everton, not one person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 10 June, 2012 Share Posted 10 June, 2012 Fourth Official is a group of people, all Everton, not one person. One of which is a football agent. In fact he is Danny Fox's agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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